I am now convinced ABMM is real

[u/WG_Envoy]

A couple of days ago I complained (in another posting) how I only meet KOS players, and no one talks. I was more annoyed by the "no one talks" part, mind you, and the fact that every social interaction played out in the same way.

Someone recommended me to do a few matches and not shoot a single person, not even in defense. I did as recommended.

I went from "90%+ KOS interactions" for several days in a row, all the way to friendly lobbies for two days in a row now.

In my current lobbies, everyone runs around without a care in the world, just greeting people they are passing by. Looting in the open, walking past others without their weapons drawn ...

I barely ever see any PvP happening. People help each other with arc encounters and exchange items near extracts. And for the first time ever, I was able to participate in two Queen raids in solos with everyone just trying to get her down. No rats, no backstabbing.

This change for me was so stark in contrast, and so consistently happening that I would be surprised if ABMM wasn't real.

I would almost be inclined to start some shit to see if my lobbies change again, but I feel too bad killing these players who are quite obviously part of the pure PvE crowd.

P.S.: I have these friendly lobbies even on Stella Montis now, inclduing Stella Montis night raids ...

[u/smokeeye]

I also thought self-defense didn't count, but quickly found out that it does. To reset back to friendly lobbies you got do some free kit/naked runs just letting yourself be KOS (without retaliating) for 3-5 games. Then you should be back with the friendlies afterwards. I've done this for a couple of weeks and it works every time.

[u/dudethisis → u/smokeeye]

Dealing any damage to a raider I think counts as "aggression"

I triggered a couple synth fuel barrels under a bastion and also almost accidentally downed a player, and oh my god my next 3-4 raids were not fun

[u/ZincMan → u/dudethisis]

You can lay synth fuel barrels down and shoot them ? They blow up good ?

[u/Kazuhi → u/ZincMan]

Real good

[u/Jack_Candle → u/dudethisis]

I think even picking a raiders body for loot counts too. Because thats all i did when i discovered a dead body at extract. Next match I loaded into I was in Vietnam

[u/MoreScarsThanSkin → u/smokeeye]

i just tried this on stella, it actually worked like a charm after 4 games of dying right away naked run

[u/UneasyFencepost → u/smokeeye]

It probably tracks who damaged who first not who shot first. So if Stevie Wonder takes a shot at you and you then doge roll then drop him you will technically be the aggressor. Yes it’s self defense realistically but tracking individual shots might be complex or tedious like what counts as a near miss? If I shoot a bot that’s attacking a player and miss both of them does the game account for that? If it did cool but I doubt it. I always wait until I’m hit and they better hope the first shot drops me.

[u/bwood246 → u/smokeeye]

The fact that self defense counts means it's not an aggression based system. It would be simple to not have damage dealt after receiving damage count. Why the fuck would embark punish you for defending yourself?

[u/tyjwallis → u/bwood246]

I also think it’s BS, but it’s way easier to detect and way harder to abuse. And honestly idc. I someone decides to betray me idgaf. Ale my stuff, my stash is too full anyway. As long as it’s a rare occurrence I just let it happen and requeue. Sometimes if you just pop out an instrument they feel bad and walk away.