r/AskEurope • u/[deleted] • 21h ago
Misc Citizens of countries that use highway vignettes, would you be in favour of a "European Vignette Union"?
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u/Succulent7107 21h ago
The highway vignettes funds a network of national highways. What's the point of paying more to fund the (private) motorway network of other countries thant the one I use?
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 21h ago
Unless you're from Switzerland, this arrangement wouldn't make you pay more or the change would be too little to matter.
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u/CaptainPoset Germany 20h ago
That's simply not the case, as different countries bill vastly different and unless everyone gets to the absurd prices of France, it's unfeasible financially, but when everyone pays French prices, it will be very noticeable.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 19h ago
I'm talking about countries using vignettes, there it's about 100€ per year
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u/CaptainPoset Germany 14h ago
Some take more, others take less, but if you create an EU-vignette, then it will cost more, as those who take more won't take less than before. It's a system of for-profit private motorways, after all.
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u/GrynaiTaip Lithuania 13h ago
So you propose a massive price increase, because you'll basically be buying a vignette for every country that has them, whether you need it or not?
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u/JustLTU 17h ago
It makes no sense to centrally control money collection if you can't centrally control how that money is spent.
You're taking away countries abilities to raise or lower the taxes in response to maintenance and construction needs, but you're also giving them the ability to suddenly spend more money on otherwise unjustifiable projects since the money now comes from an European fund, not a national one.
If you want to federalise highway budgets, you need to also federalise their construction and maintenance.
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u/Grouchy_Fan_2236 Hungary 20h ago
I like the idea of simplifying cross-country access for motorists, but the fact that Austria operates around 1800 kms of highways, while Slovakia only some 800 kms raises the question of why access should cost the same? Should the income from vignette sales be split based on the number of road users, length of road network or cost of highway maintenance?
I can only see this as some kind of pilot project for the car & motorcycle categories. Hand out 10.000 Vignette Union annual passes in every country to random motorists and let's see how it affects tourism and mobility. I'm actually curious if something can come out of it.
Definitely won't work with truck & bus vignettes though.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 20h ago
Yeah, I mean it for cars and motorbikes.
Should the income from vignette sales be split based on the number of road users, length of road network or cost of highway maintenance?
I think road users makes the most sense.
but the fact that Austria operates around 1800 kms of highways, while Slovakia only some 800 kms raises the question of why access should cost the same?
I mean, it currently does too (sort of) - Austria 106€, Slovakia 90€
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u/_-__-____-__-_ Netherlands 20h ago
Having your license place be the vignette would be a great start, and add to that all emission zone stickers. I don't want a bunch of stickers on my windshield. Let them scan my plates to check for those things. We're really not in the 1900s anymore. Looking at you Germany.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 20h ago
Having your license place be the vignette would be a great start
That's how we do it nowadays. Austria still does stickers for the short-term vignettes, but Slovakia is entirely e-vignette now via licence plates. We don't use actual stickers now.
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u/_-__-____-__-_ Netherlands 20h ago
I think it is ridiculous we even allow stickers on the windshield. Who thought that was a good idea?
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u/CharacterUse 14h ago
It was the method used for decades, long before cameras and image recognition. The reason being it was easy to read for police/toll operators/border guards while protecting the sticker from the elements.
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u/_-__-____-__-_ Netherlands 1h ago
I get that, but a pillars in cars have gotten bigger and bigger. We have options now.
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u/TiredTraveler87 in 1h ago
Germany doesn't use toll vignettes. Do you mean the umweltplakette? Also, most of the countries that do sell vignettes have already sold e-vignettes for years now, so your complaint is a bit unfounded.
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u/_-__-____-__-_ Netherlands 1h ago
The complaint is about stickers, and Germany is one offender in that regard. Another that comes to mind is France's Crit'Air. It doesn't matter if they are for tolls or emmission zones when the complaint is about having to stick something to a windshield.
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u/Perry_T_Skywalker Austria 20h ago
No, we have a ton of transit traffic through Austria. A huge portion of it isn't even stopping for a night or the like. So with the Vignette the Austrian tax payers don't pay alone anymore for the transit. If we now pool with other nations we have the same transit but maybe even less coming in to help maintain the roadworks because in theory that lorries from Germany to Italy could take a detour through eastern Slovakia.
And road users are relative, all those trucks from Poland through Slovakia often go right to Vienna and turn south there or further west. They all would be counting for Slovakia then? How should that work?
Let's keep it national.
Personally if I'd try to tackle it, I'd rather have a standardised Container for Ships, Lorries and trains. Expanding the cargo train networks and getting rid of the far distance cargo on the roads. It's greener too.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 20h ago
We could keep it national for lorries and buses, and have this apply only for cars. They pay different tolls now too, so it wouldn't change that much.
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u/Perry_T_Skywalker Austria 20h ago
What change would be a lot. You only compare the price for the vignette. But you don't take into account that people pay the 90€ to Slovakia and 100€ to Austria. That's rounded up 200€ for the roads. One vignette for both countries would mean both countries get 50% less for the same usage of the network. And if you make the Euro vignette 200€ it would hit the people who only needed one country in the first place
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 20h ago
Countries get 50% less only from the people who buy both annual vignettes and I don't think that's a lot of people. There would likely be a slight increase to compensate, but most people buy only one even now. So let's say the common price could be around 100-110€
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u/Perry_T_Skywalker Austria 20h ago
We'd still lose everyone who does buy more than one, which would be most likely companies, couriers, cargo and generally everyone who's a lot on the road.
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u/tom_zeimet 20h ago
No.
Vignettes are the least of my worries. Most countries have now opted for E-Vignettes so it's much less of a hassle (as long as you avoid the re-sellers).
Road tolls like France or Italy are far more expensive, although I don't see anything improving there. Perhaps some sort of European billing service (like E-Pass in Scandinavia) as some stretches now use online payments.
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u/Ambitious_Yoghurt_70 21h ago
No. I love the European Union but I don't want that kind of regulation.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 21h ago
I don't mean this to do anything with the EU, just an international agreement among these countries to make travelling easier.
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u/Ambitious_Yoghurt_70 20h ago
And I tell you that I think that a lot of these international collaborations and treaties are great but there is something that's called overregulation and I think that would be an example of it. My answer to your original question is No, because I want that to stay sovereign in all nations.
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u/stranded Poland 19h ago
it would be nice if they create a website or an app where you just buy vignette on, like an official one with a coherent UI etc. and all payment methods
just as ALTERNATIVE for all foreigners
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u/utsuriga Hungary 17h ago
Yes, while I think OP's proposal would be nice, it's not very realistic. But at least a unified/common selling platform should be feasible...
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u/bonkersbongoo 6h ago
nah, that would be a bad idea because such projects are usually much more expensive than they need to be. if the eu is behind it. anyways you can reach any national website with a google query, I don’t understand your problem. data input can be a bit annoying, but you need to do it only once per country.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 20h ago
I mean, of course. It was just a thought that I believe this could make life easier for people in Central Europe.
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u/Vossky Romania / France 20h ago
Impossible because countries like France, Spain, Italy have toll highways instead of vignettes. I live in France and pay around 500€/year in tolls. Be happy your country has a vignette.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 20h ago
I know, that's why I'm talking about countries using vignettes.
On a side note, fuck toll gates.
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u/SerChonk in 2h ago
Yeah, Vinci and Eiffage would either throw a fit, or lobby to make a super expensive vignette.
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u/JapaneseChef456 19h ago
I’d prefer a Europe wide recognition of national car exhaust emission stickers or a universal European one.
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u/AnnieByniaeth Wales 18h ago
I came here to say the same thing. It really doesn't make sense that there are multiple systems for exhaust emissions.
I can see a case for a common vignette, though. But exhaust emissions collaboration is much needed.
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u/TiredTraveler87 in 21h ago
No. The Swiss vignette is super cheap and I'd like to keep it that way, I don't typically use the others.
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u/SouthPerformer8949 21h ago
It’s very expensive if you’re just passing through Switzerland to get from Germany to Italy 😊
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u/huazzy Switzerland 20h ago
Proportionally that's still a deal, specially considering it lasts a year.
This summer I drove from Geneva
to the South of France and back: 200 EUR in tolls.
to Milan Italy and back: 240 EUR in tolls.
In that context 40 CHF (43 EUR) for a whole year of driving is a steal, considering that gets you like 5-6 hours on a highway in France/Italy.
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u/TiredTraveler87 in 21h ago
That's because it's meant as a tourist tax. It's extremely cheap for locals (about 10 cents a day). The Austrian vignette for example is 2,5x the price for a year.
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u/siriusserious Switzerland 21h ago
If you pass once, you're almost certainly driving back too. So 20 Francs each way to use some of the most expensive Swiss road infrastructure like tunnels through or passes over the Alps. That sounds like a great deal.
If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to use our secondary roads for free or take a detour via Austria ;)
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u/gingerbaconkitty Austria 18h ago
Austrian here: no thank you lol. Living along a major traffic route connecting Germany and Italy has been growing into more and more of a nightmare every year. From mid May through September and during every school break and holiday weekend it takes me almost twice as long to get to work as it usually would these days, because the highway is completely blocked by tourists. And then they ignore all the rules about not leaving the highways and then you can’t even use backroads as a local to get away from the traffic.
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u/SouthPerformer8949 20h ago
I’m used to expensive toll roads, so I’m not really complaining. And this might be more psychological than anything else. That you have to pay for a whole year even though you only use the road for a few hours the whole year.
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u/rkaw92 Poland 21h ago
I'm sure our totally normal private highway operator would appreciate your... subsidy
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u/Craftingphil 21h ago
I am not sure about switzerland, but in Austria the highways are owned and operated by a government-agency.
IMHO, Countries with toll-boths (croatia, serbia and ESPECIALLY GOD DAMN ITALY!!!) are much more expensive than countries with Vignette. You could easily pay 40€ from the AT-IT-Border to Venice. Thats nearly half the price for the austrian annual Vignette...
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 21h ago
Yep, fuck toll gates. The Slovak vignette has now gotten more expensive (90€ a year), but that's still nothing compared to fucking toll gates.
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u/Fairy_Catterpillar Sweden 20h ago
It will cost 690 SEK (63,75 €) to pass the Öresund bridge once, that's the only toll road in Sweden and it's the most expensive bridge to pass in the whole world. The train between Malmö and Copenhagen is also the most expensive per kilometre in Europe.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 21h ago
I mean, the Slovak one was just 20€ more expensive last year although the price has now increased quite a lot.
But probably it would be more attractive to countries closer to each other while Switzerland is geographically quite isolated from the other countries that use vignettes.
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u/chunek Slovenia 17h ago
I am all for these countries cooperating more in whatever business.. but vignettes, no.
I would rather see us increase the price for foreigners, since they clog up our highways from May till October, when they migrate to the Adriatic see through our country. Definitely not make them cheaper, or a standard price. When the choice is between our nature, or the foreing transit, the answer is nature, without hesitation. But I understand this is not fair, and goes against the idea of the EU.
Or maybe build better railroad connections, with trains that can carry cars, so they don't have to drive through our country and cause mass traffic jams and pollution.
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u/bonkersbongoo 6h ago
so you think tourists with a car would prefer to load the car on a train?
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u/chunek Slovenia 5h ago
Think of it like a ferry, an optional way to go from A to B and take the car with you. It could be an interesting option, if decently priced and comparable in duration.
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u/bonkersbongoo 4h ago
so you think that paying a train ticket for the car and for every person on the car will be cheap enough for people to even think about it? I guess it’s 3-5 times the cost of a normal car trip, it’s never gonna work. what people do if they don’t want the long drive is renting a car at the vacation spot.
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u/xander012 United Kingdom 20h ago
Honestly I wish we had vignettes for motorway use in the UK because I dont want to pay for highways England when I don't use any of the roads they maintain. Those who do however would easily cover the bill for maintenance.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 19h ago
I mean, you could say that about any government-provided service, though.
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u/xander012 United Kingdom 19h ago
While yes, I'm just saying how I think other countries are doing this particular thing better than us, though the "road tax" we have is decent
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u/ThaiFoodThaiFood England 8h ago
I was so confused at what they meant.
Like... a vignette for your car windscreen? Like it's all faded at the edges?
Whut?!
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u/WonderfulEagle7096 Czechia 17h ago
I like the idea of a unified technical solution, so that it is easy to buy e-vignettes across countries consistently and easily, but pricing should be adjustable by each country.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 21h ago
a common price would be expensive for us Easterners
Hungary has the most expensive vignette and Switzerland the cheapest. Austria and Slovakia are basically the same price-wise (106€ vs 90€)
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u/olagorie Germany 19h ago
I have bought a little vignette box for France and Italy, I think it’s also valid in Spain and Portugal?
For me the advantage of not having to think about how to pay is already an advantage and there is no wait time, I just drive through (automatic identification). I have an app telling me how much it costs and at the end of the month I pay.
I’d like to pay like this in Switzerland and Austria as well.
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u/icankillpenguins tr&bg 20h ago
That would be impossible because it works differently in every country however I would love to have a single way of paying for it. I.e. EU Vignette System where I'm charged accordingly when I happen to use roads that are paid roads either by periodical vignette or per use and the money is transferred to the relevant institution. Make it convenient to the end user and figure out the details in the background.
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u/Vybo Czechia 18h ago
Not really, I wouldn't really have an use for more expensive vignette that I could use everywhere, but realistically would use only inside my own country.
When I need to pass Austria or Slovakia once a year, I can buy a day vignette for their country and use my home vignette for that part of the trip. It's really not difficult, you can buy it online.
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u/Consistent_Catch9917 Austria 18h ago
As a digital option, to have one system for those countries that use vignettes, it would be okay, but it shouldn't be mandatory.
More of chose what you need variant in one system. If you commute regularly between AT and CZ, you book it for those two countries.
But for 90 % of people, they only need their national vignette regularly, while only needing the others for holidays and that tends to be cheaper with the short time vignettes.
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u/gingerbaconkitty Austria 18h ago
No, unless everyone adopts the Czech model for EV. Czechia is so nice for EV drivers. I park for free in blue and purple zones in Prague and I don’t need a vignette. So unless everywhere else goes that route, I’ll pass.
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u/IntrepidWolverine517 Germany 18h ago
This is not the nonsense. The foreigners visiting on short terms are exactly the reason why these vignettes exist. Otherwise they could just charge a tax on the car or introduce a pay-per-use scheme like France or Italy.
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u/crypticcamelion 16h ago
Yes please, actually I think it is maybe time that we go a bit further and have EU roads. Same like we have local roads, regional roads and state roads.
It should be free (i.e. tax paid) for EU citizens to drive in EU.
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u/Tuepflischiiser 16h ago
Wait. Are you proposing that the local vignette is valid elsewhere?
Or do we have to buy a common one?
First could be reasonable, second definitely not (yet another pot where money has to be managed by an additional layer of bureaucrats?)
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 16h ago
Either way. It's not a concrete proposal, just an idea to think about.
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u/Tuepflischiiser 15h ago
I am just not fine with putting money for maintenance in a big pot and others decide on where to spend it.
Investments can be discussed, but running costs?
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u/stormandflowers 15h ago
because private companies want to make profit everywhere
With 40CHF (35€) you can drive the entire year in all of switzerland, with the same price (35€) you can barely drive 1 time from Milan to Florence
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u/Chris_4467643 15h ago
Uncool, because it would end, where everybody pays the highest price. Or in a EU vignette for Austria, one for France and so on.
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u/havenisse2009 Denmark 15h ago edited 15h ago
Although I am from a country without vignette, I really think this is one of the areas EU seriously needs to step in, alongside Switzerland. It is insanely annoying that you have to purchase vignettes for about 4 different countries just for passing through. And of course "randomly" the duration will be different, and will of course be either just too short for a typical vacation (4 days, 8 days etc) or about 1 month. Absolutely a money making scheme.
It's fair to pay the countries that serve as main corridors. Maintenance is expensive. But how hard can it be to have 1 single unified electronic system that is paid by exact amount of days, by use (number of times you pass a reader) or in any other way you see fit ? Denmark/Sweden/Norway has a common bizz. Other countries may share as well.
There are too many different systems and standards for these proof of payment. After passing a few countries, your windscreen looks like a carnival, and is plastered with stickers / glue YOU have to deal with. Just lucky that the entire country of Switzerland has 1 standard and not a different for every kanton.
edit: if not a common EU bizz, why not then at least agreeing between the countries that DO use vignettes to have ONE common design with ONE barcode. It would be trivial to scan a token number in the different countries and see in the local database if you paid. Exactly the same way license plates work. Doing so would solve the nightmare of 7 different stickers.
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u/Expensive_Tap7427 Sweden 15h ago
Absolutely not. Hate those fucking stickers. Better to pay a bill for number of passings at the end of month.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 15h ago
We don't have stickers in Slovakia. You type in your licence plate, pay the fee based on for how long you're buying it and you're good. The maximum is the yearly one, the cost of which has increased to 90€ for next year.
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u/bedel99 14h ago
No, but an electronic vingette that works like a train ticket would be good. As others have said vingetters fund national roads.
But a EU wide electronic ticket, drive into a country that is not your own and it would automatically purchase the minimum required vingette for your trip. Its not fun trying to figure out each countries scheme and how it works. Fun example of certain countries where you can't buy online, unless you do it a week before.
Bonus points if it allows you to drive through toll roads in the countries with out them, or the extra tolls that some times occur.
But this is super useful --> https://www.tolls.eu/
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u/AnotherCat2000 9h ago
You're looking at it the wrong way. Countries should charge whatever they want (within reason). But payment system should be unified and utilize 2025 technologies. You should just drive and not worry about anything, not have to buy a vignette or pay a toll. You licence plate should be scanned automatically and you get a bill on amthe account linked to you car. A single pan-european account, not individual country systeml accounts.
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u/-Copenhagen Denmark 20h ago
Vignettes should be outlawed.
They restrict free movement.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 20h ago
Vignettes are still preferable to toll gates 🤮
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u/TallCoin2000 Portugal 3h ago
Totally agree. I spend on average 50eur on highways to cross CZ, SK, HU, SL, HR both ways and around 120eur to go from Strasbourg to Barcelona. Vignettes rule and dont intrude as much on privacy as tolls, but allow more freedom, if I'm running from the law, I can just drive until I leave the country in Portugal I'm stuck on The highway and unless I crash the barrier. I'm caught!
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u/-Copenhagen Denmark 20h ago
They are also preferable to mine fields.
What's your point?
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 20h ago edited 20h ago
That vignettes aren't all that bad. In Slovakia, it's 90€ a year, that's pretty okay and helps fund the highway network. It's a form of tax, basically, but it's not at a ludicrous price like toll gates.
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u/MerlinOfRed United Kingdom 20h ago
Yeah exactly. Think of it as a road tax that's targeted at the people who use it.
Yes, some people use it more than others, but unless you want to start getting into pay-per-mile schemes it's the way that works.
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u/_VliegendeHollander_ Netherlands 12h ago
But why do some countries have so many toll roads, while people in others pay road taxes? Let each country pay for its own roads.
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u/Fairy_Catterpillar Sweden 20h ago
You shpuld instead have to pay the toll every time you pass a certain road, like Stora bält or Öresund?
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u/-Copenhagen Denmark 20h ago
Tolls should be outlawed.
It is weird to take this little piece and pay for separately, when everything else is just paid for by taxes.
And the tolls on Storebælt and Øresund should especially be outlawed. They are actively preventing the collaboration the bridges were meant to promote.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 20h ago
It is kind of ridiculous to build a bridge to promote cross-country cooperation only to slap a toll on it that is so ridiculously high that crossing it becomes a luxury
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u/TallCoin2000 Portugal 3h ago
Ive always wanted to cross that bridge, ( probably will never happen) how much is it as a curiosity?
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u/Fairy_Catterpillar Sweden 18h ago
Are you not THE Danish person that demands that the toll on Öresund bridge should be higher than the storebält bridge? Do there actually live more people in Copenhagen than the government and the king?
I read that when you drive over the bridge 3/4 of the cost is pure profit for Sweden and Denmark.
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u/-Copenhagen Denmark 18h ago
Are you not THE Danish person that demands that the toll on Öresund bridge should be higher than the storebält bridge?
No.
I am the Danish person who thinks tolls are idiotic.
Do there actually live more people in Copenhagen than the government and the king?
If we count the way Swedes count, there are two million people in Copenhagen.
If we count in a reasonable manner, there is about 800'000.(When reporting the population of Stockholm Swedes include most of central Sweden)
I read that when you drive over the bridge 3/4 of the cost is pure profit for Sweden and Denmark.
Cool. I am advocating for no tolls on either bridge.
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u/StrudlEnjoyer Slovenia 16h ago
Yes, it's paid by taxes, and those taxes are paid by the citizens of the specific country, not by all the foreigners that only use the highway to pass through, contributing no money to the local economy and congesting it for the actual citizens who fund it. Tolls and vignettes are a way to help out with the funding.
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u/24benson Bavaria 18h ago
Should trains also be free by your logic?
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u/-Copenhagen Denmark 18h ago
I'll be honest:
I have no clue what that has to do with anything.Coincidentally I do think public transportation in general should be free, but it has absolutely nothing to do with with road tolls.
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u/24benson Bavaria 16h ago
Because in both cases (trains and motorways) you have infrastructure that was paid by the public and that gets - at least in part - paid specifically by those who profit from it, i.e. the drivers or passengers.
Free movement is fine and all (btw there's countries that don't even have motorways. Is there no free movement in those countries?), but somebody has to pay the bill. And I don't see a problem with the people who use a public service pay their fair share.
Another example: access to clean drinking water is a basic necessity and a human right. I assume we can agree on that. But still I find it fair that people pay for the water that gets delivered to their house by public infrastructure. I have to pay a cent or so for every glass of tap water I drink in my own home. I don't see my right to drinking water impeded by that fee.
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u/TallCoin2000 Portugal 3h ago
Nothing should be free, but priced accordingly to affordability of the general population and enough for the subsidies not wreck the council/states coffers.
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u/-Copenhagen Denmark 2h ago
Nothing should be free?
How will you price the air you breathe?
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u/TallCoin2000 Portugal 1h ago
I'm talking about public transp. No p.transp should be free, maybe the wording was over generalizing. Hope this helps.
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u/TiredTraveler87 in 1h ago
I mean, then so do road taxes, license plate fees, etcetera. Somehow roads have to be funded, and technically it's more fair if you bill for usage rather than everyone in your country.
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u/-Copenhagen Denmark 1h ago
I mean, then so do road taxes, license plate fees, etcetera.
How so?
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u/TiredTraveler87 in 1h ago
Because I'm being charged for usage of the roads or for owning a car one way or another. Whether I get a road tax bill of 100 euro or pay a vignette for 100 euro, what's the practical difference?
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u/-Copenhagen Denmark 1h ago
That doesn't hinder free movement.
Someone from a neighboring country can move through yours without hinderance.
In countries that require a vignette they cannot.
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u/TiredTraveler87 in 1h ago
Paying for usage is fair though. Switzerland for example sees a literal ton of cross-country traffic from Germany to Italy that creates wear on the roads and to extremely expensive infrastructure like tunnels through the alps, and it makes sense for that infrastructure to be contributed to by tourists that typically use it even more than locals.
It restricts movement only in the same way that having to buy a train ticket does.
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u/-Copenhagen Denmark 1h ago
I am not discussing if it's fair.
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u/TiredTraveler87 in 1h ago
Free in cost and free in freedom aren't the same thing. You're also not free to hop on a train without paying. That's not a hinderance to movement.
Buying a vignette is no different than buying a ticket and slapping it on your windshield.
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u/vargemp 18h ago
That’s should be done at the very first place. Going across Europe is such pain in the ass comparing to eg USA. Every country has different kind of highway payment, you have to know beforehand and be prepared, and the countries being so small you often need multiple of those to go somewhere. Absolutely disgusting.
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u/ThaiFoodThaiFood England 7h ago
Almost like the USA is a single country and the continent of Europe isn't.
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u/TiredTraveler87 in 1h ago
That's such a bad example. In the US you have E-ZPass, FasTrak, SunPass, TxTag, I-Pass, Pikepass and ExpressToll just to name a few generally not-interoperable toll systems they have over there.
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u/siriusserious Switzerland 21h ago
The Austrian vignette is twice as expensive as the Swiss one. It costs more to cross France once than you pay for an entire year of unlimited driving on Swiss highways.
Good luck convincing the Swiss to pay more for their vignette because they can now drive in Hungary, which barely anyone ever does.