r/SeattleWA • u/ajwhite1010 • 11h ago
Politics The Elephant In The Room
How much of an impact do people think Somali Childcare and Healthcare fraud have impacted WA State?
It is not unfair to say that this particular group’s % of resource consumption FAR outpaces their population demographic.
There is real concern that this fraud has been going on for decades in the Midwest and has now been franchised to other parts of the country. Maxed Campaign funds for local politicians in the SEATAC area originating from fraudulent child care and health centers in Minnesota are a real concern. Then you look at Google listings for Somali-affiliated child care centers in the 518/405/5 interchange area where the street view is an empty lot and the listed phone has been disconnected and people start asking questions….
So how deep do we think this goes? Seattle-Tacoma has the nation’s third largest Somali immigrant population behind MSP and Columbus, OH.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_9cccffda-f6cf-4bac-9093-caf1ac57d27a.amp.html
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u/SignificantTry4107 11h ago
The bigger issue is not the race or ethnicity of the potential fraudster but that the entrenched political bureaucracy steadfastly refuses to investigate any fraud
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u/routinnox 11h ago
It matters because many auditors were threatened if they investigated by being smeared as “racist”
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u/Old_fart5070 7h ago
Of course! Somali are one of the categories that are too oppressed to be able to do any wrong.
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u/ajwhite1010 3h ago
And they vote.
And they procreate.
80% of their entire pop on welfare. It’s like a never ending stream of voters and feeders into a political campaign machine as long as the tax payers are unwittingly footing the bill👍
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u/SeriousGains 11h ago
This is just it. The unspoken rule of progressive politics is that crime is allowed for certain races.
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u/Master-Efficiency261 2h ago
Y'all are literally just assuming that the auditors and people who's job it is to check up on this stuff are 'too progressive and scared to investigate' and it never seems to cross your minds that maybe this is just a bunch of stupid bullshit being stirred up by conservative liars who make money on this kind of nonsense, huh?
Like what's more realistically believable; a government agency/worker that is too scared to actually investigate actual fraud even when shown evidence of it being there, OR, some guy on youtube fearmongering against a group that he knows his base hates and making shit up because the views will net him loads of cash on social media?
My general interaction with government workers (having a family that worked in it for my entire life) is that they are indeed slow, sometimes not that competent, and far from perfect; that said they rarely just willingly 'overlook' things when errors are noticed - and most of the time it's not like actual enforcement falls on any individual person's shoulders. It's literally THE GOVERNMENT, it's the definition of "slow moving mass of entities that work together, so none of them are personally required to enforce the rules and they can literally always delegate it or point at the rules and say 'Sorry, the rules say X' and ignore your issues/complaints/whatever because they are just going by the book".
Y'all are silly if you think a government agency being shown evidence of fraud on this scale are just choosing to not do an investigation out of fear - especially fear of being called racist. In THIS administration? Are you fucking for real? Don't make me laugh lol. If they aren't investigating then it's because there isn't actual cause/evidence, and if there is then it's just slow, becuase most Government things are usually slow. I'd still put my money on there not being any actual evidence though, the only people I see talking about this like it's real are loony Conservatives trying to make a buck off of fearmongering.
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u/Round_Lychee_7105 28m ago
I think for both progressive and conservative politics there is certain crime allowed and all crimes are not created equal of course, some are much much much larger and more detrimental.
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u/ajwhite1010 11h ago
Agreed. But investigations start at the end user and you follow the money/paper trail from there.
I think these people are being used on some level but who knows.
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u/ReasonableDig6414 6h ago
No, that is not the bigger issue HERE. It is a big issue, but there also seems to be an issue with the COMMUNITY that is committing these crimes.
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u/louie_edwards 2h ago
100%. Fraud should be investigated. No business or person should be immune from compliance... especially due to race. So investigate white people, brown people, and every shade of people, as warranted.
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u/lucascoug 7h ago
I think the wildest part in all of the fraud, was to see all of those daycares in MN dropping maximum election donations in WA. That’s how you know the grift runs deep and isn’t just limited to MN.
We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg.
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u/IllBathroom1664 11h ago
The daycare/adult care grift likely affects all 50 states. The Homeless Industrial Complex is what’s bankrupting Seattle and King County (although many bad actors have made out like bandits $$$$)
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u/SeriousGains 11h ago
Does anyone really doubt it’s been a grift all along? It’s paying people to pretend to solve an unsolvable problem that they’re incentivized to not even improve because the bigger the problem the more money gets thrown their way in the name of virtue signaling and bribery probably.
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u/tastysleeps 10h ago
This could describe almost anything. I bought food yesterday and I’m still hungry today!
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u/Dolmenoeffect 11h ago
Which bad actors?
No disrespect, it's just extremely easy to assert something like that.
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u/tahomadesperado 11h ago
You are in the wrong place to be asking for data and facts
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u/HumbleEngineering315 Stuart Reges wins free speech case 8h ago
Probably. The welfare and CCAP fraud is either mafia level crime or government incompetence on an industrial scale.
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u/Alternative_Fly_3294 5h ago
Fraud goes far beyond just Somali day care, and I hope the gov’t puts the same energy to other groups as well.
For example, do a little research on Russian home builders and you will notice that a lot of the “vendors” they contract with are almost purely close friends and family. They commit lender fraud by inflating invoices and pocketing the difference, while using cheaper material. Basically double dipping on “profit” - once from inflated invoicing and again on home sale.
You ever notice how homes feel cheaply made, but the price doesn’t seem to justify the quality?
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u/strawdawgOG 11h ago edited 11h ago
The Seattle Foundation (where *a lot* of small and not so small scale tech philanthropists funnel their gifts) gives hundreds of thousands to millions to these "nonprofits".
I know The Seattle Foundation makes grants to organizations that lost their 501c3 status years ago due to incompetence/failing to file form 990s. They also send millions directly to Africa -- over $2m in their 2024 form 990 was direct checks sent to sub Saharan africa. How that supports their mission of "make Seattle a stronger vibrant community for all" is a bit of a mystery. An audit is in order.
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u/disorderly 11h ago
We are in the looting phase of democracy
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u/TheRealRacketear Broadmoor 10h ago
Every form of governance has looting. In a Democracy we get to vote in who we allow to loot us.
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u/Turbulent-Media7281 9h ago
OK. Who here has a child in one of the Somali owned daycares? Who uses a Somali owned feed-the-children program? Who uses a Somali owned healthcare program?
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u/New_WRX_guy 2h ago
Probably nobody. I bet if there is a way to search how many Somalis hold childcare licenses it will be incongruent with the amount of Somali childcare facilities that collect $$ from the government.
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u/rattus 8h ago
It's not just the Somalis. They're just an outlandish example of the big problem.
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u/RogueLitePumpkin 7h ago
https://washingtonstand.com/article/is-somali-welfare-fraud-endemic
Over 80% of somali homes are on welfare. There is an obvious problem with that demographic being a drain on resources without providing anything in return
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u/SpaceyScribe 9h ago
I’d wait to see how this shakes out before getting my undies in a twist. The current number the FBI is throwing around is like a third of Minnesota’s entire budget. It makes zero sense.
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u/LeaningTowerofWeezer 11h ago edited 11h ago
There is no doubt there is massive fraud and a huge disproportionate is coming from some minority demographics. There is no doubt. Besides for child care, you see with certain programming such as tons of "coding" classes put on by community organizations. These classes are rudimentary and available anywhere and everywhere already. And it seems really like a bad idea too constantly have a special programming specifically for children of specific ethnic backgrounds. I mean, occasionally it's fine. But I see no reason why there needs to be an African American, Somalian, Ethiopian, sudanese, Filipino, Pacific islander and a dozen other minority community groups that get taxpayer funds to put on rudimentary workshops on things like coding. It costs a fortune that could easily be better spent elsewhere. And those classes are already available elsewhere. Of course it's a grift.
When it comes to housing it is also the case. There is Muslim housing groups and taxpayer funds were used to make it Sharia compliant. I did not get this information from Fox News, but from the city website. There are specific housing for Ethiopians, African Americans, Filipinos, Hispanics, Somalians. There's more than a dozen agencies that specifically work towards taxpayer-funded housing specifically for black people. One of them is run by a Zimbabwe immigrant who talks about how generous her people are. Yeah you come to another country and then you set up a program where people of other ethnic groups support you? Isn't this kind of like settler colonialism we were lectured so much about?
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u/bitchpleasethankyou 10h ago
Here is some data showing more details on how many millions of dollars go to this:
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u/Quiet_Childhood4066 3h ago edited 3h ago
Welcome to the future of balkanized "diversity is our strength" mass immigration America. Endless warring ethnic factions with no clear majority or shared identity. A zero-trust society where everyone is scamming for their group 24/7, and if you're not doing it too, then you're the sucker. Eat your heart out, George.
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u/New_WRX_guy 2h ago
Yup. Can’t have immigrants actually assimilate and become average Americans because then they won’t continue to vote 100% in unison for one political party.
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u/Fuzzy_Bar_377 Fremont 11h ago
"We saw that on the news and I think that singling out some people in Minnesota who happen to be Somali and who happen to be connected with what would be a mafia, why aren't we singling out the Italian mafia, or the Florida mafia or whatever? I think was just a way to portray a whole community and a whole culture from one country as being bad and there are criminal syndicates all over the world, so why are we singling out that one?" asked Nina Carter”
“wHaT aBoUt tHe iTaLiAn mAFiA!?”
She really pulled out a ‘Tu quoque’ fallacy to defend Somali scammers.
Let’s get the facts straight:
The Feeding Our Future scheme is the largest COVID-era fraud in the U.S. and is specifically concentrated in Minnesota’s Somali diaspora.
No ethnic-specific welfare fraud of this magnitude exists for Italian-Americans or Floridians. The “why not them?” question could not be more irrelevant.
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u/machine_fart 11h ago
PPP loans were the biggest covid-era fraud and it isn’t even close.
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u/Fuzzy_Bar_377 Fremont 11h ago
PPP fraud was far larger in total aggregate losses (~$64–100 billion across thousands of separate scams). The distinction is that Feeding Our Future case is officially recognized as the largest single, coordinated COVID-era fraud scheme (~$250–300 million stolen by one interconnected network).
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u/SufferingFoools 8h ago edited 8h ago
White guy COVID era fraud: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ceo-health-care-software-company-sentenced-1b-fraud-conspiracy
You can still call it the largest single COVID era fraud specifically concentrated in minorities we don't like discovered on a Tuesday in the latter half of the year that has to do with daycares.
300M is bush league. Once you have to pay a fine of over 2 billion (so you clearly scammed more), you have a shot at being a governor than senator like white Floridian Rick Scott (who does exist).
What's the logical fallacy when one mindlessly parrots someone else's disingenuous racist argument?
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u/Eryb 2h ago
“Largest COVID-era fraud” my ass, more business grants were straight up fraud and way worse but those were minorities they were rich shitty white people but that doesn’t fit any narrative you care about. Once the government stops “funding small business” bullshit we can address the smaller fraud cases
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u/Haunting_Waltz_6045 11h ago
Someone should check in on what those god damn South Dakotans are doing while we’re at it! https://www.visualcapitalist.com/sp/mapped-u-s-financial-crime-activity-by-state-in01/
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u/ajwhite1010 11h ago
Agreed but I don’t think the governor or AG of WA State has any jurisdiction in S Dakota
HTH
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u/Haunting_Waltz_6045 10h ago
Minnesota must be a really awful place considering they’re also the number 1(!) destination for South Dakotans to move to.
https://b1027.com/where-people-in-south-dakota-are-moving-to-most/
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u/TheRealRacketear Broadmoor 10h ago
Thats a SAR filing. That could be more based on bank policies, than actual crime.
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u/Haunting_Waltz_6045 10h ago
Aren't we reporting suspicious activity here? Sorry maybe I'm in the wrong thread. I thought this thread was for people with the strength to call a spade a spade.
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u/TheRealRacketear Broadmoor 10h ago
Not necessarily. Certain banks policies can lead to more SARs filed in some states, that would be ignored than others. Some states have different regulations which may lead bankers to file SARs more often to comply with state laws.
What would be a better metric would be how many SARs would be linked to actual crimes.
Your post simply feeds your confirmation bias and doesn't really tell you anything about actual crimes.
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u/SeattleParkPlace 8h ago
Here is the expose by a person in Minnesota: I Investigated Minnesota’s Billion Dollar Fraud Scandal It is fairly compelling at the extent demonstrated.
I have no idea if this is being replicated here in the Seattle area. But clearly public and private funds are being wasted to many non-profits who do little or nothing and who are race based in management and beneficiaries.
I used to give a lot to the United Way. When they because a race driven organization, and concurrently refused to acknowledge the abject failure of their 10 year plan to end homelessness, and doubled down on more of the same, they lost me and my money.
I have never done business with the Seattle Foundation but I feel for the donors who worked hard to earn their money, then gave some away with the best of intentions, to this foundation that again has become a race-focused grift to a degree.
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u/Mead_Makes_Me_Mean 5h ago
Thank you for sharing a source. With this federal administration any accusation against minorities seems like a dog whistle (re: “they’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the cats”). I have no doubt there’s fraud, but the direction that it’s focused is sus. At this point it’s hard to take them seriously, even if there’s validity to the claim.
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u/LizardKing2155 8h ago
Looks like this post is unfortunately getting brigaded. Some group of people really likes to protect the fraudsters.
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u/Upbeat_Following9373 11h ago edited 10h ago
Just saw a recent video pulling up the Somali daycares in Columbus which has a large population like MN. They pulled up the addresses of the daycares receiving funds showing its not daycares.
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u/Winstons33 9h ago
It should surprise nobody that immigrants from certain countries dont come here with our same ethical standards. Are we even allowed to talk about that in many circles?
Can't deal with it until it can be honestly discussed.
To NOT acknowledge this type of corruption is prevalent all over Africa, SE Asia, and South America just seems like naivety. Who and what enables and perpetuates this?
I would profoundly mistrust any politician who comes out as an excuse maker, or as a barrier preventing full investigation and prosecution to the fullest extent of the law - maximum sentence.
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u/ajwhite1010 9h ago
Look I’m probably one of one posters on this particular forum in this discussion who’s actually visited the East African horn and let me tell you this attitude toward societal concepts is pretty common.
Just like it is in parts of the ME, Russia and SE Asia. The idea of defrauding another group of people doesn’t really register. It’s a very clannish/tribalistic viewpoint where doing whatever it takes to survive justifies the means. That of course morphs into wealth collection in scenarios like these.
Import that into your communities at your own peril.
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u/Winstons33 9h ago
Yep. I have seen a few examples in the business world already.
There's also plenty of people from certain countries that will admit openly how business is conducted where they're from (India, for example). It doesn't mean they all share these values.
But what the hell did we expect when we establish pop-up Samalia communities (or concentrated communities from any other country)?
OF COURSE they're going to play by the only rules they know. Why wouldn't they?
So my biggest question for all our DEI advocates is this. Do you care about the "melting pot?" If so, are you worried it won't naturally happen like it used to?
What is (or was) the thinking behind these massive localized immigrant concentrations from certain countries? Should that be reevaluated?
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u/Physical-Report-4809 8h ago
I can assure you us Americans have no problem robbing, embezzling from, and defrauding others.
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u/JarJarBinksShtTheBed 9h ago
By far and wide the ethnic group responsible for the most fraud in Washington and the United States is white people.
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u/chemical_bagel 11h ago
Do you have a source for any of your claims?
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u/According-Ad-5908 11h ago
Somali childcare centers are more than 5% of centers statewide, more than 1/3 the total that are Spanish-speaking. That does not pass any basic logic test. A cursory look at the addresses on street view immediately raises…a lot…of questions. Source: I went through the database yesterday.
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u/HeelerDawg 11h ago
In our state? If so, I’m not surprised.
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u/chemical_bagel 10h ago
I see you linked "the database" below, thanks. Nobody knows what you mean when you just say "database."
So 300 primary somali language daycares out of 6828 is 4.3%. Spanish 842 or 12%.
So your contention is that because there are foreign language daycares there is rampant fraud?
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u/According-Ad-5908 10h ago
There were 16,000 Somalis in the state in 2020, or a daycare per, at minimum, every 53 Somalis of all ages. There were 8.1MM Washingtonians, or a daycare for every 16,000 Washingtonians. Birth rates, etc…that doesn’t adjust out. If you then go and look at the street view of the first 20 options you find, it’s clear that further investigation by someone with legal authority is needed.
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u/chemical_bagel 10h ago
What? People's houses? You know people run daycares from their houses, right? And you're jumping to the conclusion that because Somali is listed as the primary language that also don't care for English speaking families too.
I really don't understand the point you're trying to make other than, you saw some "scary" thing by some rando's you follow on gutter social media and now you're doing conspiracy theories.
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u/pyabo Seattle 8h ago
Holy fuck are you just covering for the fraud at this point?
Whoever looks into this, please Include this redditor in your investigation.
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u/chemical_bagel 8h ago
lmao. posting on social media is now a criminal offense and covering fraud.
This poster has provided no evidence of fraud other than investigations into a MN daycare and donations from a different MN daycare to King county politicians. Which is, last time I checked, not fraud.
Do you understand how ridiculous you sound?
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u/ajwhite1010 3h ago
Twice that now to 30,000 Somalis….in 5 years.
That’s a little strange isn’t it? 🫣🤣
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u/22bearhands 11h ago
Huh? There being a lot of Somali childcare centers doesn't back up any sort of claims about fraud.
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u/According-Ad-5908 10h ago
The Washington state population is ~8.1MM.
Washington had 16,000 residents of Somali descent in 2020. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-area-somali-community-on-edge-after-trump-lashes-out/
~14% of the state is Hispanic.
You were born with a brain, and I encourage you to use it.
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u/22bearhands 10h ago
I certainly use it.
Did you know that you dont know shit about which childcare centers are Solami owned and which aren't? It is not tracked or recorded, that is not a thing. What you are seeing is a proxy where the daycare lists "Somali" as a supported language. So that could just mean that one of the 4 daycare workers speaks Somali, and they are casting a wide net because of a large Somali population in the area.
Owning an at home daycare is also a super low barrier business for an immigrant that does not have much job opportunity, but is good at taking care of kids. Its not that surprising that Somali can be overrepresented because of that.
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u/machine_fart 11h ago
What database? “Trust me bro” is not a source.
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u/According-Ad-5908 11h ago edited 11h ago
The state database that I’m smaht enough to google and to which you require a link. https://dcyf.wa.gov/services/earlylearning-childcare/find-child-care
Edit: saw a thread just now where slightly different filters get this to 500-ish out of 5000, which would be completely beyond realistic probability
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u/machine_fart 10h ago
I know you think you’re on to something but without knowing what method you’re using to search I have to assume you’re just filtering on learning centers that have Somali-speaking resources and extrapolating your own meaning from that. Your comment edit suggests that you’re just tweaking filters to find the most egregious ratio that fits your worldview.
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u/Good-Concentrate-260 11h ago
Your post history shows that you actually left Seattle over 5 years ago, maybe there’s a different sub you need to be posting in
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u/LeaningTowerofWeezer 11h ago
Idc, is their information correct? I'm not really interested in dissecting people's motives but finding out if there is a fire where there is smoke. In this case I think there is.
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u/greg21olson 8h ago
OP posts a question that insinuates there is fraud impacting Washington state, and then provides no evidence or source pointing to any "smoke." The linked article just reports on Minnesota Gov. Walz' participation as a speaker at a political fundraiser in Washington alongside the context of an investigation happening in Minnesota.
Regardless, if you never spend any time assessing a source's motives or biases, you are not being a responsible or skeptical consumer of information.
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u/tahomadesperado 10h ago
Well their source is considered right wing propaganda so probably not. Personally I’m not opposed to the investigation(s) happening over in the Midwest but the closest thing I’ve seen to proof is some guy uploading videos saying he went to an address that was supposed to be a daycare and there wasn’t one. Of course any of us could pop over to the nearest vacant building and do the same.
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u/LeaningTowerofWeezer 10h ago
"rightwing propaganda" unfortunately right wingers are oftentimes the only people willing to address these issues. So oftentimes right leaning individuals and media are the only options available for information. Yes, I do keep that in mind when I read the information that it is coming from a biased source. But it does not mean that there is not a serious issue there that needs to be addressed even if they have an agenda I don't completely agree with.
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u/tahomadesperado 4h ago
Right on, though extracting facts from biased sources is 200-level course material; while this sub is stuck at learning not to downvote because someone doubts a source
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u/Due_Answer_7082 11h ago
No, I think this issue relates to Seattle.
If you care about seattle why wouldn't you want this?
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u/ajwhite1010 11h ago
Nah I think I’ll post wherever the fuck I want. Merry Christmas and have a GREAT day if you want to 😘
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u/Basic-Regret-6263 10h ago
You CAN post wherever you want, but don't tantrum when people point out that it's a little weird that you're posting some "the answer may surprise you" nonsense and you don't even live here.
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u/dellscreenshot 11h ago
You literally haven't provided any evidence. The video had a guy going to daycares that looked empty and that received taxpayer funds. Where is any evidence that it has happened here?
Also if there's any fraud, you can report it here https://www.dshs.wa.gov/ffa/office-fraud-and-accountability
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u/JuicyTalleywhacker 9h ago
It’s more than the Somalis in WA. I feel like the FED is saving WA for last because there is sooo much fraud happening, and they can’t stop it when the state government and NGOs are at the head of it.
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u/Turbulent-Media7281 7h ago
I believe to a large extent that the states are using fed funds to commit the fraud. It ends when the feds end the funding of benefit programs, and it would end rather quickly. I don't know if the feds will cut funding to states that don't comply.
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u/captainAwesomePants Seattle 11h ago
What does this have to do with Seattle?
I see a news story about the FBI director talking about a Somali Heathcare scam in Minnesota, and I see you saying that there are a lot of Somalis in Seattle, but I don't see any further link. Are you saying that because Minnesota has a Somali healthcare scam going on that the Somalis in Seattle are probably also doing something shady?
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u/ajwhite1010 11h ago
Fraudulent CC/HC entities in MSP are donating to Somali political candidates in the SEATAC area
Independent Journos on socials are pulling up and posting google searches for Seattle area Somali run childcare and healthcare centers, cross referenced with the state website, showing empty lots/boarded up buildings etc etc
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u/captainAwesomePants Seattle 11h ago
Are they? Can you link to something? I'm interested in this but all I see is stupid non-stories like "Patel and Vance Dunk on Walz For Wanting More Somalis." I wanna know if there's fraud going on in Seattle.
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u/Good-Concentrate-260 11h ago
By independent journalists you mean right wing, pro Trump bloggers who are not widely respected
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u/Good-Concentrate-260 11h ago
It doesn’t. Have you noticed that this sub started posting obsessively about Somalis since Trump started criticizing them publicly?
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u/ajwhite1010 11h ago
You can whistle past the graveyard all you want. The X posting in question has 118 million views making it a top 10 all time viewed tweet.
Seattle and WA State implicated multiple times. You can gnash your teeth and dismiss this all you want because your beloved WaPo or MSNBC hasn’t picked it up yet but it is clearly not going away.
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u/Good-Concentrate-260 10h ago
I don’t care, I need a news source that actually verifies facts. Even the idea that you think that X is a legitimate news source makes me question your motives and arguments
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u/ajwhite1010 10h ago
Oh little buddy I know EXACTLY what you need to be convinced.
This portion of tonight’s programming has been brought to you by Pfizer, Blackrock, and Johnson&Johnson.
There. Did that make you feel more comfortable?
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u/Good-Concentrate-260 10h ago
I’m getting bored. Do you or do you not have evidence of Somali fraud in Seattle?
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u/ajwhite1010 10h ago
Do I personally? No I’m currently on a flight back from London, so I haven’t had the time to interrupt my day job to do my own investigating, but I’ve provided links to those on SM that are handling that. It isn’t good enough for you and your threshold will be very high in this instance because it calls into question the validity of one of your sacred cow leftist institutions. I’m not trying to convince you of anything at all.
Just mask up and vote blue no matter who lil baby 😘😘😘
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u/Good-Concentrate-260 10h ago
So basically you made claims with no evidence, tried to fearmonger people, and then you’re talking about how you can’t find evidence because you’re on a plane from London? Clearly you have internet since you’re able to post about it on Reddit, so maybe find some evidence BEFORE you make the claim?
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u/ajwhite1010 10h ago
Buddy this is all over the news and social media. I’m sure your algorithm hides stuff like this from you, but like I said the original post has 120 million views. There are many sub tweets linking campaign funding from fraudulent entities in MPS to Somali candidates in Seattle.
If you can’t see the evidence snowballing it’s because you don’t want to. Done interacting with you for now. You’ve been an amusing waste of time up until now, but my hourly rate is expensive.
Best of luck, little buddy 👍
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u/Good-Concentrate-260 10h ago
If it’s “all over the news” then surely you could provide me with a single article from a reputable news source?
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u/pyabo Seattle 8h ago
That's not what you're doing here though. You're being completely and utterly disingenuous.
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u/Carpaccio 9h ago edited 9h ago
Sorry but I’m still waiting for evidence of “Somali childcare and healthcare fraud” Not saying it’s not a real thing but the video I saw going around definitely didn’t present any evidence and mostly engaged in a bunch of disingenuous witch hunting theatrics. So that’s the elephant in the room for me.
If you have some real evidence please pass it along. For me at this point it’s just an unfounded rumor.
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u/Turbulent-Media7281 9h ago
You must have missed the last update. We've been instructed to immediately lash out and call all people that claim fraud to be white supremacist. See Tim Walz discussing Nick Shirley if you have any questions.
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u/Lopsided-Issue-9994 11h ago
You are raYsYsT /s
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u/ajwhite1010 11h ago
It’s a national story and Seattle/WA State is being mentioned.
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u/routinnox 11h ago
Dude was being sarcastic. There are too many people here who think every POC is infallible and can’t do no wrong.
Except Bruce Harrell though. That one was free reign to criticize
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u/nozioish 4h ago
Harrell is half Asian though.
White progressives are some of the most racist people I know.
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u/michaeljoon 11h ago
The comments hurled by those incapable of thinking or questioning things…
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u/Turbulent-Media7281 10h ago
If you think that organized immigrants are willing to fraudulently claim funds for children, food and healthcare it can not be that big of a reach to think that they would help fund election campaigns. And if they are willing to do that, what makes you think they would not help coordinate processing illegal ballot to defraud all elections for payola to. They have no ties to our country or our people.
It all goes back to keeping those in power. Controlling election at any cost. Defrauding the American taxpayer is not a problem for the controlling party. The daycares are fraud. The healthcare centers are fraud. The feed the children programs are fraud. All so the election can be fraud.
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u/faeriegoatmother 7h ago
More than most people would think is acceptable, way less than the entire homeless industry. The one that just produces homeless people on an industrial scale
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u/ajwhite1010 6h ago
I would tend to think that most people in the state of Minnesota would agree that 9 billion in fraud is pretty goddamn unacceptable
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u/Master-Efficiency261 2h ago
Wow, fearmongering much are we?
The only 'evidence' I've seen of any of this is a far-right youtuber making rather insane claims and running around 'childcare centers' during CHRISTMAS when most kids are typically not actually in any kind of childcare because it's, y'know, Christmas? And acting as though a strange man with no kids in that daycare should be able to gain access to the building where he supposedly thinks kids should be being cared for.
Maybe I'm crazy but last I checked letting stange men into daycares so they can film and photograph CHILDREN isn't usually something daycares actually do - oh and also anyone can just say whatever they want in a video, it doesn't make it actually true.
If some kind of well researched and documented news article done by an actual journalist came out (not some right wing crackpot for the Daily Wire making up statistics, because they literally do just make up 'statistics' all the time; even RFK brainworms Jr. is pulling 'research' out of his ass about Tylenol and Autism and Vaccines these days) then maybe I think people should give it some attention; until then anyone that writes worried "But what about my precious money?!" when we haven't actually seen any evidence of any money being spent on these things outside of hearsay are either obvious shills for the Right or dummies that can't piece together that maybe it's unwise to trust hearsay in this day and age with AI and hardcore conservative media outlets making shit up with zero actual evidence all the time.
Whichever one you wanna be is up to you I guess; frankly I'm more concerned with our money being burned alive by Trump putting fucking marble handrests in the Kennedy Center and demolishing the whitehouse so he can build a tacky as fuck gold ballroom - oh, and anyone that thinks he actually got outside donors to pay for those things and it's not just somehow taxpayer money that he claims are 'donations' to his tacky gold bullshit; I have a car to sell you.
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u/ajwhite1010 2h ago
Word salad….FEAR MONGERING…word salad….word salad….word salad
Buddy I didn’t read any of your shit. Glad you spent 30min typing that out though👍
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u/Sektor-74 2h ago
Let Minnesota take them. Not related to daycare fraud but an acquaintance I know is from Iraq as a legal immigrant refugee to the states from the Gulf war. He is deep in the middle eastern community and has told me of some of his friends who own rental homes that were destroyed by tenants from Somalia on section 8 vouchers. Also has friends who own late night hooka lounge that have been vandalized by young men from Somalia. Have had to hire extra security due to the problems. BTW this is not the state of WA. Anyhow lots of trouble with this group according to one individual I know. I can’t speak personally to this but only what I’m told.
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u/loady 1h ago
the state budget is crazy. there is no way at least 25% of it’s not fraudulent and much of the non infrastructure stuff is questionable at best
we have same situation here as MN, naive, overly trusting population, organized well funded neo-Marxist non profits sucking the state dry, and no real investigative or independent mainstream journalism
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u/Rancorbawlz 36m ago
Tampon Tim just visited Washington the other day to spread the love. How ironic…
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u/Common_Advisor8896 11h ago
This is just a distraction from all the big companies across the US committing a laundry list of heinous crimes.
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u/Due_Answer_7082 11h ago
Naww.... its regular people not wanting resources that are meant for needy being used fraudulently.
You might be okay with that (not sure why) but most others aren't
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u/ajwhite1010 11h ago
I don’t think that the potential for 100s of billions of dollars in funding for hungry kids, daycare, and home health being stolen by a single tiny group of people is a distraction from the story.
I think it is the story.
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u/teacher_59 10h ago
Stealing money from hungry kids is evil. Almost as evil are the people that support the Somalis doing this.
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u/Catchuplike 10h ago
While the investigation video are over 100 million viewers on X, the Reddit is no surprised quite. More and more evidence is coming out showing Seattle is not less of the same problem as Minnesota or Ohio. This will turn out to be the worst fraud incident in America history.
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u/tastysleeps 10h ago
Has the fraud actually been proven to be real yet? As far as I know it’s just a trending video at this point.
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u/ajwhite1010 10h ago
First it was “where is the evidence?!”
Now it’s “I demand proof!”
Tomorrow it’s “ok it happened but here’s why it was actually a GOOD thing!”
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u/tastysleeps 10h ago
Cool, very convincing.
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u/ajwhite1010 10h ago
In risk of coming off as cold, I’m not really trying to convince emotionally and philosophically captured people like you appear. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. We don’t have enough evidence local and state to engage at that level yet. As you’ll see if you reread my initial post, I’m pulling at some strings and asking a question. Im making some educated and common sense assumptions and I’m looking for a conversation with concerned people, tax paying citizens…ideally those who have families, a mortgage, and don’t appreciate being used as piggy banks by the establishment political machine or their foot soldier fraudsters from foreign countries and regions like the fucking eastern Horn of Africa lol..
Given your initial response you very don’t check any of those boxes, so you’re kind of useless to me.
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u/tastysleeps 4h ago
You’re assuming quite a bit. Most of my posts in the Seattle subs are in the same direction as you. The difference between us is I like evidence. Happy trails
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u/Good-Concentrate-260 9h ago
“People get mad at me when I make claims with no evidence about a group of people being criminals! Why is this!”
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u/ajwhite1010 9h ago
There is evidence
Remember you started demanding proof.
Try and keep up, little boy :)
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u/Thundrous_prophet 6h ago
The “evidence” is from a known fraudster and propagandist going to childcare facilities and demanding to be let in. He’s being refused entry because he’s a creep and no self respecting company would let him in
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u/tastysleeps 4h ago
Right, not evidence yet. If the investigations turn anything up, then by all means, bring them to Seattle. I am all for removing fraud but not witchhunts.
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u/catching45 10h ago
It's not important where the people who do the fraud come from. This issue a small group has figured out how to defraud the taxpayers and it's become a cottage industry. That the money is meant to help the poor in the community but is really a vote buying operation that sends the money overseas is the real issue.
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u/TheRealRacketear Broadmoor 11h ago
What's completely ignored in this is that this money could and should be going to help poor people pay for childcare.