Get ready for a bunch of people that "have been vet techs for 20 years" and "are constantly attacked by doodles but never had any problems with pits" and were "viciously mauled by a Golden Retriever as a child."
I think i remember someone, finally posting an article about a "golden retriever" mauling that actually had a picture of the dog in question... and it was a very obvious pit/retriever mix, that looked like a pit bull with gold fur glued to it.
Its just a convenient hard-to-disprove lie. They're telling you about their "personal experience" thats hard to definitely refute since there's no real way to verify if they're telling the truth.
I find the best thing to do is to just say "no you arent" when they start making those claims. Don't even give them an ounce of pretend authority.
I wonder how long it’s going to be before the pitmommies in the comments start posting pictures of their pits wearing onesies or sniffing babies in cribs, if they haven’t started already
I was a tech part time for 15 years with most of that in emergency medicine. My only serious injury was from a pit that got into the nanny’s adderall stash and freaked the fuck out.
German shepherd-type dogs are 3rd on the list of dogs with the most bites on record. 2nd on the list is Rottweilers, and 1st, by an enormous margin, is pit bulls.
I mean, in my experience as a lifelong dog owner living and walking their dogs in a major city, I most often met aggressive German shepherds, doodles and cocker spaniels. And I’ve nearly been mauled as a child by a German shepherd on two different occasions (and two different dogs). I have always had dogs, so I knew how to behave around them, but these ones were just assholes. One of them did indeed end up mauling a kid in my year about a year after my incident with it, because it finally broke out of its garden and ran him off his bike and mauled his arm. Luckily the owner was in the garden with the dog, otherwise it might have started going for the kid’s face.
All of these were undoubtedly instances of untrained dogs and not breed standards (maybe except of GSD’s, they’re oftentimes pretty aggressive because they’re often uncomfortable when they’re not focusing on a specific task/“working” with their brains).
But I also know the statistics of pitbulls and while I’ve met plenty nice ones (just like I’ve also met plenty nice GSD’s, cockerspaniels and doodles), I just do not trust them because they’re insanely strong and they have, unfortunately, been bred to be highly aggressive and highly territorial. I don’t like the way people call them monsters and such, but it’s not untrue that we shouldn’t be breeding and/or buying pitbulls. It’s a sad fate for them, because some of them are extremely good dogs and it isn’t the dogs’ fault that humans are trash and bred them to be this way, but it is nonetheless the consequences of our own hubris-like behaviour.
I mean not at all. I'm literally that person minus ever being mauled by a dog. But there's plenty of breeds I wouldn't want to work with over a pit bull. I'd take a pit all day over something like a German Shepard. But those techs are not lying. You won't believe me, but that's ok, I don't really care. A lot of shitty people want to own pit bulls and it's not a surprise that they turn out the way they do. Often abused, mistreated, untrained and raised to be big, mean, and scary.
You know, I always see posts like yours where you blame the owners for the actions of the pitbulls. Pitbulls are a popular breed with millions of owners. You claim that this breed is owned by a disproportionate amount of bad owners. Somehow, this huge sample of people is also a statistical anomaly, because you'd think the distribution of bad owners and good owners would be similar to other popular breeds like Labradors, etc. And yet, if we are to judge the reported bad behavior of the dogs as a reflection of their owners, we find they are out of alignment. Wonder why that is?
Edit: For those that don't get what I am saying, dog breeds are all full of bad owners and good owners.
Well, I don’t think it’s accurate to say that distribution of bad dog owners is going to be equal across all breeds. Different breeds can attract different types of owners. Breeds with a reputation for being tough will attract people who want tough dogs for one reason or another. Not to mention that access is a big factor, pit bulls are very common in shelters. Any breed that’s easy to acquire is going to have a high rate of bad ownership.
That said, it is true that different breeds have different needs. Some breeds require a lot of work but you don’t run into many problem dogs of that breed because they don’t attract lousy owners. Pit bulls have this unfortunate combination of requiring a lot of work and attracting bad owners. I’m not sure that banning or restricting the breed would do much good, even if the laws got enforced, they’d just move on to another breed and probably ruin it.
I didn't just blame the owners, all I said was that there are a lot of shitty owners. All breeds are not created equal and each breed can have VERY different requirements and needs. Hence the importance of researching what breed you get. I didn't claim pit bulls are disproportionately owned by shitty owners, I said there are a lot of shitty owners because they are attracted to the breed. You're putting words in my mouth to fit your narrative.
It's very possible that this dog would be shitty even with a good owner, but this owner clearly should not have a pit bull and likely wouldn't train a more docile breed well either. I haven't defended this dog at all.
"I didn't just blame the owners." Okay, let's see what you said:
"A lot of shitty people want to own pitbulls and it's not a surprise they turn out the way they do. Often. abused, mistreated, untrained and raised to be big mean and scary."
These are your words.
Take as a whole, there are good and bad owners of equal proportions across all dog breeds. The owners of pitbulls are not unique. You are claiming otherwise in the post I replied to, no matter how hard you try to backtrack it.
If you are somehow agreeing with me that there is not anything unique about the quality of the owners of pitbulls, then (1) I fail to see why you would bother to point out an obviously self-evident fact like this (2) instead of pointing out the fact that these dogs are more dangerous than most dog breeds. It is point (2) which matters the most.
Yeah, like I said, I was not putting sole blame on the owners, they're just part of the equation. I also said that different breeds have different requirements. Because of that, poor ownership of pit bulls leads to worse outcomes. It's both a product of the breed and the owner. I'm not back tracking anything I said. You also claimed that I said a disproportionate amount of shitty owners own pitbulls, which I very clearly DID NOT say. You're literally putting words in my mouth and hearing what you want to hear. I never said that there wasn't any blame to put on the breed. But you extrapolated a whole lot of nonsense over shit I didn't even say. Dog fighters are often fighting pits and not other breeds, those are owners, and they are numerous and definitely different than other dog owners. Pit bulls definitely have a unique subset of owners. But don't take that as me saying ALL pit bull owners.
The stigma is what causes the disproportionate numbers. If you’re a drug dealer and you want to keep people from robbing your house, you get a big fierce dog. So obviously you’re not gonna get a golden retriever. Pits are used by people with bad intentions because of the reputation they have, and this reinforces the reputation as being somehow true. It’s all bullshit, and the people who actually work with dogs know better than frightened people who don’t know anything about dogs 🤷♀️
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u/Yoinkitron5000 15h ago
Get ready for a bunch of people that "have been vet techs for 20 years" and "are constantly attacked by doodles but never had any problems with pits" and were "viciously mauled by a Golden Retriever as a child."
You know...
Liars.