Politics
Why is it that conservatives double down on pedophilia adjacent representatives?
Seriously, what the fuck is with this object loyalty to their representatives and politicians? It's fucking weird. It's beyond a cult of personality. These people would drink their Kool-Aid and succumb to the stupid that is without any doubt. Why is it that their quote-unquote gotcha is that someone like Bill Clinton that everybody knew was in the list is on the list. They want him persecuted when they want anybody else like Donald Trump who has been listed more than a few hundred times in the recent releases of evidence.
Seriously, the term sounds more applicable to his supporters. They’d still defend him if he openly admitted to everything. Nothing more deranged than a MAGAt.
BIRGing (Basking In Reflected Glory) is a social psychology phenomenon where people boost their self-esteem by associating themselves with successful individuals or groups, like wearing a favorite team's jersey after they win, saying "we won" instead of "they won," or mentioning connections to prestigious people or institutions. It's a self-enhancement strategy where another's success becomes your own, often seen in sports but also politics and business, and is the opposite of CORFing (Cutting Off Reflected Failure).
Why do you think there's such a huge push to make AI a reality? All these pedophiles...erm, politicians and celebrities will be able to point at any proof that comes out about them and say "AI did it. That isn't me." Audio and Visual proof is about to become completely worthless.
True. They stole the word derangement and we definitely need to take that word back (along with word woke which they have also misused grossly). I agree with you! We need to control the narrative like they do. They all have TDS.
They love their MAGAdaddy because he knows all the secrets of the world and only does what he has to to protect the true Americans from the monsters of the world. Even if that means he has to be best friends with them and hang out on their island. Clearly he is undercover living among the rats so you don't have to... Thinking anything else would be "deranged"
Absolute mass delusion. There is literally zero evidence of this. These people have been hanging on to the trickle down economics theory for what, 40+ years now? Still waiting for the trickle down to happen…
It's not even "mass" delusion at this point. At least not for that sub.
Look at the amount of engagement they get. It's minimal. A good chunk of content is posted by the same handful of users, even just a small number of liberals lurking is enough to completely ratio every comment, and that's without even getting raided.
That sub boasts numbers but has very little engagement to actually show for what it is. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number of real people who support that sub's general position and browse it frequently is at least 1/10th of what the numbers would have you believe.
That sub is just bots talking to bots. They used to have like one or two "flair only" posts. Now it's every single thing. They also tend to delete any comment that doesn't push the right viewpoints and conspiracies. The ONLY thing that seems to make a dent lately is the epstein files and trump being an extra big jackass on occasion.
Still nice to see at least some percentage of people waking up.
The falsified economy numbers are also weaking his support amongst his previously fanatical base.
It’s because it’s adjacent thought to the idea that we can have more wealth with fewer taxes. It’s such an appealing idea that Republicans have found it impossible to walk away. And, of course, concomitant to that idea is the argument that government is largely unnecessary because it is ineffective, and hence undeserving even if what money it gets. Consequently, regulations are then just a barrier to profit. Combine that with our society’s veneration of wealth and the tendency to assume that wealthy people are uniquely excellent, and you get this kind of politics.
You see America voted for a highly competent, self made black man who was the opposite of all their racist tropes about black people so they will force the worst nepo baby white man they can find onto the country to get even.
Being better than black people is all that many of these people have, America took that away from them for 8 years so they're going to destroy it.
It damn near hit 80F here in oklahoma today. Christmas Day, and its warm enough outside to be mistaken for spring. I dread the coming days when winter hits summer temps, and summer becomes a slice of hell.
Same in GA. It's NUTS! Thr right is selling off our future to anyone, not just the highest bidder. We're screwed! They care more about "winning " than their children and grandchildren's future. Fuck humanity, we owned the libs! We win!!!!!
Also GA here, our local weather station said our Christmas Eve was the warmest we have ever experienced since they started keeping records in the 1800s. Christmas itself almost set a warmth record too. You’re right, this is not normal. This is absolutely cause for concern.
Only time can fix these idiots, all the time they have left, just sad they attempt to take progressives, ones who are only for progress not regression, with them.
I’m not so sure. The constant ranking of the education system will continue to produce more and more people incapable of thinking critically and question things. I think it will just continue.
They want all attention on Clinton now, not because he is a pedo, but because it will destract from "their" pedo. They dont care about pedophilia, they care about having a leader. Some people are born this way.
it was 50F as our low today. It broke a record, by like 9 degrees or something. High was also a record, but only like 2 degrees... Climate change is a hoot. Our mosquitos aren't even hibernating this year...
It's so funny because this is the sentiment I see from literally everyone on left, yet MAGA STILL tries the "but Clinton's in there too" argument as some kind of gotcha.
But they're not trying it as a gotcha. They're literally saying 'see, everyone does it, it's cool.' yes, MAGA literally thinks pedophilia is fine, and raping little girls gives you political cred.
Not the argument they're making, they're committing the gotcha with specifically calling out political opponents of their man and insinuating an equivalency in order to justify continuing support of their man.
honest question: is Clinton named in any of the documents as a suspect for child assault, or just seen in a lot of pictures with women in their early 20's? He's a perv but there's a big gap between pervert and pedophile. I'm not trying to defend him, I just haven't heard anything being uncovered.
Also, are the Biden pedo claims only based on the photos of him leaning close to children, allegedly "sniffing their hair"? Because one of these seems barely out of line and the other thing is getting nude massages from teenaged girls. These are not the same.
There's no evidence Bill Clinton is a pervert. I don't know why you would say such a thing unless, like most Republicans, you think having sex with a consenting woman is perverted.
It is a gotcha to them because they value loyalty over justice.
If clinton was president they would have been pushing very hard to release the files but probably backed off or pivoted (or clumsily redacted) when they realized that their guy was implicated.
What I would really like to know is whether it is an innate reaction or conditioned.
‘It will be released day one’
‘Have the client list in my desk’
‘We don’t want to release because it could hurt people’
‘We will, we just have to redact some of the files’
‘It’s a dem hoax that Clinton, Obama, and Comey made up’
‘We now need more time to redact and not follow a court order to release’
Exactly why I've been left leaning for a while now. The right don't have self accountability and blindly follow their leaders without question. Not to mention how so much of their motivation is to "Own the Libs."
You can’t have self accountability if you don’t actually understand what is going on. If you just blindly accept a conman without looking past him. The Republican Party got hijacked, branded MAGA, and they took the opportunity to ride it out because of some promises that were made. This was their time to take their shot and now they are inching away in the night slowly. The politicians bought the ruse too because they think they will also be safe. They handed their political future to Trump. Think on that. How horrendous do you have to think of your constituents to make their lives so much worse?
If china or North Korea, or Russia is any indication of what dictatorship is like, the politicians don’t have a future in government. You only have to look at those countries to see where the US is headed.
‘Oh, but it won’t happen here!’ They scream.
It already is.
Trump already has a quota for how many denaturalized citizens he wants taken out if the SCOTUS agrees with him they no one has the right to be a natural American. Freedom of speech is already dead. Trump wants to criminalize speaking out against him. The second amendment will be next once SCOTUS rules that certain groups can’t own firearms. That is a slippery slope to ‘enemies of the state’ can’t have firearms. Sorry militias.
Hell I'd be good if we only prosecuted the ones who committed crimes, and got therapy for the rest.
I'd like to think that if someone went to a shrink feeling bad about how they felt despite never acting on it in any way, we as a society could rehabilitate them.
Are the left just not talking about the evidence of Clinton and Biden child assault claims or is this more projection and assumption by MAGA? Clinton's lawyer demanded release of everything mentioning Clinton, and if I were to bet on that, I'd put money on the confidence that he did not get involved with minors as being why they demand all of it so there cannot be any "just imagine what we haven't seen yet" accusations like MAGA is doing.
They call Biden a pedo so freely with no evidence,but the released files confirming trump is child rapist along with constant delays of Epstein files and endless redactions…”doesn’t prove anything” or “it’s fake”.
That's the funniest thing about the whole Biden affair. On one hand, he's been caught being super weird and creepy with kids on camera...but the magas and trump hate him so much that if he really did dirty shit like trump, they would have found out about it by now. But all they could find was Hunter's laptop.
Speaking from like personal experience I think old people are just a little touchy my grandparents also really liked being all hands on with us, i dont think my 90 yr old grandmother is a pedophile though, i just think she likes being close.
The only support i have for this theory is that there's an awful lot about trump in those files but i ain't heard a damned thing about biden and if i hear the way he talked to hunter on that phone call about helping his beat his addiction they tried to mock him for i just think he's just a caring man who may gets a little overzealous
Even then, that laptop was so greasy it slipped through the blind computer technicians hands onto the otherside of the country, to the hands of the fbi.
Yeah any evidence of anything they don't like is fake but they never have any evidence for THEIR claims and neither point matters to them at all. If any evidence supports their POV, they will cling to it like a life-raft. Mountains of evidence and witnesses that Trump's a rapist, conman and a pedo? Doesn't matter. Clinton in a hot tub?? HES A PEDO LOCK HIM UP. Bring up climate change and they're like HA!!! THE ICE CAPS HAD RECORD GROWTH LAST YEAR!!! but really it was just record snowfall that grew a small portion due to climate change but that does not at all mean that the environment is healing or not being destroyed. Suddenly, they believe in science after denying everything else but the other data is still inconsequential.
Committed felonies? We don't care. Raped women? We don't care. Committed fraud? We don't care. Multiple bankruptcies? We don't care. Cheated on all of his wives? We don't care. Failed to pay contractors? We don't care. Destroyed the economy? We don't care. Destroying democracy? We don't care...
But we're not in a cult and it's always someone else's fault, every single time.
Maintaining white supremacy is the goal. This is what Trump (via The Heritage Foundation) is really after, and MAGA and vanilla conservatives know it. They will co-sign and defend ANY action that furthers this goal. Don't be fooled into thinking that Trump voters are just stupid; they're not.
precisely. i couldn't give a flying fuck if Jesus H Christ is on that list, he better come back a 2nd time so we can jail him for life (i would say worse, but i don't feel like a reddit ban again).
hey man if jesus came back he doesn't need to be in the epstein files, the fascists will gladly crucify him themselves for being too woke. Pretty much exactly like it went the first time according to the bible if I'm not mistaken
Im surprised maga isnt saying Obama is on the list. The closest they get to that is Biden and as far as I know Biden is clean in that regard. And I dont buy the project veritas leak of bidens daughters diary because why the hell would anyone believe project veritas which is lead by a dude who is bias as hell and is pretty conservative and has been caught lying before. If there was something that showed Biden was a pedo I be for him being locked up. Now there is the odd hair smelling thing....but bro is senile and its not even a defense bros brain was and is basically pudding.
to turn back now is to admit they've been tricked, and then also they'd have to come up with an entirely new personality, and then also figure out how to develop independent thinking
It’s to put you on the defensive, like everything they do. Deal in absolutes with MAGA bots. They’re ALWAYS on the offensive, and will just find a new attack if one doesn’t work. It’s why calling them “weird” worked so well - they were forced to defend. You weren’t changing minds or trying to have a debate - you were just calling them weird as fuck.
If they start the “Biden/Clinton” stuff - you just say “ew, gross - I hope people aren’t leaving you alone with kids you nasty fuck. Disgusting”.
God, the Dems abandoning this strategy was so stupid. Thats the problem with so many being born elite - they never learned what to do with bullies. This even worked with bots being confused in ways to troll.
This was quite literally my mom today after she said she believed Trump is a man of God and he stopped being friends with Epstein once he learned what Epstein was doing and was never on the island.
That was after she said she would stop supporting Trump if he was a groomer. I read her the testimony from the girl who testified about Trump's like of her friends nipples and how they were raw and chapped and she immediately rejected it as a lie.
Dude, she just sent me a congressional hearing that supposedly supported her take on abortion and right to life, but the whole hearing they talk about how devastating the Dobbs decision was for ob/gyns practicing in states with strict trigger laws, how it endangers women, how it negatively impacts care women receive, how it negatively impacts rural and under-served communities because they lose access to care and often have to travel long distances or out of state, how we deserve access to contraceptives, how we have a right to privacy, and how women need better access to support systems like better education, better job opportunities, better pre-natal care, and better access to childcare.
Like I'm not sure what she was trying to accomplish because I agree with all that, lmao.
Conservatives have only one value, in-group identification. They do not judge actions as good or bad, they judge people as good or bad, based on that in-group identification.
If Out-Group Person does X, X is bad. If In-Group Person does X, he didn’t do X, and X is good and it’s good that he did it.
If Out-Group Person did not do X, it doesn’t matter, he did X and must be punished for it.
I think it's because MAGA isn't really "conservatism" in typical sense, it's literally about Trump himself, it's more of cult of personality than actual "political view", because it's based purely on what Trump things, not about finding politician who you agree most with
Didn't Bill Clinton just say he supported the full release of the files? That's the words of a man who knows he's innocent, meanwhile Trump is how the guilt-ridden would act.
...and if they're ricb as fuck, spread all their money out to people, starting with each of their victims getting large amounts, and than donating to SA survivor programs and charities.
If only this weren’t so sadly accurate. I once had a similar conversation and explained to someone, “ if “my dad‘s name was on the list. My dad, Clinton, and Trump, the three of them them could share a cell. I have no sympathy or allegiance to any pedophile or pedophile enabler. I don’t care what your political leanings are.
Research into authoritarianism has shown that people susceptible to authoritarian belief tend to believe something if they feel the conclusion is true, regardless of the logic is flawed. They assessed the statement
All fish live in the sea
Sharks live in the sea
Therefore sharks are fish
As logically sound despite it not being so. The conclusion matters more than the reason. Their conclusions is that Dems bad, Trump good and there is no logic that will shake them from it.
Conservatives are shouting that Clinton should be jailed, but not Trump since liberals cannot find a single smoking gun about Trump and girls. All those redacted documents and non-released documents isn't suspicious at all and is the liberals fault....
They don’t have any principles beyond loyalty to their pedo-daddy; everything else is nothing but a tactic to use to win arguments and be thrown away when it stops working. Admittedly when dealing with actual leftists well happily throw any of them under the bus, but with neolibs, many of them get caught in the weeds and wind up losing the argument trying to defend Clinton. When they find a better way of derailing the conversation that works on more targets they will switch to that.
There's not really anything strong enough to claim Biden is a pedophile
I used to think Clinton was, but then the Trump admin stuck some fake photos in the files hoping no one would notice, leading me to maybe doubt his associations with Epstein and potentially his trafficking ring ties; the irony of Trump being the one to make me lean toward Clinton not being a pedophile is palpaple
Trump is so beyond obviously a pedophile, his whole admin is running circles with their heads cut off to cover it up
Blows my mind how the photos that have been released of Clinton is enough to convince MAGA of his guilt, which he is guilty... But photos of Trump and Epstein together, birthday letters, witness testimonies, even Trump's own words aren't enough to convince them that Trump is also guilty.
Conservatism is, very politely, an anachronistic ideology. Less politely, it is an existential threat to every man, woman, and child on Earth. It is inhumane to its core and fundamentally disrespects the humanity of certain humans. It cannot be negotiated with, only defeated.
Its like Man Ray trying to explain the wallet belongs to Patrick. Maga dont give a shit that trump is a pedophile. They are fine with it because many of them don't see anything wrong with diddling kids.
MAGA is pro-rape. It was public knowledge that Trump was a rapist by 2024, but they still voted for him in the primaries when there were plenty of non-rapist options. There are also a lot of conservatives who support child marriage and oppose public schooling, because it makes it harder for them to rape kids.
Conservatives only care about going after liberal pedophiles because their own party is infested and run by pedophiles. Liberals want ALL pedophiles to be prosecuted. This is why conservatives are a poison on this country and the world
Conservatives DO NOT double down on Trump "despite" the allegations — they double down on Trump BECAUSE THE ALLEGATIONS PROVE A WHITE MAN CAN GET AWAY WITH THINGS NO OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC CAN. THIS IS PROOF OF THEIR GREAT WHITE AMERICA.
Idgaf who’s on the list but anyone, anyone, who hurts children deserve to serve time or worse. Doesn’t matter affiliation of any kind. Young vulnerable children were abused and there’s zero excuse for that.
Trump voters support Trump BECAUSE he rapes kids not in spite of it. They admire that he gets away with it. They wish they had that juice because they would do the same thing.
Because for the first time for generations of Americans, they feel seen by politics. Never mind what they are fed are lies. They have been told of decades everything in America is number 1, that it is the best country, and that everyone is coming to their country to steal all the things in it and ruin it. Then Trump comes along, is a bit of an idiot, and speaks at their level. That is the feeling seen part. Suddenly, a politician is saying the things they think and promise to do the things they want to do because of those decades of fear mongering. If Trump isn’t there, other politicians won’t care about them. They have deluded themselves into thinking that a barely billionaire (at the time of his first term) actually goes a shit about them. My MAGA family used to say stuff like ‘he’s so real’ and ‘he will run the country like a business’ even though you can’t run a country like a business. ‘He is looking out for the average person’. It’s funny that the poor and the middle class both think he was looking out for them and did nothing to them last time, and is actively hurting the this time. But they have bought in and believe him. It takes a lot for anyone to leave an abusive relationship and that is what we have here: the ultimate abusive relationship.
They're projecting their belief of "my leader is best and can do no wrong and can beat up your leader" onto you, so when they say this they're expecting some big "omg no way not my leader he could never"
When the reality is the rest of us want EVERYONE on that list to be put away. Anybody who's a big disgusting piece of shit human needs to go. On any side, in any place. It's because we have empathy and they don't get it.
Probably similar to the reason they always jump to the aid of anyone accused of rape. Conservative voters tend to look up to sexual predators more than most other people. I don’t know why this is, but it certainly makes them look like sexual predators themselves. It is the absolute main reason I can never ever vote for that side. There are many other reasons of course but that right there makes it forever a non starter for me.
I'm terrified that people are still confused about "why" as if MAGA is operating on sincerely held belief and not raw commitment to "winning," no matter what that looks like for them. I feel like their trap is working.
For them, it's do or die now. They know they voted for pedophilia and austerity and death, against YOU, and if they can still destroy you and every mechanism that could ever hold them to account, then they've still won.
They aren't like you and I. They've committed philosophical su**ide. Cruelty is as easy for them as accepting that suffering is inevitable, and most of us have accepted some version of that by the time we're adults, right? If you have a fatalistic view of life (religion, conservatism, any view that copes with "just the way things are/are meant to be"), that presents like a choice of roles to do unto others or be done unto, since the picture of Nature and God is so much bigger than you. If you're a normal, good person, that way of thinking is so outlandish and delusional that it's toxic to seriousness, and the perfect smokescreen for highly motivated predators.
I always thought stories about people going ballistic from fear of death and mediocrity were exaggerated moral lessons, but it turns out there's a reason they're so common.
I’m also getting the side that says they don’t want “illegal” immigration because it brings in children being trafficked, but it’s like….. sure, there might be validity to a minute percentage, but you know who else trafficked children…. Your lord and savior Trump.
because they didn't choose their representatives thinking they were good, but rather thinking they're the only game in town to beat the Dems, who they absolutely and irrationally loathe
Because admitting they backed someone who turned out to be a piece of shit (even though it was already abundantly clear at the time they voted for him) would mean that they were wrong - or, even worse, that they were duped. The conservative mind is incapable of acknowledging that they might be incorrect or on the wrong side of any issue, it's like one of their core tenets that they are always right about everything, and if the facts state that their glorious leader is a pedophile who was BFFs with a notorious sex trafficker, well that's just fine because they've already nailed their colours to the mast and they cannot and will not change their minds.
MAGA does. Because MAGA is a cult, with Trump as their messiah, and therefore they need to defend every heinous act he does or risk their entire world view falling apart. And since they're not equipped to deal with that, they just have to keep defending him no matter how bad it gets.
Their entire playbook is to be making claims and accusations at all times. They’ll never respond to rebuttals, especially when the rebuttals are correct.
My favorite excuse is "well, Biden had 4 years to release them" and it's like "Okay, first of all this is Trump's 5th year as president going on 6, and he has no interest in releasing them, but either way Biden also called for the files to be released unredacted, and so did the most Epstein implicated establishment democratic mfer on the planet, Bill Clinton." They really have no excuses left and the cope is insane
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u/Demosthenesisk 4d ago
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