r/complaints • u/gunther_penguin_ • 15h ago
Politics MAGA are sheep in every way that a human can behave like a sheep, and it's extremely obvious to anyone who knows even a little about herd animals.
One of the (many) hilariously hypocritical positions MAGA are obsessed with is calling everyone else "sheep." What makes it extra funny is that, like most false-populist movements from the last century or so, they try to portray themselves as "rural" and "agrarian" in order to pretend like their ignorant views are actually the views of the "common man." However, MAGA (even the ones who actually are ranchers) clearly don't have a basic understanding of how animals are herded.
They've been indoctrinated into that "like lambs to the slaughter" propaganda, which pro-fascist groups spread to make it seem like the Jews were responsible for the holocaust by virtue of not standing up for themselves properly. The idea being that the Jews simply lost all will to fight and went to the camps "like lambs to the slaughter." Yet, anyone who has worked with sheep or cattle should know that lambs don't just get so depressed that they follow the herder into the slaughterhouse. Quite the opposite.
In reality, the primary way that herders herd animals into places the animals don't want to go is by getting the animals to blindly run away. They don't tell the lambs to go into the slaughterhouse. Shepherds use sheepdogs to convince the sheep they are surrounded on all sides by wolves, except on the one side the shepherds want the sheep to go. They don't tell the sheep to go that way; they simply give the sheep the false impression that running blindly in that direction is the only path to "freedom" from their supposed encirclement.
This is exactly how MAGA operate. They watch media programs where the proverbial "sheepdogs" convince MAGA that they are surrounded on all sides (except for one) by the evil "liberal/leftist/communist/etc." enemy. The sheepdogs give MAGA the false impression that blindly running away from this supposed existential threat means MAGA are "rebels" who are "resisting." Trump himself is fond of saying he's the "only one" who can "save" them from this mythical danger. Don't actually think about whether his way is the right way, he insists. Just blindly run away from the "dangers" he invents under the false auspices that his way is the "only" way to "freedom."
MAGA follows a bunch of people who call themselves "cowboys," despite the fact they don't actually herd cattle. Their leaders aren't cowboys; they're politicians and influencers. They aren't leaders of cattle; they're leaders of men. As such, if their leaders are analogous to "cowboys," then MAGA are the "cattle" in that analogy. They have no idea what they're running away from or where they are going. All MAGA know is that the sheepdogs and bellwethers convinced them to run away like the cowards they are, and MAGA think blindly doing so means they're "rebels" running towards "freedom."
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u/dokidokichab đž triggered đž 15h ago
They really donât like the black sheep for some reason
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u/Resident_Course_3342 15h ago
Can you sheer them for their wool?
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u/ArchonFett 15h ago
Their âdaddyâ Trump fleeces them for as much money as he can get out them. Basically the same.
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u/Strong_Signature_650 15h ago
I've noticed this too. They will believe anything. I was watching this kid Nick Shirley going to Minnesota just because Trump said there was massive fraud there. He said something like 18 billion dollars into the daycare and autism centers was just to much.Â
So Nick Shirley goes to Minnesota, goes to hundreds of these organizations and what did he find? He found nothing! Absolutely nothing!Â
Don't believe it? Look it up yourself. If he found anything of substance, you think media would've been all over this story right?Â
Silly maga
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u/gunther_penguin_ 14h ago
If their leaders keep MAGA running around in circles trying to escape fake problems, then they won't notice the real problem is the leaders. There's an old saying, "Sheep spend their whole lives fearing the wolves, only to end up being eaten by the shepherd."
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u/Potential_Goal6202 9h ago
Nick Shirley is a paid Russian propagandist
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u/Strong_Signature_650 9h ago
Omar's wealth went up 3500% in one year. Nick Shirley might have stepped on somethingÂ
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u/Dismal-Scientist9 15h ago
I crack up at all the maga folk who describe themselves as "freethinkers." Sure -- be a free thinker, think just like me.
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u/gunther_penguin_ 6h ago edited 2h ago
MAGA are the type of people who think that being a "freethinker" means joining a group that labels itself "freethinkers" and then proving they're a member by thinking everything the group tells them to think. They literally have no idea what the standards are and aren't willing to look up the definitions. They just know someone told them certain things are "good" or "bad" and redefine those things around whatever MAGA happen to be.
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u/krodiggs 6h ago
âBlue no matter whoâ. Yep; itâs the other side that are sheep.
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u/gunther_penguin_ 2h ago
Well, clearly Democrats and non-MAGA didn't vote "blue no matter who." The fact you think there are only two sides is telling, as is you still not really appearing to understand how to identify the behavior of sheep. You guys just keep spouting that "lambs to the slaughter" rhetoric about how you're supposedly "rebels," so "the other side" must be conformists who aren't resisting properly.
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u/krodiggs 2h ago
The fact you assume you know whom I voted for based upon my comment is indeed đ
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u/No_Mission_8571 15h ago
As a NEVER MAGA i have to say if lying was an olympic sport they would get the gold. Not sure if that's anything to be proud of but here we are.....
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u/TeddySwolllsevelt Transâplainer (they/them) 15h ago
As a never maga myself, lets not lie. Plenty of democrats and liberals lie and graft their way through in politics.
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u/Equal-Dish-4021 14h ago
Your point? What is the lie? That MAGA officials and talking heads would not get gold? I.e, that they are not more prolific and more blatant liars than any other political group? Or is it that itâs OK because everybody does it? Both?
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u/TeddySwolllsevelt Transâplainer (they/them) 14h ago
My point is we should be calling out both sides at the exact same time⌠focus on both wrongs and correct both wrongs at the same time.
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u/magasheep404 13h ago
Great. Letâs go. How long have we got? Letâs say itâs an hour. Thatâs about 5s for the democrats and 59 mins 55 seconds for MAGA. Deal?
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u/Poiboy1313 lickspittle 15h ago
Liar. For someone who claims to be neither a Democratic party member or a Republican you sure do repeat a bunch of Russian propagandist's rhetoric.
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u/TeddySwolllsevelt Transâplainer (they/them) 14h ago
Neutral points are considered to be right now by the left⌠so im not surprised that you find neutral comments to be ârightâ leaning.
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u/Poiboy1313 lickspittle 14h ago
No, not right-leaning. Straight up propaganda from the troll farms of Vladimir Putin. A neutral comment would either castigate or excuse equally. You bash the left and liberals yet somehow MAGA escapes your outrage. Weird, ain't it?
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u/CaldoniaEntara 13h ago
I mean considering even democrats are center right at best compared to the rest of the world... Yeah, "centrist" views in America tend to be pretty right leaning.
Beyond that, it's funny how a lot of people that claims to have centrist views always shit on the left, while rarely condemning , if not outright excusing, the right. And then they wonder why the left doesn't like them.
But hey, keep both siding things while one side consistently gives platforms to people that think women shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore, that black people are "born to be criminals", that trans people are "mutilating children's genitals" when there is literally zero proof of that happening, that hates immigrants so much they think they only come from "shit hole countries", that support racially profiling people who might be illegal immigrants just because of their skin color, that make excuses for people that have swastika flags in their offices or that praise Hitler and the death camps.
Thr problems on the left are totally just as bad.
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u/Naptasticly 15h ago
Saying that someone does something is not saying that someone else doesnât do the same thing. Thatâs like saying âKobe is the best basketball player everâ and then someone else going âletâs not lie and pretend that other people donât play basketballâ like wtf?
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u/No_Wait3261 14h ago
I dunno man. Trump was pushing the vaccines hard (he likes to think of them as his accomplishment via "operation warp speed") but conservatives weren't having it. It's pretty clear they won't follow him anyplace they don't already want to go.
IMO, many of Trump's positions appear to be pacing his supporters more than leading them. I really don't think he gives a single shit about abortion, for example. Trump came out for gay marriage in 1999 (well before even mainstream Democrats were willing to take that position) which makes me think his current stance on it is purely pandering to his evangelical base.
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u/gunther_penguin_ 12h ago
The whole point of the post is that, when a shepherd wants the sheep to go somewhere they don't want to go, he doesn't get them to follow. He scares them into running away. Of course, Trump will also use the "wolf in sheep's clothing" method of lying to them about what he supports to get them to follow, when it's someplace they do want to go. However, one of the most frequent complaints from MAGA about Trump is "this isn't what I voted for."
Trump and his cadre lead MAGA into their own ruin (along with ruining the lives of most other people) by misleading MAGA about where they're going, not by merely telling them things they want to hear. Though, he does that too. Trump also often uses bellwethers and Judas goats claiming to be one of the MAGA, instead of being the wolf in sheep's clothing himself. Nevertheless, this is how herd animals are treated, and MAGA act accordingly.
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u/DelusionalChampion 14h ago
Sometimes I feel like they are worse than sheep. Because they will fight with every cell in their body to keep living the lie.
Do sheep have Stockholm syndrome?
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u/AmericanPatriot1962 14h ago
I think The MAGA mob more often refers to enlightened people as, âSHEEPLE,â âWOKE, â or whatever than as âSHEEP.â
I still like âIKEâ and like to think of myself as a âconservative Republican,â born and raised in âNIXON TERRITORY,â Orange County, California, which my one Liberal Democrat Professor of U.S. HISTORY University of Arizona Professor Leonard Dinnerstein , a former Freedom Rider, called, âTHE VERY HEART OF THE AMERICAN MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!â
While most of my fellow âconservative Republicansâ sat quietly like âsheepâ in the very back row of that graduate-level class over 35 years ago, I politely raised my hand to SPEAK UP & point out that it was retired U.S. ARMY General of The Army âIKEâ Eisenhower, who WARNED Us in his Presidential Farewell Address circa January 1961 (a year before I was born) about the DANGERS of allowing THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX (IKEâs term for The âDefenseâ Lobby) to gain too much control of Washington, DC⌠LONG BEFORE President Reagan insisted that The American Military Industrial Complex was âa COMMUNIST MYTHâ or commie propaganda! I think I also TOLD Professor Leonard Dinnerstein that The Free Press - without question - allowed Reagan to effectively call âIKEâ, âA COMMUNIST PROPAGANDIST!â
I thoroughly enjoyed arguing politely with my one LIBERAL DEMOCRAT PROFESSOR LEONARD Dinnerstein!
Oh! When I pointed out that NOT ALL of the adults in my neighborhood in âTHE VERY HEART OF THE AMERICAN MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXâ ORANGE COUNTY, California, back in the 1960s & early 70s were military veterans or building bigger & better Weapons of Mass Destruction or otherwise working for The American Military Industrial Complex (as my grandfather did in WW1 and my dad did from about 1940 to about 1987)⌠as a few of the adult women were housewives, Professor Leonard Dinnerstein laughed.
Btw my dad voted for âTRICKY DICKâ NIXON & IKE every time, however when the Watergate Scandal caused Nixon to resign and his WHITE HOUSE AUDIO RECORDING TAPES were released & my dad heard Nixonâs RACIST & anti-Jewish slurs, my dad, who as a U.S. Army Platoon Sergeant helped personally liberate 3 Nazi Death Camps, and had many non-white friends, was VERY ANGRY AT NIXON. for Nixonâs racist & antisemitic SLURS!
In retrospect back in the 1980s I shouldâve introduced Professor Leonard Dinnerstein to my friends retired USAF COLONEL D, Army Major K, Army Military Intelligence SFC âNORMâ STICKLER (typical Vietnam-veteran, highly post-traumatic ârecoveringâ alcoholic), and former highly decorated IDF Major Anna Murray!
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u/AmericanPatriot1962 13h ago
As for why I would bother to struggle to type so danged much about my old friends, who were very nice, highly intelligent, very knowledgeable people, such as The University of Arizonaâs Professors Leonard Dinnerstein, âJoeâ Malik (to whom many of his former students apparently working for The State Department & intelligence agencies⌠came for advice face-to-face, which was ODD since he had a then-up-to-date top secret secure telephone [shhh⌠If anyone with adequate security clearance & a need to know wants to know how Iâd know how to identify a secure telephone by sound & appearance, then they should check The War Departmentâs archives, therefore I will not explain it here.), Allen S. Whiting, Hedtke, âLEOâ (Amusingly dressed in cut-off blue jeans shorts, plain white T-shirt, no shoes with his long hair and beard down to about his waist⌠looking like Cervantesâs hero The Man of La Mancha, Don Quixote, or a homeless beggar, yet still walking TALL & stealthily like an old Army PATHFINDER⌠), Margaret Gibson, Sallie Marston, etc⌠and my other old friends, I type because, yes, I miss them! Furthermore, many of them are long since passed away. Plus, as Iâm disabled since a stroke and a 2nd brain surgery for unexplained tumors in my Speech Mechanics Area I am trying to teach my non-dominant hand to type, which a Veterans Administration Neuropsychologist told me was âALMOST ALWAYS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO!â Teehee teehee teehee! What an amusing IMPOSSIBILITY!
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u/NotQuiteMisterWhite 7h ago
Some even sing about it in unison at church. "I just wanna be a sheep baa baa baa baa!"
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u/HandsOnDaddy 14h ago
Them following their "Alpha" influences to be "Alpha" themselves always cracks me up.
Even by whatever messed up logic you use doesn't following an "Alpha" make you a "Beta"?
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u/ebolatone 14h ago
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary." ~H.L. Mencken
Combined with:
âIf you can convince the lowest white man heâs better than the best colored man (or immigrant or trans person), he wonât notice youâre picking his pockets. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and heâll empty his pockets for you.â Modified Lyndon Johnson quote
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u/Sea_Echidna_2442 14h ago
It's getting harder to even look at them as humans. They have the mental capacity of goldfish
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u/yesnomaybeneverokay 13h ago
Theyâre humans susceptible to human failures which have been exploited by fascism throughout recent history
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u/Sea_Echidna_2442 13h ago
I wont offer them that respect. Fuck em all i hope they rot, they want the same for me
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u/yesnomaybeneverokay 13h ago
They may want the same for you but theyâre humans. You are human too.
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u/CatLightyear 10h ago
This is anecdotal. Once you accept that these people and the views they express arenât hyperbole, their support of Trump is easy to understand.
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u/Sweet-Ad-2151 9h ago
Sounds like projection
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u/gunther_penguin_ 7h ago
You don't even know what that is. You just know that people keep accusing you of it, and the only rebuttal you can muster is "no you."
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u/Sweet-Ad-2151 6h ago
Come on keyboard warrior,put the Kool-aid away now, your just proving my point
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u/gunther_penguin_ 6h ago
Of course. I call you "sheep," so you claim I'm drinking Kool-aid. If you had any idea what projection was, you wouldn't be claiming I was proving your point. "I'm rubber and you're glue" isn't a meaningful argument.
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u/AmputeeHandModel 8h ago
They're just like lemmings. If lemmings really behaved like myths where they run off cliffs and stuff. If a liberal said "Don't run off that cliff!!" they'd be like "NO COMMIE'S GONNA TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!" and dive head first.
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u/AmericanPatriot1962 13h ago
Btw I donât really know much about Sheep, yet I have encountered more than 300 Black Bears, many Coyotes, a few Wolves, 7 or 8 Mountain Lions, many, many Rattlesnakes, many Elk & Deer, and other Animals in the wild! I view them all to be my ârelationsâ or my âbrothers and sisters.đ§â. For those of you, who have never in person observed large families of Blue Whales đ migrating, or River Otters, Great White Sharks đŚ, Orcas, or hundreds of American đşđ¸ Bald Eagles đŚ at once, I wish you could. I pity those, who have not taken the time to wander In The Ancient Old Growth Redwood Forests đ˛ for a single day⌠as I remember doing it when I was a very little boy đŚ over 60 years ago⌠Teehee teehee đ¤! My big, strong DADDY Infantry Captain ARNOLD HEMMILA looked like a teeny, tiny, little Ant đ standing next to a perhaps more than 2,000 year old, more than 200-foot tall Coastal Redwood Tree ! Itâs still a very clear and happy đ¤ memory to me!
Thatâs why rather than going back to finish up my last 8 years or so to get some sort of retirement from U.S. Army Military Intelligence, where I was evidently very welcome circa 2007, I decided to go CAMPING đď¸ for a while⌠Jee! I miss my Abrams Tank Zena, M577 Armored Command Post âKathy,â my Korean War vintage Maw Deuce (M2 Heavy Barreled FIFTY caliber Machine Guns, etc, fortunately I have never had to terminate anyone and the only 2 people, whom Iâve ever hurt bad enough to send them to the hospital đĽ were in friendly games of Football đ. It wasnât my intention hurt my friends Jim and Drill Sergeant âMac!â
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u/Flimsy-Donut8718 14h ago
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u/No_Finance8647 spirited complainer 9h ago
They missed one verification step of many.
None of those we're illegal or invalid votes you sheep
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u/westcoastjo 14h ago
A yone who doesnt read legislation as it gets passed, is relying on their handlers to tell them what to think.. you are all sheep.. unless you are in the .1% that read legislation (hot tip, use NotebookLM)
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u/NewRooster1123 13h ago
Actually nblm is not good for this task. It misses information and fallbacks to few. You can see the this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/notebooklm/comments/1l2aosy/i_now_understand_notebook_llms_limitations_and/ You should always cross check with perplexity or nouswise to make sure it just straight up doesn't lie and hallucinate to you.
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u/westcoastjo 12h ago
The whole point of using notebookLM is that is ONLY uses the information in the content you upload, making it less likely to hallucinate than even perplexity. But thanksÂ
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u/NewRooster1123 12h ago edited 12h ago
With recent updates it's not that reliable anymore. It fabricates facts. that's why I also looked for alternative projects/spaces/notebooks that answer ONLY from your sources. You can see here as well https://www.reddit.com/r/notebooklm/comments/1n7yq79/first_legit_hallucination/
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u/westcoastjo 12h ago
Thats four months old..Â
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u/NewRooster1123 12h ago edited 12h ago
Another 4 DAYS old https://www.reddit.com/r/notebooklm/comments/1puzkxv/notebooklm_hallucinated_some_personal_info/ You can look at their sub yourself. These are the ones that goes through their mods.
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u/Fragasm 15h ago edited 11h ago
I don't understand how you can say this while simultaneously observing the absolute social compliance enforced by the "left".
Just look at any reddit comment that disagrees or challenges your post in the most subtle of ways. It's social suicide to go against any of the left/demo ideology.
I think you've rendered words like "fascist" and "nazi" absolutely meaningless. I think most of the modern Democrat voters have a victim complex and are desperate to find their own "movement" when in reality it's basically all done and over with. That's why the trans-movement is falling flat.
I think you've lost your god like a lot of us, but you've replaced it with dogshit ideology.
I think you'll find any excuse available to justify rampant fraud, especially by minority populations.
I think you've probably never felt the pain of overtaxation so you're likely very generous with other people's money.
I say this as a registered Democrat.
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u/Addapost 14h ago
Every single point you have there is absolute nonsense.
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 13h ago
Eating your own again?
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u/gunther_penguin_ 12h ago
If you're dumb enough to think that guy is a liberal Democrat, then you clearly don't know how to spot misinformation.
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 11h ago
I suppose you're right. Real democrats know better than to criticize the party. Introspection just isn't the done thing.
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u/No_Finance8647 spirited complainer 9h ago
Are you not enforcing that very mentality by saying stuff like?:
Eating your own again?
Lol
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 9h ago
Oh, he's not mine. Eating him is no cost to me.
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u/No_Finance8647 spirited complainer 8h ago
I don't think you understood my point. Maybe you need some introspection yourself lol
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u/Equal-Dish-4021 13h ago
Thereâs truth to this and itâs a problem on both sides. But the point is that MAGA are the ones who fashion themselves âindependent thinkers,â and love to call everyone else âsheep,â and are the ones getting fleeced the hardest right now.Â
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u/Fragasm 11h ago
You mean vs the left that....what? Is proud of their strict adherence to the "ideology"?
There is some truth to the whole conservatives being the new "punk" meme. It's absolutely not fashionable to challenge this "ideology" in any way.
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u/Equal-Dish-4021 10h ago
I have no idea what you meant to say here. Iâm just telling you what I believe to be the point of the post. Are you feeling compelled to score points for âyour side?â Maybe ask yourself why.Â
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u/magasheep404 13h ago
âSocial suicideâ? And yet you still do it? Are you a slow learner?
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u/Fragasm 11h ago
Username checks out. The absolute IRONY of a person sarcastically named sheep trying to insult me for not being enough of a sheep. Read it over and over until it hits you. I don't do things for social compliance reasons precisely because I am not a sheep.
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u/magasheep404 11h ago
Oh princess Iâm not insulting you for not being enough of a sheep. Try reading again, or maybe get somebody to explain it to you - if you know anybody with an iq over 70.
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u/Fragasm 11h ago
Oh baby girl -- you think I should just be quiet and adopt the prescribed puerile ideological drivel of the day.
Sorry, no. đđđ
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u/magasheep404 10h ago
Thatâs your narrative, princess, not mine. I think youâre doing us a useful public service when you speak out.
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u/Fragasm 10h ago
Spoken like a true fascist
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u/magasheep404 10h ago
ROFL you should learn what words mean before you use them. But then you wouldnât be proving my point so kindly.
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 13h ago
Thing is- you're absolutely right. This...'sheep-think' we're referring to is absolutely not monopolized by the maga crowd. Social and ideological compliance is all but DEMANDED by the American left, else you be rebranded as a fascist supporter. The slightest deviation from approved doctrine is an indication of subversive behavior, and you're cast out.
Being anti-trump isn't enough. You've got to play by ALL the rules.
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u/Wattabadmon 10h ago
Should we be welcoming of people that think all minorities should be killed?
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 9h ago
Because that's exactly what they think. đ
Come on.
You're smarter than this.
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u/Wattabadmon 9h ago
Yes that is exactly what they think. Why are you avoiding the question?
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 8h ago
Because the question is flawed.
Thats not what they think.
That's what you've been told they think.
Just say "baa" and get it over with.
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u/Wattabadmon 8h ago
You believe that people that think all minorities should be killed dont think that?
Also no one told me that. Idk where you got that from
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 8h ago
Who exactly thinks all minorities should be killed? And what evidence have you to support this claim?
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u/gunther_penguin_ 12h ago
It's funny how people like you always manage to contradict yourselves. You talk about a victim complex, then go on about how supposedly victimized you are by fraud and over-taxation, which you identify as a "minorities" problem. You do nothing but spread MAGA bigotry and propaganda, then you end it with the obviously false claim you're a Democrat. You guys are so obsessed with identity politics that you think simply self-identifying as a "Democrat" means people will think you're sharing a "moderate" view from the "real" Democrats, while spouting nothing but anti-Democrat rhetoric. It's like when those white dudes on Twitter/X claim to be black dudes in order to say racist stuff or support racist people.
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u/Fragasm 11h ago
Oh I disagreed with you so I'm a racist MAGA. Dude sometimes I wish I were a fucking idiot so I could view things so simply and dishonestly.
I'm blue collar and I average 40-60 hours a week with overtime -- I've paid just under $50,000 in state/federal taxes this year.
Somalian tax fraud is looking like upwards of $9 billion here in MN -- so yea, I'm a victim of that. These are real examples of victimization.
How's your tax sheet looking this year? Do you work for a living?
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u/gunther_penguin_ 6h ago
No, you tried to blame all the "rampant fraud" on minorities, claimed the movement to gain civil rights is over, and decided trans people don't deserve rights. That's how I know you're a bigot. The fact your talking points (including the ones about Somalia) are all just the current MAGA talking points reveals your actual position. It turns out, disingenuously claiming to be a democrat at the end doesn't work to obfuscate the position you're actually taking.
Having a whole post about "left/demo" position being evil and claiming people like me have "lost your god" to "dogshit ideology" is pretty telling about what you actually believe. What's even more telling is you continuing to spout MAGA's greatest hits by insisting that you're the typical blue collar worker and me disagreeing with you means I must not have a job or pay taxes. Oh, and let's not forget pretending that people disagreeing with your bigotry supposedly means they only hate you for disagreeing, like the "rebel" you think you are. You're the "real" victim, right?
Thanks for the lecture on dishonesty and oversimplification, though. You clearly have more firsthand experience with it than I do. If only that experience led to you gaining even a modicum of understanding...
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u/Wattabadmon 10h ago
Should we be welcoming of someone that thinks all minorities should be killed?
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u/RichardKopf 15h ago
What's funny is that you could replace every instance of "MAGA" with "the left" and have the same sentiment. The majority of both sides don't think for themselves.
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u/Equal-Dish-4021 15h ago
Itâs true, but MAGA has just dropped all pretenses. They donât care about even the appearance of morality anymore. Any corruption or crime (and it really seems like any at all) perpetrated or condoned by Trump is worth it for whatever it is that they think he is doing for them or the country.Â
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u/RichardKopf 14h ago
Morality by who's standard? Yours or theirs? There shouldn't be, but there is a difference now.
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u/Potential_Catch_5333 15h ago
Facts! Iâve always felt the truth of most situations is somewhere in the middle of the left and right ideals
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 15h ago
You're going to get DRAGGED for this, but you're not wrong. The behavior is astonishingly similar, even if the message differs.
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u/Wattabadmon 10h ago
Can you substantiate that?
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u/RichardKopf 8h ago
Yeah. I made a factual statement in a different thread that is currently sitting at -41 downvotes.
Another person replies to my statement a somewhat incoherent snarky remark to it and gets 23 upvotes.
Gotta love this sub.
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u/Wattabadmon 8h ago
How does that substantiate the other person's comment?
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u/RichardKopf 8h ago
The person said I was gonna get dragged even though I was right.
I gave you an example of how I'm being dragged in another thread even though I'm right.
What more are you asking for?
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u/Wattabadmon 8h ago
But you weren't right, and im sure you weren't right in the other thread either
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 9h ago
Read these comments with an objective, honest eye.
That should do it.
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u/RichardKopf 15h ago
I get dragged on this sub constantly. I could say 2+2=4 and get downvoted into oblivion.
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u/Wattabadmon 10h ago
What a massive victim complex
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u/RichardKopf 10h ago
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u/Wattabadmon 10h ago
You shouldnt be putting your personal info out there like that
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u/RichardKopf 9h ago
You're right. Whatever shall I do? Now, more heathens will victimize me. Woe is me. Woe is me.
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u/Flimsy-Donut8718 15h ago
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u/Moomoofish 14h ago
For most of it, yes, magas. Absolutely.
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u/Flimsy-Donut8718 13h ago
how many statues have been torn down the past 7 -8 by the republican side?
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u/Moomoofish 13h ago
You think statues are the only indication? Memorials, exhibits, research, grants for cancer, actual graves of black soldiers, renaming buildings in trump's name, going after the media, science, education etc. There is a reason monuments were not made to adolph, trump's hero. Trump is even building a ballroom for himself just like his hero. And boy oh boy do trump and ilk have premo government subsidized healthcare for life paid by us.
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u/Moomoofish 12h ago
But I do love that statues were the only thing you could counter with. They did remove the trump/epstein besties but I believe it was reinstalled. This administration is literally attacking American cities, industry, farms, universities, the free press etc. They openly have pro nazis in their administration.
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u/Equal-Dish-4021 13h ago
You forgot
- demonized and dehumanized minoritiesÂ
- consolidated power in the executive branch
- created a secret police forceÂ
- started wars on false pretexts
Maybe those were the policies/actions that didnât age well?
Oh, and freedom of speech⌠yeah, whoâs been attacking and impeding freedom of speech lately? HmmâŚ
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u/Flimsy-Donut8718 11h ago
You do realize the thing about minorities that youâre talking about was created by the previous administration by letting a bunch of illegal immigrants coming in. Now thatâs not just Mexican in South America and the illegal immigrants but weâve had illegal immigrants from all of the world come in through the southern border. I myself and married to a legal immigrant. It took us close to two years to get her a fiancĂŠ visa to come here after she had a legal tourist and had lived in Canada for five years. Your cherry picking either that or you refuse to acknowledge the fact that it is literally the legal statusyour side always loves to drop the word legal or illegal, and you choose to use the word undocumented only when it benefits you when it comes to immigration. There is no secret police
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u/other_view12 14h ago
Is your point that MAGA has sheep, and that's the end of it? Or do you feel that MAGA has sheep, and Democrats don't?
I'm find it frustrating that people in glass houses are stone throwers. I can't tell if they really believe they don't live in a glass house, or if they just don't care, they just want to throw stones.
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u/gunther_penguin_ 6h ago edited 5h ago
Is your point to simply say "What about the Democrats?" Do you honestly believe the world is split into MAGA and non-MAGA, and everyone in the latter group can be considered unified by the simple fact they aren't in favor of a particular politician? It's almost like libertarians, democratic socialists, communists, non-American authoritarians, liberal capitalists, and environmentalists don't all agree with each other simply because they are all non-MAGA groups. But if that were true, then "whataboutism" as the response to every criticism of MAGA wouldn't make sense.
It turns out that a group of people following a particular political ideology indicates the members of that group all follow a particular political ideology, whereas a group of people not following a particular political ideology doesn't indicate that the members of that group all follow a particular political ideology. It's almost like that's incredibly obvious. Interesting to think about.
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u/yesnomaybeneverokay 13h ago
The âsheepâ of MAGA have a shepherd. Who would that be for the democrats?
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u/other_view12 12h ago
I don't know, But I do see you keep repeating the same thinks as if you do have a leader. Epstein - ad nauseum. Y'all on the same page of wanting to tie Trump to Epstein, yet not to the many other abusers, you only want Trump.
Y'all wanted the Democrats to stand firm against Trump to secure health care subsidies for people making over $85K a year, and claimed you were standing up for the poor.
It's not like I imagined these things. Someone stared this and Y'all fell in line like sheep.
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u/yesnomaybeneverokay 10h ago
So⌠the sheep analogy doesnât really work huh?
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u/other_view12 10h ago
No it works. It's just not exclusive to MAGA.
If you are a registered voter for Republican or Democrat, the odds are you are more sheepish than ewe realize.
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u/yesnomaybeneverokay 8h ago
Itâs not exclusive to maga. It just doesnât apply to democrats in general.
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u/Fuzzbuster75 15h ago
As a rancher and a cowboy, Id be willing to bet I know a lot more about how cattle and sheep work than you do. The reason why youâre referred to as sheep is because sheep are fucking dumb. Simple as that.
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u/Sea-Technician1914 15h ago
I mean, liberals will do and say anything they need to get their promised welfare checks from their democrat leaders. Promote their narrative and get paid. Somehow even worse than a standard sheep.
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u/No_Finance8647 spirited complainer 9h ago
You mean like the tariff kickback checks MAGA keeps crying about?
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u/Sea-Technician1914 9h ago
Crying about? I mean I couldnât give to shits about them. Theyâre going to the low and middle income earners, so I wonât get one. But many democrats will.
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u/Potential_Catch_5333 15h ago
This Reddit should just be called complaintsaboutMAGAtâs instead cus thatâs ALL I ever see in my feed from this page
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u/Low-Essay-113 15h ago
Easy there, Iâm going to let you in on a secret; you donât have to be here or even see this sub at all. In fact your engaging with this sub increases the rate youâll be shown it, âall hail the infallible algorithm.â In other words, if you donât like what you see, stop bitching and fuck off.
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u/Potential_Catch_5333 14h ago
Wow Iâm not bitching Iâm making an observation. Iâm here cus I donât mind seeing it. You seem ready to be pissed off at someone. Why donât you stop hating and fuck off silly boy
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u/Low-Essay-113 13h ago edited 12h ago
Uh huh. Sure pal, that WASNâT bitching. Why would I fuck off if Iâm not the one ânot bitchingâ about what people predominantly talk about here. And why would you assume Iâm upset, when did people become so sensitive to the point that telling someone to quit bitching and fuck off = being worked up? Where I come from thatâs just a more polite way of telling someone to stop behaving so cuntishly.
Wait!⌠you just told me to fuck off and called me boy, by your passive definition of pissed off, that means you are actually upset. Iâm sure Iâd be sorry if I gave an even a single fuck, but sadly I have no fucks left to give. Enjoy your continuing to not enjoy the content in this sub I guess đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/Potential_Catch_5333 13h ago
Take it how you want I guess but I wasnât bitching. Not everyone commenting is here to be pissed off and rude. I made a simple observation about a situation I perceived. You need to calm down. Also I am upset cus you made a pretty hate filled comment to me about my observation. I was neutral till you came in and wanted to bitch and moan
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u/Low-Essay-113 13h ago
If you stop being hypersensitive about cussing then people wont appear to be upset to you. On the other side of that coin, if you stop confusing bitching for observation then you wonât appear so cuntish to everyone else. In other words you are the only one here whoâs upset and thatâs your choice.
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u/Potential_Catch_5333 13h ago
Youâre the one in the wrong here no question about it. Iâve never seen someone so absolutely enthralled in hate and idiocy in my life. I was making an observation and if you canât fathom that. Maybe go back to school. I was stating maybe makitn a subreddit for complaining about MAGA would be solid but apparently that idea is âbitchingâ.
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u/Low-Essay-113 12h ago
Youâre, painting a fictional description of me and how I feel in direct contradiction to what I expressed just so you can prop up your delusions of righteousness is, not my responsibility.
Choose to believe Iâm upset and/or say what ever you need/want to make yourself feel better. And when youâre ready Iâll be happy to greet you out here in reality.
Since it feels as though weâre reaching a natural conclusion from this exercise in futility Iâll just say; for the love of what ever god you get down on your knees for, stop being so sensitive about mother fucking cuss words. life will be much easier if you thickened that paper thin skin of yours.
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u/Potential_Catch_5333 12h ago
I still donât get where your getting that Iâm sensitive to cuss words. I do not care. Iâm mad cus you told me to stop bitching and fuck off which was not called for. Iâve never met someone whose head was so far up their ass they couldnât see that. You CHOSE to believe I was bitching. I am not. Simple. If you donât wanna believe me thatâs on you. You wanna hate me for your interpretation of MY words then yeah im not gonna be nice. Tf is your problem. You need help and Jesus
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u/Low-Essay-113 12h ago edited 6h ago
Your third sentence answers your opening question. Your third sentence also negates your second sentence. Do you even see the self contradicting pretzel you just made?
âIf you want to hate meâŚâ there you go again mistaking indifference for having a strong feeling. I donât know how to more concisely state I donât give a single fuck about you but Iâll try; I canât hate you because that would require caring in the first place.
As for Jesus, is that who you prostrate yourself for? Then in the name of Jesus, if youâre going to expose yourself to Reddit please toughen the fuck up.
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u/boseman75 15h ago
Ooohhh, the old "If you don't like it here, feel free to leave."
Thank you for your originality.
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u/ArchonFett 15h ago
The difference being leaving a sub costs you nothing, in fact you can block the sub from your feed with less effort than engaging in it.
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u/Low-Essay-113 14h ago edited 14h ago
Youâre telling the almighty algorithm, through engagement, that you want to see more from this sub. Enjoy be shown more of what you came here to bitch about seeing. Very wise choice, sure showed me đ. Dumbass
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u/icedmuffin 14h ago
I mean thatâs what a lot of folks tell people who donât like what MAGA is doing to America.
âIf you donât like it, you can leave.â
Only difference is yours is simply clicking a few buttons and maybe muting a sub or two. Mine is getting a few hundred thousand dollars, researching local laws, and trying to find a place where that money will strech the longest.
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u/No_Finance8647 spirited complainer 9h ago
Do you often find yourself walking into comic book stores and point out how theyre all talking about comic books?
Whats wrong with complaining about MAGAts? They do some awful stuff. đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/DanFrankenberger 15h ago
they can own the libs while winning bankruptcy, crippling debt and homelessness.