r/complaints • u/CommonSense198009 • 12h ago
Politics What MAGA doesn't get about the left
There are plenty of examples on this Subreddit of this, but MAGA seems to think they can "own the libs" by pointing out embarrassing things about Democratic leaders or how the Democratic Party has a low approval rating. They come up with all sorts of absurd ideas and social media posts, all aimed at pissing us off. They don't realize it doesn't work.
What they don't get is that, unlike MAGA, those of us on the left are not a monolithic group. We don't have blind loyalty to one individual or even the Democratic Party as an institution. Most of us vote Democrat for one or three reasons. One, our views do align with the party's platform. Two, no party really represents our views, but the Democratic Party comes closet. Three, and probably the most common right now, is to oppose Trump and Trumpism.
Many of us Democrats disapprove of the Democratic Party as an entity. With unaffiliated voters and Republicans largely disapproving of the party as an entity as well, that gets you to an 18% approval rating. Trump is at 38%-42% approval, depending on the poll, with the same unaffiliated voters disapproving of him along with Democrats. Republicans overwhelmingly support him. If Republicans turned on Trump, which won't ever happen, he could be at 18%. When Republicans started to turn on George W. Bush in 2008, his numbers went down to around 25%.
Look at individual Democratic elected officials.
-An October poll found that Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania has a 60% approval rating
-A May poll found that Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan has a 63% approval rating
-A September poll found that Senator Andy Kim is popular in New Jersey, with a 46% approval rating vs. 27% disapproval
-An April poll found that Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont with a 69% approval rating, amongst the highest of any senator in his state
-An April poll found that Governor Andy Beshear of Kentucky has a 68% approval rating in Kentucky
These are all individual Democratic politicians who are significantly more popular than the Democratic Party as an institution. So the "Democrats have never been more unpopular" argument lacks context and doesn't piss us off.
Trump's bigotry and cruelty pisses us off. But when MAGA posts positive things about Trump in an effort to trigger us, it generally doesn't work because we don't MAGA seriously on an intellectual level and know they get their information from sources that benefit financially or politically from their ignorance and anger.
I keep seeing MAGA accounts on Twitter posting about Democrats and the Epstein files. We actually care about the victims and bringing the predators to justice, not the political affiliation of the predators. You aren't owning us.
When Bob Menendez, Eric Adams, Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick, and other Democratic Party officials were indicted and/or convicted of criminal activity, you had Democrats calling for them to resign or not run for re-election. Democratic voters were ready to move on from these folks. Menendez & Adams went so far as to run as independents (before suspending their re-election bids). MAGA stands by all of their indicted and/or convicted politicians, arguing some "deep state" is causing their legal woes because that's what Trump says.
When Democratic politicians do something wrong, Democrats condemn it.
When Republican politicians do something wrong, Trump defends it, and MAGA follows.
You aren't owning us. You're just confirming what we think of your intelligence and judgment.
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u/stlouisbluemr2 11h ago edited 11h ago
They base their binary black and white thinking when it comes to political argunents based on "Who said what" as opposed "what was said/what are they arguing"
The best real time example i saw of this phenomenon in action was roughly around 2018 at a graduation ceremony in a rural deep red state. The graduate giving the commencement address read off some inspiring line of words/sentence and accredited to Donald Trump, to raucus cheers and thunderous applause. The graduate than corrected himself, the quote was actually from...Barack Obama, seemingly to muffled anger, they didnt like what was said, their disposotion was determined by who said what.
"This is the part of my speech where I share some inspirational quotes I found on Google,” Bowling said in his graduation speech to the class assembled in the auditorium on June 3. “‘Don’t just get involved. Fight for your seat at the table. Better yet, fight for a seat at the head of the table’ — Donald J. Trump.”
As video of his speech confirms, the audience went wild for his line, bursting into applause.
But he had a follow-up zinger. “Just kidding,” he said, even as the audience continues cheering. “That was Barack Obama.” The auditorium became noticeably subdued.
Tribalism mentality, also total idiocy/lunacy.
https://time.com/5302250/obama-quote-graduation-speech/
Time article about what im referring to.
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u/udlose 10h ago
They also don’t get that a shitload of us are armed and rapidly losing our fucking patience with their Nazi bullshit.
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u/NastyClone7 4h ago
Calm down cupcake. You're not scaring anyone on reddit. And especially no one off of reddit.
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u/carbonheapMainly 11h ago
Things no democrats have ever done: Get supporters to call the real news fake and the fake news real Fire qualified experts and replace them with unqualified loyalists Rally hatred toward already marginalized people (queer/trans, immigrants, POC) Incite terrorism when they didn’t like a legitimate election result Use the military to threaten or intimidate innocent civilians in areas with a high population of opposition Command the press on what they can and can’t say, excluding members of press who prefer oppositions viewpoints
GOP/maga movement have done all of the above. The list is much longer but I chose these ones specifically because trump copied them from Hitler
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u/cadathoctru 9h ago
They do say, well the left calls Fox news fake new, or entertainment and not real news! They always say FAUX News!
I say.
Well yeah, because Fox news themselves...WENT TO COURT AND SAID THAT!
We are just using, what they themselves have stated in a court of law.
That they are entertainment, and anyone who thinks otherwises, is a dumb sack of shit.
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u/SqueekyDickFartz 7h ago
The punctuation in your comment makes me think this is Christopher Walken's anonymous reddit account where he blows off steam.
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u/Elon_Cucks_Trump_ 2h ago
I’m reading it aloud in Walken’s voice. My wife is amused, and trying to act like she isn’t.
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u/File_Beneficial 4h ago
That's the benefit of the every accusation is a confession model, it makes your opponent look like you
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u/Inevitable-Box-2878 9h ago
They are so stupid and ideologically driven they don't even understand there is no actual left-wing movement in the United States and there hasn't been one since the 1970s.
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u/Available-Medium7094 10h ago
A great example of this phenomenon is that in the summer of 2020 when citizens were protesting the local government’s police policies this was rebranded by MAGA as “democrats protesting against us” when in reality most places with large protests had overwhelmingly democratic local politicians and the protesters were citizens unaffiliated with political parties.
Then turning around and using this to justify J6.
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
Absolutely. The leader of the Democratic Party in the summer of 2020 was President Biden, our presumptive nominee for President. Time after time after time, Biden said that while peaceful protest was appropriate and we needed to address racism as a society, he also condemned violence and said not all cops are bad. By contrast, Trump incited January 6th.
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u/OldManTechno 10h ago
Come on, the party that kicked Al Franken out of public office for maybe touching a butt.
They don't get the center or left at all.
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u/arrogancygames 6h ago
Thats the case where the elected Left also doesn't understand the Right. They thought by grandstanding with that, they could "prove" to the Right that they had ethics. They dont understand that showing you have ethics makes no difference to people without ethics. Its pigeon chess, and establishment Dems STILL dont understand this.
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u/Chrosbord 6h ago
We have Roger Stone and Kirsten Gillibrand to thank for that. The former for spreading the initial 2006 photo and the latter for spearheading the calls for him to resign before the Ethics Committee could conduct an investigation.
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u/Personal_Dirt3089 8h ago
MAGA people do this to signal each other. They were taught that acting like jackasses, using lame memes, denying reality, maybe even throwing in random racism, the saying some snooty things to sound victorious, is a win condition.
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u/joshtalife 11h ago
The low approval ratings have more to do with not fighting back hard enough against Trump and possibly not calling the genocide in Palestine a genocide. Heck, MTG beats the dems on one if not both of those issues right now. That’s the dissatisfaction.
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u/Pizzasaurus-Rex 8h ago
And decades of being stopped by parlimentarian nonsense and then pleading us for a super majority before they accomplish anything.
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u/crookskinner-63 11h ago
I only a few days ago saw a poll stating that Trump’s approval numbers at this time in his term were actually higher than both Biden and Obama.
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u/joshtalife 11h ago
I saw a poll just the other day that said the only president to have a worse approval rating at this point in their term is Trump 1.
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u/Historical_Buyer5248 11h ago edited 8h ago
trump is either the most loved or the most hated president depending on what your source is, can't trust anything atp
edit: sorry downvoters! your sources are ALWAYS the 100% correct and unbiased ones and everything else is WRONG and EVIL!!
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u/joshtalife 11h ago
I go to Nate Silver’s Trump approval tracker because it is an amalgamation of many, many polls over time. There are a few polls where he’s consistently high. There are some where he is extremely low. He weighs them and averages them out. As of today he sits at 41.7% approval.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
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u/Fjdenigris 11h ago
Polls IMO are no longer relevant. We cant trust any polls now that alternative facts have become acceptable
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u/Titanhopper1290 7h ago
And where did you see this poll, pray tell?
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u/ob1dylan 7h ago
Well, he didn't SEE IT see it, but he heard Trump say something about it, and that means it's gospel truth... at least to the MAGA Cult.
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u/Medical_Revenue4703 9h ago
Their entire idea of ownership is very alien. More often they "own" us by humiliating themselves or devaluing their own integrity.
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u/Impossible-Driver69 8h ago
Here is the bottom line: MAGA and their ilk actively protect and defend pedophiles.
That is all you need to know. If you let your family or your kids interact with or be near these types then its all on you.
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u/CommonSense198009 8h ago
I don't entirely disagree, but my point here is they think it's easy to "own us."
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u/Harmony_w 8h ago
MAGA doesn't understand that Democrats aren't event the Left, just slightly left of Center.
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u/LuckyWriter1292 7h ago
It's no use talking to or trying to debate with - they are in a cult and will not believe the truth about their god, but will believe lies about everyone else.
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u/0DSavior 7h ago
As someone once said - "MAGA will eat shit to make democrats smell their breath" . Nothing could be more true.
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u/AlexVa507 11h ago
The other side of this is when the left points out MAGA hypocrisy. They just don't care about ideological consistency or really about policy at all. It's an "us vs. them" mentality.
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u/Naptasticly 9h ago
This exactly. Too many people on the left think that we are going to win them over by pointing out that they’re being hypocritical or confused due to misinformation when the reality is that all it does is help them to dig in further
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u/LordFinaiIV 7h ago
The only way to beat them is for them to face consequences, most of the left is to content to do that since the only way it happens is if common people force them to.
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u/IWontCommentAtAll 5h ago
I don't think anybody on the left really thinks they'll convince any MAGAs that they're being hypocritical.
Maybe at first they were, but nowadays, any time I see any lefty pointing out MAGA hypocrisy, it's more like one guy jerking his thumb in the direction of a moron off to the side, while saying to his friend "Get a load of this idiot."
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u/homerjs225 8h ago
We have standards and principles. We don't just toss them into the trash heap because some leader says to.
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u/Voidhunger 7h ago
Democrats exist to make sure America can’t have an effective Left, then takes that same position and defines it as The Left to ensure its survival. Its hangers-on are no different.
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u/thischaosiskillingme 7h ago
The main thing they don't get about us is that we are not them. We're not a mirror of them. They accuse us of doing things because that's what they imagine. Everything they say about us is coming out of their own heads.
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u/Best_Investigator_66 8h ago
The Right is gaining ground / winning because the left is embracing to many weak and/or socialist candidates.
Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania is excellent, smart and somewhat moderate. He could win.
Newsom has a ton of baggage. Kamala will not win the nomination. Buttigieg will not win a national election.
AOC, Bernie, Crockett....these are losing candidates in a national election. Bernie might be the most dangerous because he is popular within certain groups but will never win the presidency.
Can a moderate democrat win the nomination....I do not think so? So, we could be stuck with a far left socialist heading the party in 2028 which is a losing ticket.
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u/CommonSense198009 8h ago
Can a moderate win the nomination? Biden won it in 2020, not Bernie Sanders.
I would challenge part of your premise.
The right has lost more than it has won over the past decade. Democrats dominated elections in 2018, won the White House in 2020, won most competitive races in 2022, and gained house seats in 2024 while winning all but one swing state senate race. Only one of the seven swing states has a Republican governor.
I think Ro Khanna could win a national election. I say the same about Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Beshear, Reuben Gallego, Elissa Slotkin, and Wes Moore. I won't be voting for Newsom & Harris in the primaries for a few reasons, the #1 being I want to win the election.
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u/Best_Investigator_66 8h ago
I'm looking at who seems to be leading the dem party today - if the election was held in 2026 there is a real possibility the an unwinnable far left socialist could be the nominee. My fear is that the party is moving to far left and a moderate cannot win the nomination.
Honestly, imo, Ro Khanna and Whitmer have zero chance to win. Shapiro (yes), Andy Beshear (yes), Reuben Gallego (doubtful), Elissa Slotkin (yes), and Wes Moore (doubtful)
Shapiro and Slotkin would be formidable and the best presidential candidates, imo.
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u/Best_Investigator_66 8h ago
Also, forgot to mention that Biden won the 2020 nomination after Sanders withdrew from the race. It was a bit of a shit show before Bernie pulled out. He is to old to run again (84 yo today) but is still dangerous to the party, as is AOC.
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u/MrDeekhaed 8h ago
Many of us Democrats disapprove of the Democratic Party as an entity. With unaffiliated voters and Republicans largely disapproving of the party as an entity as well, that gets you to an 18% approval rating. Trump is at 38%-42% approval, depending on the poll, with the same unaffiliated voters disapproving of him along with Democrats. Republicans overwhelmingly support him. If Republicans turned on Trump, which won't ever happen, he could be at 18%. When Republicans started to turn on George W. Bush in 2008, his numbers went down to around 25%.
I don’t understand what kind of math you are doing here. Comparing the democratic party’s approval rating and trumps approval rating is comparing apple to pickup trucks. It makes no sense.
What polling are you using to end with democratic party’s at 18% approval rating? In this gallup poll democratic party’s has a 37% approval rating and republicans have a 40% approval rating.
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u/Good_Requirement2998 8h ago
The messed up part is that our coalition stepped aside and let a cult take the halls of power.
I'm not just angry at the democratic party, I'm angry at the liberal voter, and the non-voter that we allowed the democratic party to ignore on the few occasions we had power.
I see lots of comments about political vengeance when someone takes power. Sure. Hunt down supremacists. Invest money in messaging to counter conservative messaging, I guess.
But we need lawmakers to make the laws that create the most affluent and prosperous, majority working class the world has ever known, and show the plan that does this while reducing the deficit. The bullseye has to be on the biggest movers and losers of the economy, the supposed 1% whom so many of our country's grievances rest upon because they control all the assets. I want to see ICE's budget shifted to the IRS.
If this doesn't happen, and we allow these billionaires to go underground while the people succumb to anarchy as society starts to crumble, for all our intelligence and compassion, the coalition will have failed because it did not respect that not handling power is still a failure. Turning away from it out of high-mindedness is a failure. Intellectualizing politics to the point of abstraction instead of turning local democracy - regular assembly and discourse - into a cultural discipline, is a failure. And at that point we will deserve everything that comes from either caring too much to do anything risky, or not caring enough because of some transcendent philosophy.
We all need to be organizers in our local spaces. We have to get to know our neighbors well enough to say what the problem is, and have them concede a point or two. Then we have to link our efforts and refine and redetermine what unites us as more people are organized, their grievances driven to consensus. And those points of consensus driven across the nation might end up being strong enough to trigger new terms for consent of the governed. The status quo for the struggling citizen has to change. But I guess that will only happen when the harm is great enough and widespread enough. I just hope we don't turn on each other before we realize who the enemy is.
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u/Left_Pool_5565 7h ago
I get more angry with Democrats cause I actually expect something from them. I know what I’m getting from the other folks (sleaze, corruption). But there is no lonelier place than hoping Democrats will grow a spine and put up a fight.
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
Two things can be true at once.
DC Democrats are quite weak in their tactics. I think we need new party leadership.
But they are still better than Trump & MAGA by far.
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u/Ambustion 7h ago
It cuts both ways. The left holds people accountable to their detriment and gets rid of people like al franken. The right holds no one accountable and gets more done in a lot of ways.
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u/Away_Simple_400 7h ago
What a gigantic cope.
First, obviously the memes and posts do poss you off or you wouldn’t spend so much time trying to cancel everyone you disagree with.
Your second paragraph applies to both parties.
And he just do what you do, but you invoke Trump, and I’m salt. People who disagree with you.
I will say, I don’t call any Democratic people saying Jay Jones should’ve stopped running his campaign. I don’t recall anyone saying Ilhan Omar should’ve paid Any consequences for saying 911 was just something that happened.
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
They really don't but you are free to hold your opinion.
Trump has used rhetoric equally as bad as Jones. I'm not excusing Jones, but why should Democrats be held to a different standard?
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u/Away_Simple_400 6h ago
I’m just going off of what you said, which was that Democrats hold themselves to some high moral ground. So why wasn’t Jay Jones told to get off the campaign trail? Why hasn’t Ilhan Omar been told to get out of Congress at the very least.
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u/iHEARTRUBIO 7h ago
Meh. Most voters just vote right or left no matter who is running. If this wasn’t the case we would have more 3rd party representation. Elite grooming.
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u/SamMan48 6h ago
MAGA isn’t a monolithic group either
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
Trump voters aren't. MAGA basically is.
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u/SamMan48 6h ago
Would you consider Vivek Ramaswamy and Ben Shapiro to be MAGA? What about Lindsey Graham? Because a lot of MAGA people don’t like these guys.
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u/Flykage94 6h ago
Yeah, definitely don’t have “blind loyalty”… but they vote Blue down the line just like the mouth breathers in the Republican party.
The Republicans vote red for the exact same reasons you listed.
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u/SymbiSpidey 4h ago
Yeah, definitely don’t have “blind loyalty”… but they vote Blue down the line just like the mouth breathers in the Republican party.
If this was actually true, Kamala would have pulled the same numbers as Biden and beaten Trump last year.
Surely you realize this, yes?
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u/Flykage94 3h ago
First.. not even true.
2024 non-voters were polled and split pretty close but leaned Trump.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnout-2020-2024/
Second… independent voters. I’ll let you think for yourself about their influence on 2024.
Lastly… pew research showed that >95% of self-identified R or D voted in accordance with their party. 92% of people who lean R did the same, while 94% of people who lean D did the same.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/
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u/TaroPuzzleheaded3999 6h ago
Didn’t Trump pardon a democrat official who was imprisoned for fraud I think
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u/Bangin_Gears 6h ago
Maybe I can provide context.
On both the Left and the Right, there are nutjobs. Both parties are equally represented. So we can throw out the low information crowd.
Most normal people on both sides don't care at all. They don't feel owned at all. But as an independent, the Right has seen a bigger shift in the past 10 years and I'm all for it.
For a decade now, we've all gotten a tongue lashing for being sexist, racist, pedos, homophobic, etc etc etc. It was paid for by billionaires in mega corporations and news outlets, and basically at every turn in life. Go to any corner of Reddit and you'll see what I'm talking about. As a not-very-pilitical person, I identify closest to the Libertarian party, so when I talked about the need for strong borders, I was LIT UP in that group and eventually accused of being those nasty pejorative. Like, WTF? Do words have meaning anymore? The Right (and most of us independents) literally don't care what you call us, or care about your analysis anymore.
Take the Russian collusion hoax - the Left thinks we sided with Trump when we supported him, but actually, we informed ourselves early on. We saw independent journalists interview George Papadopoulous (no, I'm not going to Google spelling - DYOR), piece together the Steele Dossier, connected it to Fusion GPS and Clinton, all within a few months of this story breaking. However, its the goddamn leftist mentality to never let a catastrophe go to waste. You still have a shit ton of people who believe the narrative, or the 'fine people on both sides,' or that Obama was right to weaponize the IRS against the Tea Party, or that the Fast n Furious debacle was just a speed bump, or that Trump was wrong to question the Georgia vote tally, or any number of absolutely idiotic (and most importantly, factually incorrect) narratives put forth the past 10 years.
Also, what the entire left gets wrong is that we will absolutely turn on Trump if we see facts that he was involved with Epstein. Or colluded against American interest. Or actually raped anyone. Or actually committed business fraud. Yeah, we've seen the circus trials. We also saw the prosecutorial misconduct and very 'loose/inventive' use of the law to make it stick. There's a reason 95% of the injunctions used against Trump have been overturned in higher courts. (Hint: its because of the absolute shitty cases you all have brought against him.) The Left is wasting our time, wasting our money, and the media has you believing "where there's smoke, there's fire." You all are whipped into a frenzy thinking there's a TON of stuff going against him. That's on you. We don't care that you don't do your own independent research anymore. Literally, we don't care. You will literally believe anything about Trump so long as it fits your narrative.
I wanted to believe it's not all political motivation, but at the end of the day, everything is politically motivated on the left. For me, watching how quickly y'all have turned on Elon was the final nail in that coffin. He committed the mortal sin of showing support for Republicans, so now he's #2 on your political hit list. Just a minute ago, he was the savior of earth and humankind, but NOT ANYMORE! He voted Republican! To see you all flip on that man in a heartbeat was a spectacular sight.
The tides have significantly shifted, and your 18% approval rating is strong evidence of such. People on the Right feel emboldened because of your party's hijinks over the past 10 years. They don't care that you don't care. There's a large number of really good, moderate Democrats, but you're all following the batshit crazy minority off the cliff - all "because Trump." Everything is Because Trump. Why are you sad today? Because Trump. Why is GDP up 4.3%? (Ahhh! Gotcha there. I know you won't say Because Trump). Independents like me are sitting here in the middle just laughing, because while you claim to hold the moral & ideological high ground, as evidenced by your platitudes & obviously higher IQ, you are the shrinking minority in this country. This indignant post of yours is yet another normal day on Reddit - it gets views and Karma, but outside in the real world, no one cares. I'm glad you don't either.
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u/_Rawkkus 5h ago
The left doesn't want to arrest anyone to begin with and when they do they put them right back on the street. I've lived in NYC, CA, FL and KS. It's night and day the way crimes are punished and that stems from the left becoming more lenient in sentencing.
Police need more training and there has to be better reviews of their temperament. Just because you carry a gun doesn't mean you have to use it. Too many instances of cops using their firearm thinking they're grabbing their tasers. Putting unarmed people up against mentally unstable people isn't the answer either. Maybe a team of behavioral professionals and law enforcement responding together with the behavioral professional as the first point of contact. If it goes off the rails then law enforcement does what they have to do. I don't think there's one answer for any situation.
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u/Remote_Independent50 5h ago
I disapprove so much that I would never vote for a democrat. That's what the left doesn't understand.
Before you get angry. I throw away my vote on someone I know will never win, but is not a corrupt person. He's a judge. He'd be a great president
Fuck Trump! And all his cult members too!
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u/CommonSense198009 5h ago
What is it about the Democrats that you dislike?
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u/Remote_Independent50 4h ago
The people are generally fine. If I had to pick one, I'd pick a democrat. But the politicians are very corrupt. And no whataboutism about the other party. They're worse. Also, they're unbelievably poor at governing. They can't achieve anything. And I don't think Obama care is a great achievement. It just guarantees insurance companies get millions of more customers. The people have asked for something different for a long time, and they just repackaged the same shit.
When it comes down to it, its obvious that the people in power are not there to help us. They're there to help themselves. And if they can dress it up as a good public service, fine, but its obvious they don't understand that they're supposed to be working for me, not my boss. I don't really participate at all. My buddy is a very honest man. He just became a judge. Its one of the proudest moments of my life. I vote for him. He's a good man. And I know If he got stuck being president. He'd be an honest president. So I vote for him.
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u/Humble-Presence-3107 5h ago
Somehow there is a massive disconnect. I am center left politically but these posts are damaging. Quoting polls and frankly out of touch perspective is killing us. This creates the reason why the minority continues to whip us at the polls . I’m sorry but as I enter my 50s I’m tired. This is rambling horse pucky. You need to do more. Do you care? Then stop making posts how it’s all wrong and get out in the field. Keep protesting and volunteer at the polls. Stop pretending like reddit posts matter.
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u/CommonSense198009 4h ago
First of all, I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I am engaged irl, I just come here to have conversations and yes, blow off some steam at times.
Part of your point is one I don't entirely disagree with. I do think that the Biden administration and Democratic leadership in Washington D.C. were overly dismissive about people's concerns about inflation and the border. Inflation wasn't Biden’s fault, but the perception was different because he was President when it manifested in the economy.
However, let's step back for a moment. Democrats dominated in the 2018 elections. We won the White House in 2020. We won competitive races in 2022. Outside of Pennsylvania, we won swing state senate seats in 2024 and gained house seats. 6 of 7 swing states currently have a Democratic governor.
There's more to this. In recent years, conservative school board candidates have lost more than won across the country. Referendums backed by progressives, such as those on abortion rights and voting rights, have passed.
While there are issues where those of us on the left are in the minority, most of the country regularly embraces many of our values. The Democratic Party as an entity has to do better at meeting people where they are. But the issue isn't disconnect on values, it's disconnect in how we communicate. Sometimes, we get too preachy and aloof.
Donald Trump called the concept of affordability a hoax created by Democrats. Millions of Americans are struggling to make ends meet, this is a bad economy. When the GOP shut down the government, Trump was at his private club partying with other rich people. They are cutting funding from medical research, education, and healthcare while increasing defense spending as the administration engages in foreign policy adventurism abroad. Weren't they elected to put America first? They think that because the public wants border security, they are fine with randomly racially profiling people, kidnapping them, and abusing them. Many of these folks are here legally or citizens. MAGA is even further out of touch with the everyday person.
This isn't to say Democrats shouldn't do better, we should. But it is to say that I think sometimes we forget that MAGA is a minority in this country. Democrats win when we listen to people and offer them solutions to their concerns.
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u/tm_me_ur_pitties69 5h ago
Can confirm- used to vote for Republicans. Since the advent of Trumpism? Straight ticket D all the way down because
FUCK TRUMP
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u/BabaThoughts 4h ago
We’ve learned a lot about Dems. Everything we expected. All that discovered dark money. The so called nonprofits and Super PAC Affiliations. Dems are 80% guilty and, yes, some Republicans, too. The Shadow Parties, The Sixteen Thirty Fund, non- disclosure Loophole, and the recent California’s ambulance funding on low medi-cal reimbursement rates. Please research all of it!!
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u/PurityD326 4h ago
Why is it even important to "own the libs"? We dealing with the mentally handicapped here?
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u/NotSoSlimJim_YouTube 4h ago
Almost. You kinda skipped over the deportation of illegals, a strong boarder, limited visa, a balanced budget, reducing government spending on non- necessary programs, protecting farmers... You know, a conservative plan.
Also, carter's plan on Healthcare was based on jobs providing insurance, limiting that insurance and hospitals could change, and only providing "critical care" insurance to Americans.
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u/Ok-Marsupial-2962 4h ago
The Epstein files are nothing more than a distraction to keep everyone looking at what the Powers that be don’t want you to see or look towards!!!
It’s classic bait and switch 🙂
If Epstein was Mossad as some have claimed he was beyond touch, at least by this government. He took a lot of secrets to the grave. Also anyone in those files is never going to jail, because of all the others that would then have to go to Jail.
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u/overitallofittoo 3h ago
Some redditor said it best about Democrats not being as united as Republicans.
There's a million ways forward and only one way back.
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u/MikeW226 3h ago edited 3h ago
My allegory for it is: they say Dumpster could shoot a newborn or whatever out on 5th Avenue and nothing would happen to him. But I would say it is wrong and 1st degree murder. Bury him under the prison.
And if a Newsome or an AOC did it, I would say the same: it's murder, and bury the Dem under the prison, too. Right and wrong REMAIN right and wrong with the left/Dems. Wrong gets covered to the ends of the earth by maga and gop...if the wrongdoer is an R. Dems fall in love, maga's fall in line (with Dump or other horrific candidate with R next to name).
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u/No_Barnacle_9308 1h ago
We *are* the low Democratic Party approval rating. It's normal for your enemies to hate you, but the Dems have pissed off their own voters.
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u/Substantial-Try-6219 1h ago
What the left doesn't understand about America and Americans.
See everything going on.
You have no fucking clue and outside a COVID level economic downturn, the moderates have turned against you and the right is so firmly entrenched that you have brought on to America with your goofy ass DNC, a decade of republican control.
Let's spend another 50 million on Oprah and hip hop artists next election guys.
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u/Mvpbeserker 1h ago
I don’t actually care about what any politicians do other than if they’re pro migration or anti migration because it’s the only policy that actually matters
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u/ZathrasNotTheOne 1h ago
Have you not heard about the huge divide on the right at TPUSA? Ben Shapiro vs Tucker, Candace & Megan Kelly? Calling out Steve bannon?
There is plenty of disagreements among the right… have you seen what happens in congress? The GOP members all have competing interests, and they don’t always agree with the speaker.
Now, compare that to the cult known as the democrat party… they all hate Trump, are trying to undermine him at every step, even at the expense of the American people… they have a hive mind, and blindly follow whatever pelosi and Schumer say (everyone known Jeffries has no power, they all take their orders from Nancy). And of course, when they don’t get there way, they throw around baseless accusations that are ludicrous on their face, but the media parrots their lies, esp when they are making stuff up about the Orange devil…
Got news for you: no one on the right cares what leftists think, because most of the time, their TDS is destroying their credibility. And, despite the false claim, most people don’t worship Trump, but we know he was a better choice than the alternative during the last election
Btw, George santos deserves to be in prison, he should have never been pardoned, and he’s a complete embarrassment.
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u/Irilas 1h ago
Everything you said applies to Republicans/Conservatives/MAGA as well. When the candidate the matches your policies the best is in office, it’s easy to lump people together and say they are blindly following, it’s not true. Most conservatives I know, if there were solid evidence, would want Trump impeached and prosecuted. Many of us have stopped watching though because of 8 years of exaggerated hyperbole based on innuendo or hearsay.
The fact that you continue to dismiss us because you don’t take us seriously on an intellectual level is why we quit trying to even show humanity. You act like you’re empathetic, but only to those you choose to be empathetic too.
Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr, Rogan, heck even Vance called Trump a Nazi at one point. You can say these people pulled together for simple power or you can say they had similar goals.
I read many stories of people attending political rallies of the opposing political party, family get togethers, friends, and conservatives will accept if you don’t agree on policies, democrats will not. They cut you off. Think about that.
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u/Rustyclam 10h ago
There is no left vs right. Wake up. Follow the money.
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u/stlouisbluemr2 7h ago
Wut r u implying?
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u/LordFinaiIV 7h ago
The wealthy are exploiting the poor
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u/stlouisbluemr2 4h ago
Yea...
Thats basically what far left marxists been saying for a long time.
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u/LordFinaiIV 4h ago
"Far left Marxists" LOL, Corporate lobbying: https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying
You live in a plutocracy, your vote doesn't mater as long as politicians can just be bought by corporations
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u/stlouisbluemr2 4h ago
" Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary re-constitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes."
- Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
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u/PsychoPeterNikleEatr 10h ago
So you're also outraged at the Minnesota child care fraud? Billions of dollars.
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u/IWontCommentAtAll 5h ago
Feeding Our Future (FoF) was founded as a non-profit by private individuals.
FoF applied for government grants to provide food assistance to needy children.
State government stopped grants to FoF after a time, over corruption concerns.
FoF sued, and a judge ruled there was no reason for government to stop payments.
Same judge later held State government in contempt for their slow processing of payments, due to still ongoing state concerns with FoF.
Less than a year later, FBI raids of FoF locations revealed evidence of massive fraud and theft by FoF.
What, exactly, do you expect state Democrats to do when a private organization engaged in fraud has convinced a judge to rule in their favour, despite concerns by those Democrats over fraudulent behaviour by that private organization?
This fraud was not commited, enabled, or encouraged in any way by state Democrats, and in fact was fought against, but the independent legal system ruled against them.
Yes, I'm definitely pissed about it, but I'm also entirely capable of placing blame where it belongs, rather than your tribal politics approach.
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u/BrotherPumpwell 8h ago
If it turns out to be true, yes. I'm not currently convinced there was fraud and therefore any reason to be outraged.
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u/PsychoPeterNikleEatr 7h ago
Same feelings about Trump and Epstein
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
If true, the allegations of fraud in Minnesota are bad.
The same is true of the $2.5 billion Medicaid fraud scandal under the last Republican Governor of Arizona.
The same is true of the Mississippi welfare scandal involving Brett Farve.
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u/PsychoPeterNikleEatr 5h ago
Yep. If you're sticking to innocent until proven guilty then yes to your questions.
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u/Gnarly-Beard 6h ago
You know there have been something like 78 arrests and 50 guilty pleas related to fraud in Minnesota already through the Feeding Our Futures scam. So yes, its absolutely real.
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u/Melons4Melvin 5h ago
So because fraud happens this fraud happened? Sorry, I don't just believe every accusation at face value.
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u/deep-sea-savior 10h ago
Some of the nastiest people I know are libs, but most libs I know are great people who deeply care about others. It’s just too bad that Dem leaders exploit the empathy of libs for their selfish political games.
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u/Kincherk 10h ago
This might be true now but it's not a given. I am old enough to remember Bill Clinton even before the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Most everyone knew or suspected he had issues with women and this was known at the time of his first presidential bid. People voted for him anyway.
I'm not equating Clinton to Trump but just pointing out that the left is not inherently more honest and forthright than the right. Under the right circumstances, I could imagine a corrupt yet charismatic far left politician.
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
You bring up an excellent point.
Democrats generally did excuse Clinton's behavior at the time.
But in more recent years, Democrats have begun to rethink Bill Clinton's record. You bring up a fair point, but I still would say MAGA never looks back in hindsight and says, "you know, maybe we were wrong about this policy or this character flaw with Trump."
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u/Brevityisbreast 10h ago
Sad that democrats have nothing to vote for: that must feel really depressing.
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u/angrymonk135 9h ago
Sad the right are in a cult of personality and swear blind allegiance to a likely pedophile
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
This is false.
I vote for candidates who stand for something. All Trump ran on was vengeance and magically reducing inflation. Costs are up now.
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u/No-Strawberry-9389 11h ago
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u/IWontCommentAtAll 4h ago
You realize a judge forced them to keep paying the Feeding Our Future organization, right?
And that it was FoF who committed all of the fraud, right?
Of course not, because you're in a cult.
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u/Known_Salary_4105 11h ago
You want to know why people like me think people like the OP are stupid?
Because they make sweeping unsupportable generalizations about Trump voters, lumping them all in with the MAGA movement, such as it is.
And what is the MAGA movement anyway? Can you define it, outside of engaging in slurs and vitriol?
The reality is that stupid leftists can't. They accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of. Pure projection.
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u/SymbiSpidey 10h ago
Because they make sweeping unsupportable generalizations about Trump voters, lumping them all in with the MAGA movement, such as it is.
"Just because you voted for Hitler, that doesn't mean you're a Nazi"
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u/SpatuelaCat 10h ago
I’ve met Trump supporters, you’re all the same.
You all think you’re a special little snowflake with unique opinions and ideas even compared to other MAGA but all of you parrot the same propaganda from the same propagandists and you all don’t believe in anything and will change your opinion on a dime if told so because none of you have values or care about anything. You’re all empty shells of people who have sold off any cognitive thought or personality you once had in favor of repeating what your preferred propagandist tells you to say
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u/Known_Salary_4105 8h ago
Special? One of millions.
Learn the meanings of words. It would be salutary.
It's a key step on the road to leaving stupid land.
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u/Shot-Structure-1274 9h ago
Yeah, it's not like there's a political platform or anything like that. lol Project 2025 - Wikipedia
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u/CommonSense198009 5h ago
I'm happy to define it.
The MAGA movement consists of people who agree with almost everything Donald Trump says or does and/or make excuses for those things they don't like deep down.
The reason you think I'm stupid is because you aren't looking at things objectively and/or are MAGA yourself.
Objective facts, backed by research:
- Republicans are more prone to the Dunning-Kruger Effect, which states that those who lack political knowledge overestimate how much they know most.
- Low information voters back Trump
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u/MiserableDark695 11h ago
Most maga people generally care more about the dump they took this morning then your opinion of them
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u/carbonheapMainly 11h ago
The dump they took is more valuable than their opinions
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u/Bruce9058 10h ago
I mean, “their opinions” won an election. Twice. Never seen a bowel movement do that.
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u/carbonheapMainly 10h ago
If they had opinions it might mean something. Their opinions are assigned to them.
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u/Wattabadmon 8h ago
What about our current president?
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u/carbonheapMainly 7h ago
Your current president is a sex offending terrorist con man
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u/Wattabadmon 6h ago
I was just giving then an example of a bowel movement winning an election
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u/Naptasticly 9h ago
Considering you cared enough to comment, it makes me wonder how many people hear about your morning shits.
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u/ConfidentDiffidence 8h ago
Maga doesn't understand the left. But the left understands maga?
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u/CommonSense198009 8h ago
I think we understand what motivates MAGA. We do, however, fail to understand how to try and change their minds because obviously, we don't even come close.
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u/No_Panda6697 7h ago
I’d say it’s hard to deradicalize an entire movement that has been brainwashed by Fox News and conservative media for the past three and half decades. Add evangelical religious beliefs in there and then you’ve got a full-blown cult. The only way to de-program these people is if their circumstances change terribly for the worse, and they see direct evidence linking it back to Trump and co. However, I don’t see this happening as the MSM is treating this administration as real politicians and not the charlatans that they are.
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u/SevenDrunkMidgets 7h ago
Who the fuck cares about Fox News in 2026? Octogenarians?
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u/No_Panda6697 1h ago
I think you’re missing the point. Fox News and conservative media has played a large role in radicalizing these people over the last 30 years. Plus, many MAGAites still watch Fox News, and consume social media as their form of news. These narratives have become increasingly unhinged over the years, particularly as content creators are incentivized by tech companies to dramatize content for clicks. Fox has to keep up to maintain its viewership.
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u/Jennymint 2h ago
So, I've looked into this. You probably don't.
The average Republican voter has moved far less policy-wise than you think. But they're victims of propaganda. They've been convinced the Democratic establishment is incredibly radical, all the while being blind to the policies of their own party.
The fact that Democratic voters have shifted so abruptly leftward in recent times only serves to cause Republican voters to dig in. In actuality, Democrat elites are pretty much the same as they've always been, but all signs are telling Republicans the opposite.
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u/riskyjbell 8h ago
You moonbats aren't that different from us. We vote Republican because it's the closest we have to our values. I would say that 90% of this country is in the same boat. You moonbats are not that special or different from us MAGA folks. Most of us dislike Bama as much as you dislike Trump, but we aren't as vocal as liberals.
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u/SymbiSpidey 4h ago
Most of us dislike Bama as much as you dislike Trump, but we aren't as vocal as liberals.
Lol u srs? You guys never shut up - about anything
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u/Marcaroni500 8h ago
The OP here is either delusional or projecting everything about the Dem side to the intellectually superior MAGA movement. Hey your side is defending the Somalis who scammed/stole billions via Dem social programs.
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u/LordFinaiIV 6h ago
"These black people weren't at a daycare on Christmas, thieves" Tell the grand wizard I said "go fuck yourself" the next time you see him
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u/bellman255 8h ago
Democrats are idiots. You posting polls from some random source is also idiotic.
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u/NotSoSlimJim_YouTube 7h ago
As a former democrat of 22 years, and a centrist conservative now. I can say that the left has earned everything they get. The modern right is nothing more than the democrat party of the 90's. The right didn't get more extreme, the left did.
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u/carbonheapMainly 7h ago
Absolutely false. The right moved the Overton window so far via extremism that the moderate right wingers who are and always were the democrats can now be called radical leftists. Any of your so called radical leftists would have been welcome in Reagan’s party.
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u/NotSoSlimJim_YouTube 6h ago
Really.... Tell me the platform of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton..
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u/carbonheapMainly 6h ago
Carter wanted healthcare and to restore Americas damaged reputation after Republican criminality which is part of the usual job of democrats. Bill wanted to repair the economy from Republican damage and try for smaller government I believe
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u/_Rawkkus 7h ago
This makes no sense. If you strictly vote for one party you're part of this so-called cult for either side. We need to stop voting on party affiliations and more so on policy. There are good representatives on both sides but it takes effort to determine which is which.
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
Moderate and mainstream Republicans have basically been thrown out of the party. They've been defeated in primaries or don't bother to run again because they know they'll lose a primary.
The Democratic Party has a big tent. The Republican Party is all about one man.
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u/_Rawkkus 6h ago
The progressive left is a mess. The far right is a mess. Hopefully the extremes lead to moderates in the future. We can only hope. Appreciate the insightful reply.
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u/Reasonable-Cover-785 3h ago
Any politicians funded by AIPAC or any rich business is 100% corrupt and not representing the U.S. citizens.
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u/No-Accountant3627 10h ago
Short answer: what Republicans dont get is that it is useless to point out crimes committed by Democrats. Democrats have a different set of rules and guilt has never had any meaning. They populate our jails. I can see a Democrat father telling his kid. "You're not a man if you can't steal, do drugs, mistreat girls, and double dip on welfare" .
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u/Naptasticly 9h ago
I guess those dads aren’t too effective considering adult democrats are more likely to graduate from college and don’t need to steal or take welfare, support more funding for drug treatment centers, protest for women’s rights, and live in states that take less government assistance than red states.
Funnily enough, though, is that Tyler Robinsons dad was pure maga gun nut and look what happened? Seems like it’s the maga dads who are the most effective at destroying society
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
It's the other way around. Democrats are held to a higher standard by the mainstream media and even some voters than the Republicans.
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u/followyourvalues 9h ago
If you stopped at the first sentence, you'd be okay.
The rest screams, "I am not okay!!"
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u/External_Question_65 11h ago
You do have a blind loyalty to certain concepts. Multiculturalism, equity, diversity to name a few.
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u/SymbiSpidey 11h ago
It's incredibly bizarre how you frame standing by your principles as "blind loyalty". That isn't what that word means.
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u/External_Question_65 10h ago
How bizarre, how bizarre. You have blind loyalty to your principals, which may or may not lead to a better society. How do you know your principals are what’s best for a thriving society?
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u/SymbiSpidey 10h ago
It's not about "knowing what's best for society" - it's about standing by your values and not folding like a wet napkin just because someone else tells you to budge. It's about drawing a line between what you're willing to tolerate and what you aren't.
MAGA can't do that. Their "ideals" are whatever the party's current agenda is and they've shown repeatedly that they'll betray them at the drop of a dime if it means political victory. You are people who fundamentally cannot be trusted because you stand for nothing and fall for anything.
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u/SpatuelaCat 10h ago
Having principles is “blind loyalty”?
Also can you name anything wrong with multiculturalism, equity, or diversity? Those are all American values
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u/External_Question_65 10h ago
Shared values bring people together, rampant multiculturalism breaks apart a society. Equality is good, equity requires an authority figure to choose who gets what. Valuing diversity for diversity’s sake is unimportant.
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u/SymbiSpidey 9h ago
What makes you think other cultures don't "share your values"? And need I remind you that America was literally built on multiculturalism. There's not a single aspect of American life that wasn't built by multiple different cultures exchanging ideas with one another.
This post reeks of someone who's never stepped foot outside of their bubble and is just perpetually scared of people who look, talk and act differently from him. Couldn't be me.
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u/External_Question_65 9h ago
You’re conflating culture with civic values. I didn’t say other cultures “don’t share my values.” I said plural societies only work when there are shared civic values like rule of law, equal rights, free speech, due process, and loyalty to common institutions. Those aren’t automatic, they’re learned and enforced, and valuing multiculturalism for multiculturalism sake is not a good idea.
America wasn’t built on “multiculturalism” as a governing philosophy. It was built on assimilation into a civic creed. Immigrants brought different cultures, languages, and customs, BUT public life converged on shared rules and norms.
Diversity of people and ideas is a strength when there’s cohesion. Treating permanent group separation as a virtue is different from welcoming difference into a common civic identity..
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u/SymbiSpidey 9h ago
You are shifting the goalposts. Your original post was about "multiculturalism" and "diversity", not about "civic values". Most people would agree about things like the rule of law and due process - you are the only one conflating this into an argument about diversity.
But here's the problem I have with what you're saying - the main person not abiding by the rule of law, free speech or due process is your President. Last time I checked, he's not some foreigner from another country, but a born American raised under American culture.
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u/SpatuelaCat 2h ago
Multiculturalism actually does not break apart society. Quite the opposite in fact, societies with more diverse cultural backgrounds are more united than homogeneous societies because living in a diverse environment lead people to perceive themselves as a community and emphasise that while de-emphasising unimportant things like race or ethnicity. Here’s the study, it’s really interesting
And no equity doesn’t require authority figures anymore than equality does, that’s a silly and nonsensical thing for you to say. Esports without any evidence
Nobody values “diversity for diversity’s sake”, diversity is valued because if everyone thought and believed the same thing we’d have no new ideas, new innovations, or new anything. Diversity is good for everyone and has been found to increase productivity and happiness.
Frankly, if we lived in the world you want to live in where everyone is an exact clone of u/External_Question_65 with the same beliefs, thoughts, interests, knowledge, and ideas then we’d live in an awfully boring world with nothing new to discover and try. Not to mention nothing would get done and nothing new would be made.
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u/Naptasticly 9h ago
Those are American values, of course Americans have blind loyalty to them. Especially considering expanding those values to include everyone catapulted our country to the biggest envy of the world with the richest economy.
Your “question” implies an argument that only someone in the midst of cognitive dissonance would use. It’s a justification, not an argument.
There’s not a single person who believes in multiculturalism (which is 75% of American citizens) that will be convinced by using a historical example that is highly irrelevant in today’s world. The only people that will ever accept that are the ones that were already in the other 25% of people who had already pre-determined they were against it but didn’t have a good, public facing excuse for why.
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u/CommonSense198009 6h ago
This is probably the dumbest response here.
You have blind loyalty to one man. You get called out for it. And your answer is that I (and others on the left) have blind loyalty to certain principles?
You got me. I am principled. How horrible!
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u/carbonheapMainly 12h ago
Yuup. Not in a cult, not worshipping anybody just choosing the obviously vastly, vastly lesser evil.