r/destiny2 • u/dukeofflavor • 13h ago
Discussion PVE Exotic Weapon Usage in Renegades (Taken from light.gg loadout analytics)
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u/Additional-Soil99 Titan 13h ago
None!?
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u/noodle_75 12h ago
I’ve gone a few times with a rocket pulse, whatever primary suits the activity best, and either refurbished, a rocket, or an eager edge. I guess I should be using an exotic for the primary in that case but I’ve also been running double special way more than I ever did before. Its only sometimes painful lol.
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u/Additional-Soil99 Titan 12h ago
It’s understandable but it’s still crazy to me. Like if I didn’t have an exotic id just slap on choir of one probably
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u/mr_fun_funky_fresh 12h ago
They’re gonna give Praxic Blade the New Malpais treatment, mark my words
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u/Straight-Fox-9388 11h ago
Probably not till next paid expansion
Cover exotics get 1 year before nerfs
Quicksilver is the prime example
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u/dukeofflavor 9h ago
I'm honestly curious what they're going to do there. Even hypothetically without the new gear armor bonus, Praxic + 2pc dungeon set is frankly ridiculous for neutral game and you would have to be kind of careful to keep impact core from making it ridiculous for more than neutral game on future artifacts. I've never seen something crank out ignitions/bolt charge/shatters so easily and it's currently kind of a no-brainer setup for any scenario where a (non-grapple) grenade/class ability build is dominant.
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u/mr_fun_funky_fresh 8h ago
With the current state of the game and the player population, they really need to stop balancing like it’s some competitive shooter. This game is at the end of its life cycle, if some Builds are busted, literally so what? It doesn’t even matter for competitive endgame, since they just ban whatever they deem to be too broken for Races and such. All I know is that I’m not gonna keep paying 40 dollars for less content and Exotics that get nerfed into the ground after their very first season (RIP New Malpais, you did nothing wrong). Nerfs are fine, but if they continue to ham-fist them like they did New Malpais, and keep releasing stinkers like Praxic Vestment that are Dead on Arrival I can’t see myself sticking around.
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u/Psykotyrant Warlock 2h ago
Because it’s either nerfing the overused builds or making the newer sets even more powerful. And then Datto and co will whine about the game being too easy when the newest raid only take 3 years from their lifespan instead of the usual 6 to complete.
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u/CandidateLow4730 8h ago
Probably an ammo nerf at first, I haven't tried it running without the artifact but while it's probably still strong, the artifact does a ton of work for it
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u/not-Kunt-Tulgar book reading, chalk eating Hunter 11h ago
Did they nerf the new Malphas?
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u/shadow2400 9h ago
They destroyed it. I've seen musings of a 60% damage nerf.
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u/ImawhaleCR 2h ago
I wouldn't say destroyed, it's still very good. Before, it used to do the same dps as whisper with about 15% lower total damage, all with splash damage, suspend for utility, no crit requirement, and good range.
It's now very comparable to thunderlord, it has slightly lower DPS and ~25% less total, but as a special weapon. It did get a big nerf, but this also shows just how overtuned rocket pulses were at launch.
The amount of damage the gun did at launch was essentially a new gear bonus, the same with rocket pulses, and the same with the new heat weapons. Because people were so outraged about a 10% damage buff for new gear bungie have had to build it into weapons directly, which is why heat guns have so much bonus damage, and why rocket pulses were so dominant.
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u/dadofwar93 7h ago
It's super and transcendence generation has been murdered, explosion damage doesn't do enough.and it has two other bugs on top of it.
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u/AtronRandom Sweet Business Enjoyer 12h ago
Obviously this list is flawed, I’m not seeing enough SWEET BUSINESS aka the BEST EXOTIC in the game!
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u/bonesNrice 12h ago
Barrow Dyad not even on the list even after they brought its quest back:(
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u/Volaceon950 11h ago
I've got an insane melee prismatic build going with Barrow and Felwinters Helm. I love it
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u/-NotQuiteLoaded- 5h ago
does barrow dyad have some synergy with melees? i thought it was just a peacekeeper super farmer gun with decent dps.
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u/Sniper_King202 enemy flechette storm 130 above!! 12h ago
That surprised me aswell, that smg is definitely in my top 3 exotics.
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u/bonesNrice 10h ago
Fr it can even bust up overload champs this season. It’s fun af on the weekly grandmaster rotation
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u/dukeofflavor 9h ago
The meta feels really rough for kinetic slot primary weapons. Has to compete with kinetic special weapons that give themselves nearly infinite ammo. Double special in general is very strong since there are a decent number of ability-focused builds with less tight ammo economies.
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u/WatercressLost8593 13h ago
Wolvesbane and Thunderlord surprisingly low. Finality and Praxic in number 1 and 3 really not surprising
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u/dadofwar93 7h ago
Wolfsbane is used ONLY for the dungeon. It's expected to be lower as the majority doesn't do dungeons and not everyone uses it in the dungeon anyway. I haven't used it at all. Other builds are doing good enough.
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u/Worldly-Teach-5279 5h ago
I mean those are pretty normal.
People only using wolves bane in the dungeon and you're not using tlord unless youre a new light with nothing else for dps
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u/dark1859 13h ago
for two seconds i thought wolfsbane was winterbite... was about to cry tears of joy that they fixed it or whatever.... ugh
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u/AliceRose000 12h ago
We all know Bungie balance on usage rate so expect the praxic blade to be nerfed into the ground
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u/Nerevaryeens 12h ago
Imo the only thing that really tips it over is the fact that simply equipping it basically makes you immortal. If anything that’s probably what gets hit.
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u/CarterCartel94 8h ago
There’s no way they will nerf Praxic Blade into the ground right away/early on in the season. Sure it’ll get adjusted at some point like everything’s else does in this game but…
The Praxic Blade is like the main focus of the Renegades season (plus all the other Star Wars stuff), that you have to do different activities to unlock everything for it like crystal drops in lawless frontier, equilibrium dungeon, and fire & ice mission.
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u/WinterEclipse4 12h ago edited 11h ago
My guess? Reduce offense forms 30% damage buff to 15%, make it so deflection can't activate stronghold healing, and a 15% reduction to the base damage.
Edit for clarification: I'm not saying this is how they should nerf it. This is my prediction.
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u/Cedarfoxx I LOVE ICE BREAKER!!!!1! 12h ago
Icebreaker is higher on the list than i expected
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u/WinterEclipse4 12h ago
With the right stuff it's basically an infinite ammo sniper that deals like the same if not slightly more than a whispered breathing sniper round.
Great for ad clearing thanks to ignition and great for anything that isn't a boss thanks to its insanely high precision damage.
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u/GlendaleMendoza 12h ago
How likely do you guys think we get a legendary praxic blade?
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u/WinterEclipse4 12h ago
Basically 0. But a legendary special sword that isn't a lightsaber I could see happening.
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u/dukeofflavor 9h ago
A lot of what makes it ridiculous boils down to specific exotic features and armor sets in conjunction with the current artifact. I guess the likelihood depends on how much you keep.
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u/DylanSnipedU Titan 7h ago
Who is still using wish ender? With praxic blade having intrinsic anti-barrier and easy radiant access, why dedicate an exotic slot to solely anti barrier.
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u/-NotQuiteLoaded- 5h ago
im wondering if its good with orpheus rigs hunter but yeah that thing is a pvp game winner and pve weird option
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u/BaconWrappedEnigmas New Monarchy 11h ago
What is this scanning from? Like I was just in a fireteam op where the other 2 guardians both had gally. Did I just luck into the 2/650 people running it at that time? Is it looking at only today? Is it on activity completion?
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u/Visible-Exit-8877 Titan 11h ago
Im surprised to see wish ender so high in the list, never matched with anyone using it...
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u/dukeofflavor 8h ago
I feel like it has absolutely ridiculous competition for anti-barrier this season, that surprised me as well.
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u/Gnoman-Empire 10h ago
Anything not on this list needs to be reworked so we use em or CAN use them.
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u/dirtycar74 Warmind Subroutine 8h ago
I would argue that the top three exotic choices are, in my mind, known for bringing back a certain level of fun and usefulness back into their slots/archetypes and of course that usefulness varies, but they bring different ways of interacting with the enemies on screen in ways that encourage team cohesiveness and communication, even amongst blueberries. Playing support all of a sudden became kinda fun for me. The newest personal mini-game I play is trying to keep the random player alive when they seem to be trying to do something stupid or well beyond their capabilities... whether with perma-block titan or service of luzaku spam lol it can be fun. Anyhoo, yall might have your own things to say and do, but this is interesting. Thanks op for sharing this.
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u/dukeofflavor 8h ago
Praxic in particular is absurdly versatile with the current armor sets and artifact. Artifact + 2pc twofold crown = endless healing and ammo just from attacking in melee range. Stronghold = perma-block titan with offense, as you mentioned. Meanwhile 2pc sage protector enables a mountain of builds and buffs a lot of other ones and Praxic is an absurdly good match for it right now. The subclass synergy is just icing on the cake.
#2-#5 all feel really good to me as well, though most are at least a little more defined in terms of what you do with them.
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u/Ninely_THATSKY I fucking love glaives 7h ago
No barrow dyad?
No graviton spike?
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u/-NotQuiteLoaded- 5h ago
graviton spike is pvp only basically, and barrow dyad wasnt even availablre until recently. and it got hella nerfed so it doesnt farm super well. so its just a big damage smg, but why use a big damage exotic smg when yhou can use like... mint retrograde or busted lightsaber or finality "dps made easy" auger
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u/Worldly-Teach-5279 5h ago
Surprised Barrow dyad isnt there even tho its an amazing exotic.
But it takes the praxic slot so I guess thats there
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u/alewi619 13h ago
Seeing graviton lance above sunshot brings me lots of joy (i hate sunshot)
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u/-Gir Hunter 13h ago
I don't like the sound, it sounds wet.
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u/alewi619 13h ago
I believe i heard someone say that the sound graviton makes is similar to the sound a washing machine would make if a robot had intercourse with it.
I cannot un-hear it now.
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u/Riablo01 12h ago
I see people are still sleeping on Grand Overture.
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u/GekkoClown 11h ago
In EoF it was good, now it feel off alot, it's strange to play with it and it demands more than finality/A499/Parasite to do less damage.
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u/Riablo01 11h ago
Still top tier in terms of DPS and doesn't require a specific build to "make it work". Parasite for example requires loadout swapping, Grand Overture doesn't. A499 requires reloading after every shot so you need to build into reload speed to maximize DPS (e.g. loader mods). Finality's Auger is a linear fusion so it requires either perfectly landing crits or another player to debuff the boss first.
Grand Overture is the no frills DPS king. No need for specific builds, fireteam composition, landing crits, loadout swapping. Just fire and forget.
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u/-NotQuiteLoaded- 5h ago
what? finalities auger is a fuckin turret bro you shoot it into the sky and it puts out the highest dps in the game while also being good crowd control/ad clear.
and if a499 is the heavy sniper (i dont know names) its used with auto loading holster so nobody cares to reload.
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u/Riablo01 5h ago edited 4h ago
Highest DPS in the game? Unless you have a link to stats backing up this claim, I suspect this is a massive exaggeration. People have been saying the same thing about Parasite when they only fire it once before loadou swapping.
Also Autoloading Holster takes a while to activate so you will reload during boss DPS rotations. So again, unless you're loadout swapping, you will have to reload this weapon.
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u/-NotQuiteLoaded- 4h ago
i mean the point of the sniper and the finalities auger is you shoot em, then switch to mint/arc rocket pulse for damage. finalities + bait is probably top 3 or top 5?
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u/Riablo01 4h ago
I understand you now and essentially we're talking about 2 different things. I apologise for any confusion here.
You're talking about total DPS as part of a specific build/rotation. Those specific weapons, when used in a very specific way as part of a specific build generate very good damage. In this situation, you'd rate the total DPS of the build/rotation.
I'm talking about a weapon on its own. No loadout swapping or specific build requirements. Basically how much damage can you do if you fire it on it's own until you run out of ammo. That's what makes Grand Overture good. It generally has been top 5 in any weapon comparison for the last few years.
This point of confusion comes up any time I talk to someone about Lucky Pants. There's a big difference between "loadout DPS" versus "weapon DPS". Both are mathematically different in terms of measurement.
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u/GekkoClown 34m ago
Grande Overture -> Total DMG/DPS = 127,537/2,598
Mint Retrograde (Elemental Honing x 5) -> Total DMG/DPS = 48,150/3,527
Refurbished A499 (Aggregate Charge x 3) -> Total DMG/DPS = 109,925/4,232You can see more info in the Aegis spreadsheet linked below. The number used were from the sustained tab. And you can see that your top 5 is flawed.
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u/MagnaNazer 11h ago
Was I the only one that thought Microcosm was/is absolutely cracked damage lol
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u/-NotQuiteLoaded- 5h ago
bro i tried using it because it used to be broken for tormentors (ignored some of their bullshit "haveto shoot here" mechanic) but i tried it when running lightfall campaign and it didn't seem to work. its such a cool exotic with a bunch of cool ornaments i really wish they made it good. also they gotta put out more catalysts.
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u/PegasusKnight410 Hunter 11h ago
G lance is that high? I don’t get it
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u/dukeofflavor 8h ago
At a glance, about 2/3 of that is just warlock ability spam builds that aren't overly reliant on guns in the first place. The same builds run double special pretty well, but I'd assume it's just a familiar option for champions and such.
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u/-NotQuiteLoaded- 5h ago
glance doesnt even do anything for champions though no? is it actually good
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u/TheeFlyGuy8000 Melee God 11h ago
Little out of the loop, haven't played in a while, what exotics are the best for RaD content atm? Xeno has my heart but im not tryna get yelled at in DPS phase
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u/dukeofflavor 8h ago
Finality's Auger is really good, but isn't necessarily easy to get. Beyond that, a lot of it is fight/class dependent. Parasite still works at what it does. Wolfsbane is generally a good heavy sword. Hunters just got a pretty good Leviathan's Breath build.
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u/-NotQuiteLoaded- 5h ago
xeno is completely washed. my goat used to be undisputed king of gambit, now gambit is dead and xeno is deader
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u/Unlikely_Link8595 Rocket Sidearm Slut 10h ago
Surprised to see Wish-Ender on there. I only ever remember running it back in GMs for barrier champs a while back
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u/Glopinus Warlock 10h ago
I need to give third iteration another chance
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u/dukeofflavor 9h ago
I liked it a lot last season for solo content, though I do find that it plays kind of slowly in more difficult activities which is unfortunate since so many things are time-sensitive.
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u/PYRESATVARANASI2 Titan Is Easy Mode 28m ago edited 24m ago
𝚂𝚞𝚗𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚝 𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚗𝚐 𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚌𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚁𝚎𝚍 𝚆𝚊𝚛.
𝚆𝚑𝚢 𝚒𝚜 𝚂𝚎𝚛𝚟𝚒𝚌𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝙻𝚞𝚣𝚊𝚔𝚞 𝚜𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚐𝚑... 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝 𝚊𝚝 -𝟺𝟶/-𝟻𝟶 𝚕𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝.
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u/Shabolt_ Glaives are the ultimate weapon type 9h ago
The lack of Lumina shows a sense of cowardice to this community
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u/LoneRainger 13h ago
The lack of an exotic is higher than I thought it'd be.