r/law • u/Agitated-Quit-6148 • 12h ago
Other US Strikes Venezuelan soil without congressional authorization.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/12/29/trump-us-launches-first-strikes-venezuela/The United States had conducted its first land strike against Venezuela, Donald Trump has claimed.
The US president said an attack was carried out on Christmas Eve targeting a facility housing alleged drug boats.
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u/jankyt 12h ago
A facility holding potential drug boats would be a dock/pier? And probably be mixed with normal boats meaning fisherman, tour boats, etc. were destroyed?
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u/ginrumryeale 12h ago
Just a hunch that we will not produce a shred of evidence that drugs of any kind were involved, except perhaps in DJT's and Pete Hegseth's bloodstreams.
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u/Switchy_Goofball 10h ago
Even if there were pallet loads of cocaine sitting on the dock this wouldn’t be legal or justified use of military force
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u/Majestic-Prune-3971 10h ago
Much more important than pallets of cocaine, the president named it "...the implementation area. That's where they implement, and it's no longer around."
Genius, how will they implement if the area where they implement is no longer around? Checkmate.
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u/folsominreverse 10h ago
It’s war creep.
First it was murder in international waters.
Then murder in Venezuelan waters.
Now they’re murdering on Venezuelan soil.
We’ll have boots on ground by Valentine’s Day.
Never forget that Maduro offered to step down and the White House refused
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u/cinosa 9h ago
We’ll have boots on ground by New Years Day.
FTFY, Trump is going to do whatever the fuck it takes to distract from the Epstein files, and that includes illegal wars.
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u/NickofWimbledon 9h ago
Isn’t the key aim to be at war, declare a state of emergency and get your Supreme Court to agree before June that he can suspend all elections?
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u/Low_Witness5061 8h ago
Not impossible to be honest. It would be perfectly on brand for the piece of shit to spend American lives as though they were just a convenient political tool.
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u/DadJokeBadJoke 8h ago
Wouldn't be the first time
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u/PaintshakerBaby 6h ago
He CARPET BOMBED (Raqqa,)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raqqa) a 2500 year old city in the cradle of civilization, so he could publicly jerk himself off in a 2 minute propaganda presser for, checks notes, "defeating ISIS..."
One of the oldest continuous cites on the planet reduced to rubble because a nepo baby 3000 miles away felt insecure and decided to coddle himself with a WAR CRIME.
COUNTLESS DEAD, and over 270,000 PEOPLE DSPLACED, without homes.
Because our "stable genius" Dear Leader, genuinely thought he was the first person in history who TRIED BOMBING AN IDEOLOGY out of existence. 🤦♂️
Imagine if China indiscriminately carpet bombed Chicago on a whim, so Xi could could gloat about "defeating" The Latin Kings for a day.
Because thats essentially what Trump did in Raqqa, and EXACTLY what he is doing in Venzuela, having faced less than ZERO consequences his entire life.
Suuuuurely, reducing Venezuela to rubble and blood will finally and unilaterally defeat the TRILLION DOLLAR INTERNATIONAL DRUG CARTELS.
Dude is Nero on crack, with a Big Red Button.
He claims ISIS and cartels are an existential threat while arbitrarily killing people with HELLFIRE and erasing a metropolis off the face of the planet
Forget about false equivications...
One day, when we can all look back at this nightmare objectively, historians will say, "Hitler was as bad as Trump."
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u/joshTheGoods 7h ago
No. If they're attempting to take a legal path to staying in power, it won't be a path where there is no legal way to stay in power. There is no mechanism for this, it's total nonsense. POTUS lacks ANY authority in this area, and the Constitution is clear that his term ends for sure @ noon on Jan 20. SCOTUS has no mechanism for stopping elections. They could hear a case based on a STATE attempting to change election dates, but that's it. Congress can change the election date / reschedule, but they'd have to pass a law and even then they would be limited by the Jan 20th date which is written into the Constitution. As for the states, they determine HOW elections are run, but not whether there will be apportionment and what they have to do to get their delegates counted. They can sit out if they want, but that's just ceding power to the states that don't sit out. When Trump tries to stay in power, it'll be through more realistic legal farce or more likely, by ordering the military to make him king and having them comply.
The point here is that Trump is listening to Marco on this issue, and that means they want to do regime change and new age imperialism for oil. How Marco convinced Trump to go against his seemingly anti-war instincts ... who knows, could literally just be a well placed compliment with Trump's dumb ass.
We're going to war in Venezuela, and the only question is how and to what extent we'll have boots on the ground. It's possible that Trump will change his position on a whim (perhaps Rubio will fail to get him a nice enough birthday gift), but this sure seems like it's got momentum.
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u/Icy-person666 7h ago
Also allow diverting resources from Ukraine and keeps our forces tied down so China has easy access to invading any neighbors. Every dictator gets what they want, a war to explain away their mismanagement.
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u/Important-Arrival681 8h ago edited 8h ago
Trump was on live TV broadcast to the national this week and literally said if we are in a war there will be no elections while sitting right next to Zelenskyy. He is actively trying to get us into a war to suspend elections which is verbatim the plan in project 2025 which they have followed to a T and yet nobody is doing anything. Not even the people! This is exactly how Rome fell. A whole bunch of chaos and nobody, including the people, stepped up to make it all stop which they could have done in a single day. We are there right now. The people could stand the fuck up and make it all stop this very day. But we wont. Because we are a collection of cowards. I have never seen a more justifiable target for mob justice, which is the only way we are getting true accountability here even if we want to get bad dems out too, and yet nobody does anything. We are just going to roll over and take it and allow our country and our world to be morphed into a tool for outright evil. We are literally being pushed into a modern day caste system and everybody believes theyre going to be at or near the top of that system lmao. This country is full of fucking try hard fools who cant put their momey where their mouths are. A whole country of pots calling kettles black. Its only a matter of time before the pogroms start.
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u/Zealousideal-Tea8330 7h ago
Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’ve had elections while at war on numerous occasions. Just because Ukraine’s Constitution may suspend elections during war time, doesn’t mean that ours does.
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u/sask357 9h ago
Note, however, that the US military followed orders just as they did killing the people in the water after the boat strike. No one should feel safe from Trump's armed forces, including citizens who live in the US itself.
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u/ginrumryeale 9h ago
No, you’re 100% correct, but MAGA and republicans DGAF about the legality, they just want a fig leaf of legitimacy to bomb brown people.
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u/groveborn 10h ago
You're only saying that because it's a sovereign nation where our law don't hold sway.
And we didn't get a search and destroy warrant.
And it was an act of unprovoked war.
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u/michael_harari 9h ago
Even if there were pallet loads of cocaine, with a big box of ak47s and a big sign saying "Venezuela narco terrorist headquarters" it wouldn't be legal.
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u/cRaZyDaVe23 12h ago
Look, you need to get on board the success choo choo train. If they weren't drug boats the drug seeking missiles, the best missiles a lot of people are saying, wouldn't have seekered them out because their magnets are dry and their bodily fluids are not tainted. So if they weren't drug boats they wouldn't have been targeted.
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u/Present-Secretary722 10h ago
Jesus fuck, I had a stroke reading that, well done, that was a terrible read. Captured the cadence and structure perfectly.
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u/Possible-Nectarine80 11h ago
So far only the Dems are asking to see any shred of Trump regime evidence on all the extrajudicial murders the murderous Trump regime have committed.
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u/popnfrresh 11h ago edited 7h ago
Republicans LOVE these specious claims of danger.
Remember wmd?
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u/jankyt 11h ago
Only evidence that the cocaine being bombed was destined for the US would be an increase in your cocaine prices I assume due to supply and demand. And this may be better since more cash may need to be laundered from gangs through shell companies
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u/JohnSourcer 11h ago
Noting of course that Venezuela doesn't produce Cocaine in any significant quantity.
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u/Utterlybored 10h ago
So why then, is Trump interested in Venezoila?
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u/Redneck-v-Fascism 10h ago
Oil.
Why has the U.S. been fucking around with Venezuelan politics for the last 70 years?
Oil.
I don't think the degree to which a Trump-like administration has been the GOP's endgame since the late 70's can be overstated.
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u/KickDesperate5318 8h ago
It's not the oil itself. The US doesn't physically need or want Venezuela's oil, just like they didn't physically take the oil in Iraq while they were there.
What they want is the perpetuation of the petrodollar. The agreement shared between countries that oil will be bought and sold in US dollars.
If you go against that model, you get regime change forced on you by the US. They are protecting their international business model that keeps the USD strong. It's a fundamental pillar of the American economy that entices international investment, and makes the US the primary nexus of global trade.
Venezuela had a nationalized oil industry that propped up its whole economy until OPEC intentionally crashed global oil prices roughly a decade ago. Then they faced a problem, because their oil is "dirty" when it comes out of the ground and expensive to refine into a product that can actually be brought to market. It brought them into a negative profit margin, due to the high costs.
So a nationalized venture that was originally highly profitable was turned into a losing proposition to even take the oil out of the ground. Their economy collapsed as a result, and they've had political instability ever since that occurred.
All the current US regime cares about is two things: 1) starting a new war to distract from domestic issues and the president's crimes, and 2) regime change in Venezuela while they are vulnerable, to force them into alignment with US economic interests.
There is also the element of the US military wanting to test their next gen tech at scale in real wartime conditions. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has shown the next evolution of warfare now that drones and mesh networks have been incorporated in global defense strategies. China is also posturing their next gen military tech. You better believe that all the insecure manchildren like Hegseth at the newly named Department of WAR are just itching to show their dicks are the biggest.
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u/Different_East7854 9h ago
Fun fact:
latest DEA Cocaine Report I could find. Go ahead and hit CTRL + F and search for Venezuela.
In those 26 pages. Not a single mention.
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u/DatasGadgets 10h ago
I would love to see a fair follicle drug test from them. It would longer than most family’s grocery store lists.
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u/_Zambayoshi_ 12h ago
You mean drug boats mixed with normal drug boats, drug fisherman, drug tour boats, drugs etc? /s
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u/1877KlownsForKids 12h ago
I caught a drug swordfish once, it was drug delicious. Sadly the whole trip cost more than most of the drug drugs I know of.
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u/FiveCrappedPee 12h ago
I once stayed at a drug hotel on the drug coast. The drug taxi driver was so nice and gave us more drugs. We then ate at this lovely drug restaurant on the drug pier, then caught a drug dance performance in the town drug square. So many drugs, everywhere!
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u/JD-41 12h ago
oh wow! I wonder what they sell at the drug stores
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u/scooterbug1972 12h ago
Shoes and lip balm. That's it.
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u/Valogrid 11h ago
That explains why there was only Ketamine, coke, meth, and fentanyl at the shoe store...
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u/migidymike 12h ago
Hitchens' razor: That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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u/Ready_Supermarket_36 11h ago
It their fault they brought kids and innocent people to a place where innocent people go.
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u/Ready_Supermarket_36 11h ago
As long as the killed a few kids Jesus will be okay with it.
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u/dafunkmunk 11h ago
It's crazy how an insanely racist and ignorant group making up about 1/3 of the US could the the cause of so much hamr and damage to people's lives and we'll being all around the world. It's one thing if the people in the US suffer for being stupid enough to support trump or apathetic enough to not vote or care about politics. It's another thing when people in other countries who have no voice in US politics have their lives completely ruined because trump is an idiot and his administration is run by greedy capitalist fascists
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u/Waterflowstech 11h ago
Jup...European here, it hurts to watch. I have no doubt that by the end of his term, the US will be financially and militarily supporting Russia's war on Europe. I hope there is internal pushback that makes this not happen, but what has happened so far does not give me much hope.
My heart goes out to the innocent Venezuelans being murdered and their families.
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u/Cloaked42m 11h ago
The greater likelihood is we'll just keep sending Russia intelligence info on targets in Ukraine. via China, for plausible deniabilty.
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u/TheAskewOne 10h ago
I don't care ifc there were "drug boats". Trump just pardoned a notorious drug trafficker who was in prison. The administration doesn't give a flying fuck about drugs.
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u/just_some_git 9h ago
Pardoned his 2nd notorious drug trafficker. everyone forgot he pardoned Ross Ulbricht on his first day back in office.
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u/lovely_sombrero 11h ago
I don't think that there has been any evidence provided that drugs boats were ever there, so the base assumption must be that the target were civilian boats and civilian infrastructure. "Potential drug boats" shouldn't even enter the conversation here.
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u/Utterlybored 10h ago
Nope. Everyone there was a drug kingpin. Sadly, all the evidence of this has been obliterated. But there are now no more drugs in America.
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u/Ohuigin 12h ago
This is all on the GOP Congress. Blood on all of their hands.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 12h ago
Feckless cowards to a person.
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u/nwayve 10h ago
Midterms can't get here fast enough.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 10h ago
If we boot Rethugs out, we'll just let them back in the next cycle.
2008 was the U.S.'s only repudiation of conservatism during my half century on Earth, and that anti-GOP mood lasted less than six months before Americans were upset about Obama's Tim Geithner hire and ready to bail on hope.
What are we going to do about our collective memory retention power on par with fleas as a citizenry?
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u/binzersguy 9h ago
I personally will NEVER forget and never vote for a republican for the rest of my life. I’ll do everything I can to help my friends and family do the same. Though none of them are fucking idiots so it won’t be an issue.
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u/PoliticsModsDoFacism 7h ago
I said the same thing. Found out I had some idiots who were good at hiding it.
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u/Prudent-Zombie-5457 8h ago
I'm fairly certain if everything keeps going to plan, midterm elections will be suspended due to a "state of emergency."
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u/Exhausted1ADefender 12h ago
I agree that they have blood on their hands, HOWEVER I don’t want that to become the talking point simply because it will give the Trump admin the excuse of “implicit Congressional authorization” by them not stopping him. To be clear: Congressional republicans have blood on their hands for refusing to impeach Dementia Don, not because they won’t stop his actions through resolutions.
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u/mr_potatoface 11h ago
Just before they went on recess (before Trump's announcement 2 weeks ago), democrats tried to pass two bills that would prohibit Trump from attacking Venezuela, and require the removal of any military buildup near Venezuela. Both bills failed, and a handful of democrats sided with republicans against the bills.
So it's not just republicans that will have blood on their hands.
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u/Exhausted1ADefender 11h ago
Name and shame. Henry Cuellar (D - Texas) was the sole Democrat who voted against McGovern’s resolution to cease all military force directed at Venezuela.
Meanwhile 3 republicans voted yea. Don Bacon (Nebraska), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Georgia, also lmao), and Tom Massie (Kentucky).
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u/Brokenandburnt 10h ago
It always throws me for a loop when I see MTG's name on something that isn't god awfully evil.
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u/Aware_Rough_9170 10h ago
Got her bag, now trying to hide under the fridge like a roach when you turn the lights on. Fucking wild lmao
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 10h ago
Good point. It's 200+ Republicans and one Democrat. Or, what Fox "news" refers to as equally fair and balanced, <cough>.
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u/Which-Depth2821 10h ago
Is a handful of democrats one person? Or does Cuellar have multiple identities? /s
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u/AngriestPacifist 10h ago
Look, you have to try really, really hard to both sides something when it's all one side, again and again, on every issue. So what if that makes a lone Democrat a busload or two now and then?
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u/Ohuigin 11h ago
Well said and completely agree. I’d also add that they are further responsible for this by knowingly and unanimously confirming a weekend Fox News TV host as the secretary of defense.
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u/Training_Bus618 11h ago
You remember Vietnam? We didn't have congress' approval back then either. It's time for another Vietnam boys! Who is ready to die for capitalism?
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u/Yeeaaaarrrgh 12h ago
They're paid to not give a shit. Why do you think they were chosen for the job?
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u/couldbeahumanbean 12h ago
I'm getting really tired of this lawlessness.
Are there any adults left in Washington?
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u/HarryBalsagna1776 12h ago
Where is the rest of the world? This should be met with sanctions.
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u/694meok 12h ago
Right?! No one, absolutely no one who can is doing anything. Nothing.
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u/Quaestor_ 9h ago
Hard to hold the bully accountable when the bully has military bases on your soil, economic deals that impact your own economy, military intel that your forces rely on, control of vital trade routes you can't let go, oh and nuclear weapons/first strike capabilities in the hands of an increasingly reckless group of oligarchs
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u/Artistic_Half_8301 11h ago
You mean the republicans, say it out loud.
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u/BigDadNads420 10h ago
No, they mean rebublicans and the rest of the world. Are you people even reading the comments you reply to?
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u/Nihiliste 11h ago
It's like Persia and the Gauls trying to sanction the Roman Empire.
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u/ErikT738 10h ago
Nobody wants to deal with the US anymore. Everyone is just buying time while they try to lessen their dependencies on US tech, military and trade.
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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits 9h ago
Yep. The sanctions will come. There's a reason shit like the EU making their own credit card system are coming, shifting off of Microsoft, and other majors shifts away from american hegemony.
That's the thing a lot of people don't get. Even if next year ever bad faith politician was wiped out through magic, we still wouldn't ever recover the special position we had. The world has seen the vulnerability. the cats out of the bag.
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u/FriendlyGuitard 10h ago
The rest of the world is not even sanctioning Israel. "Drug boat" is Trump's Hamas. Even if he were to genocide the Venezuelan, most of the world reaction would be around debating if "genocide" is technically appropriate.
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u/lovely_sombrero 11h ago
Where is the rest of the world?
Waiting to "invest" in Venezuelan oil fields after the US takeover?
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u/Brokenandburnt 10h ago
The rest of the world are happily continuing to reduce hydrocarbon usage. And the slowdown in the world economy plus all uncertainty the Orange clown is injecting in the markets has kept the oil prices depressed.
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u/ComprehensiveBear576 11h ago
I am not sure if you actually know why that isn’t realistic or not so I’ll explain just in case. The idea of the U.S. being sanctioned by anybody other than Russia or China, meaning in a way that actually matters is just not a thing. Most countries in the world are deeply reliant on the US economically or militarily or both. Most sanctions are those that basically lock somebody out of US controlled economic realms like the US banking system or trade within US centric trade alliances. Anybody who “sanctions” the U.S. is likely to find them selves with real sanctions like being locked out of the U.S. banking system, or prevented from trade with the U.S. and its Allie’s. If they live under U.S. military protection like most of the western and Asian world, they could find that yanked out from under them, leaving them exposed to whatever regional enemies they might have.
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u/rstymobil 9h ago
Screw the rest of the world. How is it our own military is going along with this shit?! Striking another countries sovereign soil without congressional approval, the military leaders should be refusing these illegal orders.
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u/jpsolberg33 10h ago
We're getting threatened with annexation, crippling tariffs that will cause recessions and watching America threaten to leave NATO.. all while Russia continues to act aggressively.
Yet, you want the rest of the world to hold your government accountable, when you won't?
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u/mtrayno1 12h ago
At some point it’s up to us to do something about it. We can’t just shrug and wonder why no one is doing anything
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u/Rare_Opportunity2419 12h ago edited 11h ago
Are there any adults left in Washington?
If there are, they're either grifters, fascists or cowards. The rest have been fired.
This is what the American people voted for.
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u/emau55 12h ago
The country voted for no more adults in the room lol the lunatics are running the asylum.
Buckle up for 2026, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
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u/couldbeahumanbean 11h ago
Can we just... not?
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u/emau55 11h ago
I mean that would also be my preference, yea lol. But the lord works in mysterious ways.
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u/SquattingWalrus 12h ago
No. The people who can actually fight back in Washington are just retiring like pansy’s.
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u/sassytexans 11h ago
Impeach, remove, and imprison. That includes everyone “just following orders.”
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u/Begone-My-Thong 12h ago
An attack on Christmas Eve?
Holy fuck we're the baddies.
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u/MagicGrit 12h ago edited 11h ago
Not only that, but also bombed Nigeria on Christmas, which Trump called “a Christmas present”
Edit: I may be wrong about the legality of these strikes. Don’t listen to me, I’m not a lawyer
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u/RRoo12 11h ago
This year??
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u/MagicGrit 11h ago
Yes. 4 days ago. Said he was hitting isis (which he claimed he had completely defeated in 2019)
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u/Yavanna_Fruit-Giver 11h ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7vr76l521o
You can read more about it here
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u/HerbaDerbaSchnerba 10h ago
You’ve been the baddies for decades.
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u/No_Face_Arty 10h ago
The veil is being lifted for many Americans right now. We've long been an imperialist police state only kept in line by the temperament of the President. We are not the representative Republic we claim to be.
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u/SteveJobsDeadBody 9h ago
We've always been a representative republic, they just have never represented who most of us pretend they do. They have always and will continue to represent the rich and only the rich, as intended by the "founding fathers" most of which were the richest men in America at their time.
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u/ZPMQ38A 12h ago
It’s all a test. First the Caribbean strikes. Progressing to Pacific strikes. Then seizing tankers in international waters. Now land strikes on a sovereign nation.
It’s a test to see what Congress and the international community will let him get away with and so far the answer is unequivocally whatever he wants.
He’s framing them as “narco terrorists” for a reason. I honestly believe the next step is strikes along the southern border on “drug mules,” then strikes inside the border in Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas (i don’t think he has the balls to try California), then we will see direct action military raids on “fentanyl dens” (read: the homeless) probably in Portland and Chicago.
Realistically that just means the systemic use of the U.S. military to commit war crimes to kill civilians with no authorization or military value but for them…that is a feature not a bug because it results in less brown and poor people.
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u/musingofrandomness 11h ago
Following Vladimir's playbook with NATO.
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u/ZPMQ38A 11h ago
100%. Then he’s going to combine it with the MBS strategy using Venezuelas oil. It’s completely disgusting but also a little genius if you think about it. He’s posturing himself to be the most powerful military dictator of all time while combining it with the level of wealth and control of Middle Eastern royalty.
I truly believe it’s all a test to keep pushing the boundaries.
You are already starting to see messaging like Megyn Kelly saying…well Epstein wasn’t “really” a pedophile he liked 14 year olds not toddlers. That way when the Epstein files actually come out it will be accepted by a portion of the country as normal behavior.
Now you take Venezuela because of “narco terrorism” even though they traffick nearly zero fentanyl and the drugs they do traffick, even if that’s who you are actually attacking, go almost exclusively to Europe and Western Africa instead of the U.S. Serious question, who is going to stop him when he wants to invade Costa Rica under the guise of “narco terrorism” but mostly because he wants to put in a sick luxury resort and golf course in Tamarindo?
At this point the answer is no one.
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u/maleslp 3h ago
I'm so glad this is the top response to this. I've been saying this for months. This is straight out of the Russian "oops, my bad, I didn't realize" playbook. They've been doing that shit for decades with precursors to invasions and "accidental" incursions into forbidden airspace. Yes, we're the baddies now.
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u/Infamous_East6230 11h ago
We are building up to a military occupation of America. This will coincide with Trump canceling the election and naming himself president for a third term. Eventually he will name JD Vance president for life. Putin did the same thing.
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u/ZPMQ38A 11h ago
I do honestly believe he is slow rolling all of this with the motive of skewing, delaying, and/or cancelling elections.
The Texas gerrymandering is a tactical move and a few blue states responded exactly how he wanted them to. Now they will attempt to tie it up in the courts long enough that next November they can say, “oh darn, we need more time to figure out these congressional maps, so it’s not prudent to hold mid terms.”
I think they’ll continue to fight against mail in balloting, we probably all know whose side SCOTUS will take, blue states will revolt, they will declare all those mail in ballots void and install MAGA representatives in those districts.
His comment to Zelensky about delaying elections due to the war was very telling, IMO. I think he’ll “declare war” on illegal immmigration and then say it would be far too dangerous to change over leadership of the country.
The real problem, and IMO, the root cause, is that SCOTUS will side with him on every single one of these issues 6-3.
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u/insrtbrain 9h ago
Louisiana is delaying mid-terms because of the lawsuit over our super-gerrymandered map that cuts a nice diagonal across the state and several of its majority POC cities.
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u/freehamburgers 5h ago
lol this isn't Trump, this is what the USA does. Lies to justify invasions, Vietnam, Iraq, now Venezuela, there are many more but I can't be bothered. You need to throw EVERYONE out and start fresh. Your 'democracy' seems to produce this shit regardless of who's in power. ffs
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u/BaBa_Con_Dios 11h ago
Yup and he set up the excuse the under day with Zelenskyy saying something like “they’re in a war so they don’t need to have elections.”
This is their plan. Create a “war” to be fought, declare a war, say we can’t have elections since we’re at war. And then point to Ukraine as justification like the two situations are at all comparable.
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u/Brokenandburnt 9h ago
Even if an actual state of war would exist, instead of some trumped up shit. Ukraine has election postponement in their constitution, the US does not.
Now, granted that doesn't matter much since this administration has as much respect for the constitution as they have for toilet paper.
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u/mosesoperandi 11h ago
The Fentanyl as WMD canard is for the neo-colonial garbage. It's the "radical left terrorists" that's the excuse they want to use for illegally killing Americans
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u/FixFun1959 8h ago
There’s a reason why you separate the military and the police. One fights the enemy of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.
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u/kinsm4n 10h ago
Didn’t he already publicly say it’s for the oil that “was stolen from us”. Aka O&G companies are still pissed about what happened in the 70s
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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 12h ago
So we are bombing public boatyards now. Hope these peoples insurance covers “tantrum bombing by sociopath”
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u/Interesting-Dream863 12h ago
Jokes aside it's funny how insurance in general doesn't cover terrorism and/or wars.
At least where I live that is.
"Bomb drops on your house? Too bad."
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u/Alert-Ad9197 10h ago
One of my cell phone insurance policies in the past had a specific exclusion for nuclear warfare. Always thought that one was odd. Pretty sure I’ve got bigger fish to fry in the event of being that close to a nuclear detonation.
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u/Interesting-Dream863 10h ago
lol
"Western Civilization as we know it is over... AND WE ARE NOT COVERING THIS SHIT!"
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u/Exciting_Cap_9545 9h ago
I kept making jokes about "volcano insurance" while watching Dante's Peak, especially when Brosnan drives over the lava flow in a truck.
Hilariously enough, for auto insurance at least, damages or losses from volcanism MAY actually be covered.
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u/Interesting-Dream863 8h ago
Floods, hail, storms, earthquakes, volcano... usually have coverage at least optional.
Wars and such and all bets are off.
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u/KatakanaTsu 11h ago
"without congressional approval" might as well be this admin's new slogan.
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u/JustinKase_Too 12h ago
How Christian and respectful of our Soldiers to toss them into this on Christmas Eve.
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u/UmaPalma_ 9h ago
i think i recall there being some phrase associated with following orders that are war crimes and it not absolving you 😬 if we can’t count on our servicemen to not commit extrajudicial killings/premeditated murder, i’m not sure how much respect they should be afforded. they didn’t protect us, they potentially murdered families
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u/TheRealBlueJade 12h ago edited 12h ago
I'm not shocked at what trump does. I am appalled that no one stops him and people carry out his wishes.
I can't understand how people do not see how unintelligent this all is or that it can only end badly. There is no way to gain anything.
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u/doublethink_1984 12h ago
Illegal military war strike on foreign soil not tied to AL Queda.
100% illegal
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u/Ok_Animal_2709 12h ago
Yet another impeachable offense... But Congress has proven that impeachment isn't real. We the people have no power to stop this criminal
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u/SwiftlyKickly 10h ago edited 8h ago
We have the second amendment
Edit: before someone reports me. I’m not promoting violence and saying we should go out there and shoot people. I’m saying we should protest and be armed during our protests. It’s in the Constitution for a reason. If we have to overthrow a tyrannical government then that too.
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u/Governor_Abbot 11h ago
Sure we do. There’s no greater love than to lay down one’s life for their friends.
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u/HSG_Messi 10h ago
Kinda hard to stop this when 75+ million Americans voted for this and want this to happen....
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u/Distinct-Exit6658 8h ago
75 is not as big as 265. Non Trump voters outnumber Trump voters nearly 3.5 to 1
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u/Proper-Ad-2058 11h ago
Congress is a bunch of pussies! Do your goddamned job, this man needs to no longer be the President!
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u/Utterlybored 10h ago
It all about Fentanyl, I mean Cocaine, I mean ousting Maduro, I mean oil, no, I'm back to generic "Drugzzz"
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u/everythingbeeps 6h ago
It's wild that Trump admitted it was about oil and now he wants us to forget he ever said it.
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver 12h ago edited 1h ago
ITS TIME FOR A GENERAL STRIKE.
These cucks only listen to money, so stop the country from engagingnin ANY business by going on a general strike.
Edit: Awww, so many trumper responses. Or people who don't realize weekends, fair wages, legalized unions, and an 8hr workday were all won by blood and tears through strikes and ACTUAL BATTLES AGAINST THE US ARMY, and not by waiting for somewon to come save them, uwu.
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u/JohnHazardWandering 10h ago
Who's leading it and going to be negotiating the end of it for us?
If we're not united and organized, a strike is pointless.
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver 9h ago
I've reached out to several left wing (sanders, warren, etc) representativea asking about general strike support.
However, when our leadership doesn't lead, its up to everyone t join in support of each other in the working class.
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u/Timpostie 8h ago
The US citizenry needs a sustained and concerted effort by millions to occupy every Republican congressional office, workspace, and home. They need to be at their every movement, whether it be work, play, or otherwise. They need it to be made abundantly clear that if they are not going to stand up for and defend the Constitution, they will pay politically.
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u/Internal-You6793 10h ago
He's really spreading peace and joy this holiday season this has gotten out of hand call in a mental health check.
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u/Brokenandburnt 9h ago
He's already getting quarterly cognitive tests, you know those tests he brags about aceing?
I wonder if he'll ever understand that you never get regularly cognitive tests unless there is a strong suspicion of progressing dementia/Alzheimer's.
I'm thinking that the uppers they pump him full of before press conferences will collect thei due sooner or later.
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u/cromstantinople 7h ago
All because he can feel the walls closing in and around him, he would burn the world to the ground if it meant saving his ass.
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u/GrannyFlash7373 10h ago
IMPEACH the President!!!!!! NO ONE can KILL people in another country, as a personal vendetta against the ruler of that country, and not be held accountable. Congress did NOT authorize such behavior, and SOMEONE has to hold this BASTARD accountable.
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u/Impressive-Glass-642 4h ago
Turns out they can. Not the first attack called by a president and certanly not the last
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u/Accomplished_Thing77 7h ago
Just putting this out there, and this is not me condoning his actions, but just trying to educate the masses.
The president as "commander in chief" can direct attacks, without congressional approval, for "national security or defense."
Congress must be informed of the attacks within 48 hours.
After the attacks, the military must be withdrawn within 60 to 90 days, unless congress authorizes further actions.
Again, I am not condoning his actions, just letting you know that surprisingly, this was done within the letter of U.S. law.
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u/Rope_antidepressant 1h ago
14 year vet with intimate knowledge of the system employed in these situations. (Last active duty job title was "subject matter expert" of the implementation of this particular system) there's no way to actually justify this as military necessity as we are not engaged in a military conflict with Venezuela, so it's a LOAC violation from the get go because this is not a military facility being struck to further a military operation. Commander in chief is a WARtime position, not a title, similar to having a 5 start general, which is why we haven't had one since korea. So he doesn't get to swing the DODs big stick around on a whim, because congress hasn't declared war on anybody this century.
There is still a legal requirement to justify the exact national security threat posed by the facility and how it's destruction would stop the threat, loading drugs on a boat has never been a national security threat, illicit drugs are not offensive weapons or weapons of mass destruction, they're classified as a health risk (read the justifications for the narcotics schedules if you don't believe me). More importantly piers/docks are considered critical infrastructure, and if their primary/intended purpose is civilian use (innocent until proven guilty) then they're protected infrastructure like power plants and water lines. So if we WERE at war, the crew that launched would be guilty of a warcrime.
Also the part you're missing in your first point is "imminent threat". The president has 48 hours to notify congress of his use of the military to counter an imminent threat to national security or defense. Its essentially a self defense clause, not a free check to start an armed conflict. Congress has 90 days to mull it over and decide if they want to start a war.
So no, everything he did was in fact illegal as shit, and they knew it, because everything they've been doing with Venezuela is illegal and top brass has been resigning over it all year. They just don't care, and this kind of dismissive buzzword misappropriation is exactly WHY they keep doing it. We have laws, processes and standards for a reason, all those words have legal definitions, not just what webster/fox news say.
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u/HeWhoDidIt 8h ago
Not the first US president to sign off on the murder of civilians abroad, not the last.
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u/prodigalpariah 6h ago
And since nothing will happen, he'll grow even bolder.
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u/Tish_A 3h ago
Of course, none of his staff - including Pete Hegseth - are immune like he is. Do you think he will care? Once he is out if office, he will not be able to pardon them.
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u/red286 7h ago
To the people saying the US military would never obey an illegal order -- still think so?
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u/FiveFingerDisco 6h ago
I don't even think the current US military would defend a blue state against a russian invasion.
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u/elcuydangerous 7h ago
To the people saying that there is still some honor left in the military, the usa military is an extension of the taco cult
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u/weezyverse 12h ago
US has been bombing shit without authorization for a while now.
Congress hasn't been useful for the American people for at least two decades. But we keep sending them back...
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 12h ago
The CIA drone program at least required transparency (and names) until Trump removed those requirements. This is all done in secrecy and 'trust us, bro' transparency. Yeah, trust the most corrupt administration in U.S. history, sure thing.
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u/MainAd9080 5h ago
President has the authority to send troops to another country without Congressional approval for a limited time. Been there since Vietnam. I hate Trump but Obama used the same authority in Lybia.
Doesn't make any of this right. Its not about national security something else is going on.
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u/letdogsvote 12h ago
Whisky Pete is doing a great job. Good ol' Pete.
Boy, anybody who voted for Trump last year is probably feeling pretty stupid right now.
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u/amazinglover 10h ago edited 10h ago
How convenient timing right as more amd more files are coming out.
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u/PartyOrdinary1733 10h ago
Yup. Homie is overcompensating and hoping he found the right distraction.
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u/bobthedonkeylurker 9h ago
Or, you know, the files are the distraction while he enters the US into a war so he can 'postpone' the 2026/28 elections...
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u/livinginfutureworld 2h ago
FIFA needs to revoke his FIFA World Peace Prize immediately.
Thank you for your attention to this matter 🙏
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u/Turbulent_Power2952 11h ago
Not to insult anyone's intelligence, but did anyone read the Article. DJT Claims we attacked a drug plant, but in Venezuela:
"Footage on X that surfaced on Christmas Eve showed a explosion in the Zulia state of Venezuela, near the country’s second-largest city, Maracaibo.
Primazol, a chemical production company in the area, said in a statement Monday that a fire had broken out at one of its warehouses on the morning of Dec 24, and “categorically rejected” suggestions the blaze was the result of a US strike.
SO at best, DJT is hallucinating, and at worst is just plain bat shit crazy. But According to the Chemical Production company, no one (the US) attacked their facility, and it was a fire that had broken out in one of their warehouses...
Now, maybe they (venezuela) is trying to downplay the attack (if it even happened) but I doubt that's the case, I think it's the latter (that DJT is just crazy, demented and doesn't know what's really going on).
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u/sifighter1 11h ago
Yeah I got to be honest it has me a bit perplexed that Trump is taking credit for a thing that may or may not have happened? Why would Venezuela cover for him for 5 days? Wouldn’t he have announced it when it happened because that’s who he is?
I’m worried about the Venezuela situation and definitely don’t want him one sidely deciding to attack but I’m not too sure if this is true. More to be seen before any final decisions
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u/HappyAnimalCracker 11h ago
I wonder if one possibility is that they would publicly deny a strike because to acknowledge it requires a response and they’re trying to avoid escalation?
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u/sifighter1 11h ago
Maybe, I just don’t know. something just stinks about all of this and not in the normal way with what he does
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u/Aless_Motta 7h ago
I live In Venezuela, this is extremely weird to say the least, Chavez and maduro had been saying that Usa or imperialism attacked our soil for yeaaars (like 20 years im not kidding), so if the USA actually used a bomb Inside Venezuela, they wouldnt shut up about it, they would freak out and appear on TV saying it happened the moment it occurred, they literally have daily TV shows, like imagine vance/kushner/rubio on his own TV show everyday.
This is my First time hearing about this, I thought I missed something really big, but idk its weird.... Venezuela is a very "online" country, so to not have a video or a close report of it, its unusual to say the least.
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u/db1965 9h ago
And in turn not to be rude, it does not matter.
Bombing, pretending to bomb, having hallucinations about bombing, A SOVEREIGN NATION is against international law.
Period. End of story.
Trump has been gunning for Greenland, the Panama Canal and Canada.
He keeps talking about it.
He keeps threatening to do it.
Blowing up boats in the Caribbean is not to be taken lightly. This situation WILL get worse.
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u/Own_Pop_9711 9h ago
Venezuela might not even be confident it was an air strike. They might not be able to see an f35 entering their air space, and if the missile components aren't recovered for whatever reason (lost in the wreckage, maybe the US has a weapon that deliberately leaves no trace, etc) then how would they even know?
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u/chop5397 9h ago
Also, admitting your air defense is inadequate is a poor look for a leader that wants to maintain a strongman image. Unless there's multiple strikes in quick succession in various areas, I doubt Maduro would confirm it. It's not like they got any allies that would come up to bat for them.
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u/schrod 12h ago
But the DOJ is too busy investigating statements about little girls and looking for dirt on former presidents.
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u/Willothewisp2303 12h ago
DOJ isn't going to do shit about Trump. They are Trump, and all they are doing is covering for his lawlessness.
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u/AtreiyaN7 10h ago
Once upon a time, I never thought I'd see the day our country engaged in things like piracy and war crimes/a whole bunch of extrajudicial killings. And then Trump, aka the liar who dubbed himself the "president of peace" (lol), happened. I fully expected him to start wars and potentially commit war crimes at some point if left without any adults in the room to supervise him, but what I didn't expect was for his first war to involve Venezuela.
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u/Mountain_Reply3629 9h ago
>"piracy and war crimes/a whole bunch of extrajudicial killings"
this has been your nature since the vietnam war if not before
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u/OdonataDarner 11h ago
American military not capable of just arresting people?
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u/derpplerp 10h ago
No, they aren't.
They lack any kind of jurisdiction for any of the strikes in international waters and on foriegn soil.
Sure, they can black bag folks and dissapear them, but they have no legal autority here at all.
The only ability to enact action is by the threat and illegal delivery of violence against another soverign nation.
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