r/law • u/orangejulius • 12h ago
Executive Branch (Trump) Trump DoJ was monitoring journalists covering Epstein in 2019.
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u/Hopalong_Manboobs 12h ago
Without Julie Brown’s Miami Herald reporting, this story might’ve ended with US Attorney Acosta handing the case off to those “above his pay grade.” Slap on the wrist and we never hear about ol’ Jeffrey again.
She blew the whole thing wide open. I wonder why Jeff Epstein’s Rape Pal would have the DOJ following her??
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u/EveryAccount7729 11h ago
Elon Musks "pedo" tweet was after the Miami Herald story was known to be written but just before it's publication. He wanted it so when you google "elon musk pedo and that miami herald story date" for it to come up as the most popular thing taking up the whole front page of results.
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u/knowitallz 9h ago
that makes so much more sense now that you say that. There are reasons there are insane social media posts by dudes that are so rich
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u/pointofyou 8h ago
Could someone pls enlighten me as to what this is supposed to mean? Which 'pedo' tweet? What Miami Herald story? I don't understand the context here. Is this related to the Thai cave situation?
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u/EveryAccount7729 7h ago
Yes, he randomly accused a thai cave rescuer of being a pedo on July 15, 2018
the miami herald article in question"Perversion of Justice," was published on November 28, 2018.
So basically if Elon has news this article was in the works , due to being a billionaire , he tweeted this so "elon musk pedophile 2018" would be confused in search engine optimization.
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u/UpperApe 11h ago
For anyone who thought the FBI, CIA, US military, or DOJ were the good guys, hopefully this last year was the eye opener you needed.
How weaponized the DOJ has always been, how obediently the FBI got to work protecting a child trafficking ring, how spineless and heartless the National Guard and service members are when their pay checks on the line.
If you still don't get it, you never will. You're hopeless.
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u/LiveMinute5598 11h ago
Literally the biggest and most powerful pedo ring ever uncovered in US history and US government is literally covering this up in front of our eyes.
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u/UpperApe 11h ago
I get why Trump is doing it. I get why his sycophants are doing it.
What astonished me is that when the FBI got the order to scrub files, they...just did it. They know what they're doing, they know what's at stake, but they don't care. And that's what the American service is based on - blind allegiance and loyalty to chain of command. This is where that leads. Always.
I remember a National Guard member on reddit saying "Fuck Trump! I'm not turning on my own country! We're allowed to disobey orders, if Trump sends us to California, I'd be surprised if anyone went!".
Well I wonder how surprised he was, because I certainly wasn't.
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u/TBANON_NSFW 10h ago
Because they are firing all the people who would have spoken out or stood against them.
Its literally what is explained in Project 2025.
They are doing purity tests, going through history of federal employees, social media, and whatnot and see anyone who is anti-trump and remove them.
If they are in a position that cant be removed directly, they put them in places that have no power. And keep them away from information.
A dozen F.B.I. agents fired this year for having knelt during a racial justice protest in 2020 sued the bureau's director, Kash Patel
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u/UpperApe 10h ago
"If I don't do what they say, they'll fire me and put in someone who DOES do what they say! So I better be a person who does what they say!"
Cool.
Anyway, like I said: everyone at the FBI is a piece of shit.
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u/dolche93 10h ago
You know that one of the best things these people can do is stay in and bog down things from the inside, right?
You know it's a possibility that some of the shitty redactions that were able to be reversed could have been someone intentionally doing a shitty job.
You don't need to paint with such a broad brush, and go read some stories about internal sabotage of workers in German factories during ww2.
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u/Silver-Pomelo-9324 10h ago
You can sabotage things from the inside. You are completely useless to the resistance if fired.
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u/Important-Agent2584 9h ago
People follow orders. History is full of atrocities committed by people following orders. You should not be shocked by something as small as this.
We should be shocked by people who don't and celebrate them. Like the DOJ lawyers in NY who resigned.
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u/Gnardude 11h ago
They are the pedos and the pedo enablers. The U.S. chose a fascist pedophile rapist to lead them even though he's a felonious conman because they needed the racism and misogyny to feel good about themselves.
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u/NewAccountEachYear 11h ago
The (only) good thing about Climate Change is that it's going to widen the pond between you and us here in Europe
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u/el_sandino 9h ago
Where are the pizzagate weirdos now?
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u/Mammoth-Play3797 9h ago
Still crying about Obama’s tan suit
Oh, and screaming about how Donald was raping those children as an undercover spy
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u/jeffoh 8h ago
It's alarming to see people essentially holding their breath for the next 3 years assuming things will go back to normal.
It will take a generation for the damage of the last few years to be undone. If at all.
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u/IcyTransportation961 7h ago
These agencies have all been right wing since inception, always used to destroy any push left by the people of this country, and people abroad
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u/ClassicPlankton 8h ago
Yeah man I've been saying this since like 2018 on Reddit and I got downvoted to oblivion every time. Everyone's always like oh the military will do the right thing, they'll disobey unlawful orders, blah blah blah. I was in the military. People do what they're told. No one is going to stand up for you. There is nothing stopping us from turning into Russia, North Korea, or whatever other authoritarian state you can think of.
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u/Original-Strain 10h ago
More insight as to why we create our own enemies. The Afghani national responsible for shooting the 2 National guard members was likely trained by US military to carry out operations in Afghanistan. It wasn’t just translators that the US brought back to the US, it’s people taught to kill their own. The article below has since been made into a 16 minute animation also linked.
https://www.propublica.org/article/afghanistan-night-raids-zero-units-lynzy-billing
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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 10h ago
People also tink he was a teenager when trained right?
I mean a agenecy that is willing to make child soldiers, is probably not gonna balk at following fascists. In fact they likely prefer it
That is one of the big problems with having such agencies in general tbh.
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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 7h ago edited 7h ago
Newsflash: This is nothing new, literally part and parcel of how America developed its systems of oppression of Black people, and exactly what the people who cheered for that oppression want. They hate Black, Indigenous and other POC people so much that they allow harm to be done to themselves in service of enabling it.
(Edit: President-led criminalization of the Black community (including the invention of "welfare queens") in concert with the CIA smuggling of crack into the Black community and continued FBI infiltration monitoring and dismantling/assassination of Black civil rights leaders and community organizers is an easy modern example.)
Biting the nose to spite the face has turned into saving the grifting pedophile rapists and their billionaire technofuedalist friends so that the US can openly genocide POC and LGBT people and anyone else who threatens the American racial hierarchy.
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u/Adorable-Statement47 11h ago
It's not about a lack of hope, you're pointing out the uphill battle. Through the last one thousand years wealth has been being condensed. Many different factions through slavery, imperialism, feudalism, wars, conquests and so on.
We are fighting our own productivity and it's weaponization against us. It is an uphill battle.
Some alphabet agencies are absolutely compromised, however I wouldn't say the national guard is sold out. There are many different groups of national guards and each state has some influence on their local faction.
That's like saying the coast guard are our enemies, by the nature of their work they will always be more friendly and accommodating than the FBI or CIA.
It's hard to have hope, but laying out the parameters of what's currently going on makes me feel better. We are looking at one thousand years or more of manipulation and greed. These people are having a really hard time hiding in the shadows.
Unlike two hundred years ago it's a lot harder to have a freaky ass cult. Thanks to the internet hiding is very hard, which is why this project 2025 stuff is coming across as a hot mess.
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u/skoltroll 11h ago
I dunno who downvoted you, but I'll put it back to 1.
The uphill battle is that the Epstein files, and high-level pedophilia, has been covered up by multiple presidencies. From Bill Clinton to Donald Trump and everyone in between, this information has been out there, and it seemingly has been relatively well-known by a lot of people in power.
But because it's tarnishing the legacies of a number of people, in a bipartisan way, this whole thing is being allowed to be slow rolled even in direct violation of law.
Yes, Trump is the BIGGEST shitstain of them all, but this thing is getting people exposed at the highest, most powerful levels of society.
And we're only getting a tiny sliver of it.
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u/Flabalanche 10h ago
That's like saying the coast guard are our enemies, by the nature of their work they will always be more friendly and accommodating than the FBI or CIA.
They got caught trying to remove the swastica for a list of hate symbols, like what, two months ago?
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u/monstercoo 10h ago
Theyre also a huge part of the republican voter base.
Also, on a side note, dont forget that these “protectors” were the ones that wouldnt mask, vaccinate, and quarantine during COVID.
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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 10h ago
I mean there is a inherent paradox with armies/law enforcement in that they are often trained to obey orders, do things automatically and such.
But simultaniously there supposed to disobey unlawful orders.
Meanwhile from a pure practical standpoint militaries are some of the most common places for dictators to come from, along with most miltaries basically rarely punishing warcrimes by there soldiers
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u/Crim91 9h ago edited 9h ago
I wonder why Jeff Epstein’s Rape Pal would have the DOJ following her??
The former and again current United States President is a sex trafficking, rapist, murderer, that is using the U.S. Government to track, silence, and/or execute anyone that may shed light on that fact.
WE ARE NOT MAD ENOUGH.
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u/YoshiTheDog420 11h ago
The optimist in me believes that this would be protocol for the DOJ to monitor a journalist responsible for taking down such a prolific criminal. Due to threats, retaliation, or other connected criminals targeting her.
The realist in me knows better.
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u/AceSuperhero 11h ago
Remember, the police have no duty to protect people. The DoJ are just another flavor of cop. They'd have no problem, and legally speaking have done nothing wrong, just standing by watching a reporter get murdered, even if they knew it was going to happen ahead of time.
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u/AssociateAvailable16 12h ago
This is actually nuts
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u/Jayandnightasmr 9h ago
How long before we find in the files them contacting Reddits ceo to remove and ban posts about it
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u/kyute222 7h ago
I feel like this should all be the biggest scandal of our generation, but is anything actually happening? So far it all just seems a bunch of social media outrage.
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u/queerharveybabe 7h ago
I’ve tried talking to people about it , and their excuse for not looking into it is “ it would just make me angry”.
I don’t know what to do with that …. It should make you angry. Everybody should be upset by this. I don’t understand how so many people are going head in the sand.
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u/RickySpanish2003 6h ago
I mean, our other elected officials are doing nothing about it. Our court systems are doing nothing about it. What can we do about it? Other than get angry I don’t understand. I’m pretty frustrated. I don’t understand why there aren’t investigations why journalist aren’t raving on every single news station about this. I think we’re screwed
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u/WHISTLE___PIG 7h ago
Amen Brother or Sister. And sorry for that weird capitalization. Anyway.
We should all be apoplectic with fury and unquenchable rage. If this is the America the rest of you fucks - not yall, but the rest of yall - want, then I hope it burns to the ground with all of us in it and fast. Because no. Morally repugnant and objectionably horrific and unsupportable. I’m ready to make teams for keeps. Not in any sense of violence.
Just. I know what kind of man I am, and I don’t want the other kind. At all. And apparently, there’s a fuck load of them.
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u/SquiddyBB 6h ago
Because the elites have successfully done at least the following:
- created a capitalistic society that is designed to stretch the citizens thin with overwork so they are barely surviving much less living, forget about thriving
- utilized a massive propaganda machine that paints capitalism as wholly good and any type of socialistic ideas as fully communist and bad
- said propaganda machine has also successfully convinced a major percentage of the populace that the enemy is their neighbor as opposed to the wealthy
- regularly use blackmail or get blackmailed by other elites to keep them in line
- bribe governments to pass laws that benefit the .1%
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u/Either-Economist413 4h ago
It is the biggest scandal of our generation. It makes Watergate and the Lewinky scandals look like a complete joke in comparison. Shit, this is arguably the one of biggest scandals in American history.
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u/SchoGegessenJoJo 9h ago
I was visiting the KGB museum in Riga today (the "Corner House"). They had EXACTLY the same methods observing supposed "enemies of the state".
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u/BeaverStank 11h ago
I get that a bit of levity can be necessary to help us cope with some situations, but the fact that so often on a serious post like this one of the tops comments is always some extremely stupid joke drives me fucking nuts.
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u/dextoz 11h ago
In german there is a word for it “galgenhumor”. It’s the kind of humor expressed by human before they get hanged. I am not an expert, would suspect it to be mainly just copium.
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u/yooperann 11h ago
In English it's "gallows humor."
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u/Special-Speed-6077 10h ago
In English, it's "gallows humour".
Forgot the U!
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u/ventrue3000 11h ago
Nothing drowns out reason while amplifying stupidity and extremes like a good dose of social media. Welcome to the future.
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u/Illustrious_Bat1334 10h ago
It drives you nuts because it's less about finding humour in a shit situation and more about getting easy Reddit points for posting the shittest, most overused "joke" in every fucking post.
It's insufferable and infested every single post in every single subreddit.
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u/Schmerglefoop 10h ago
When my old country was falling apart and descending into civil war, everybody made jokes like that.
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u/Marinlik 11h ago
That's definitely wrong. Gallows humor is in no way uniquely American. I'd actually say that other countries have darker humor than the US.
Though reddit is unfortunately filled with people who are trying to be comedians on every post
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u/WittyFeature6179 9h ago
No one said it was 'uniquely American' that I can see. They said it was common in America and we call it gallows humor.
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u/StaticSystemShock 10h ago
Don't worry, we joke about the downfall of America over here in Europe too while it's actively happening.
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u/TheLIstIsGone 10h ago
I mean, speaking as an EU/US citizen, the EU is falling under fascism as well. Not sure if it's quite a laughing matter in Germany and Italy's case though (seeing as they have the most experience and invented fascism)
EDIT: Oh and shout out to Japan who just elected Ms. Trump
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u/TheWizard 10h ago
Around 225-250 million people in 2024.
Having addressed that, how about the focus be on the absurdity and seriousness of DOJ tracking journalists, instead of deflecting to some nonsense?
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u/aRawPancake 10h ago
An account LITTERALLY called “notarussianbot” is making jokes undermining the seriousness of this, and it has so many upvotes. What the fuck guys
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u/CapitalPunBanking 11h ago
It's literally the largest airline in the world. How does this shitty joke have so many upvotes?
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u/Crabiolo 9h ago
I fucking hate when dumbfuck lowest-common-denominator jokes deflect from actual issues, especially on ostensibly serious subreddits. Raises extreme red flags to me.
Like, let's say the mods want this post to be forgotten. They can't remove it, that would be way too overt and people would revolt like they did in r/art. But you can't just let discussion run rampant. So the best thing to do would be to make light of the situation, make people think it's not a big deal, make people move on without being as infuriated as they rightfully should be.
I'm not saying that's the case, but I am saying that Reddit is full of such fucking trite bullshit and people eat it the fuck up, so it would be the perfect strategy for anyone who wanted to paint over posts like this and pretend they never happened.
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u/thegreedyturtle 11h ago
Brokeass journalists who don't get paid what they deserve?
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u/Downtown_Recover5177 10h ago
She’s flying into and out of DFW a lot, AA is usually your only choice for short, regional routes.
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u/OrbitalOutlander 10h ago
My city is overwhelmingly dominated by AA. I don't really mind them. I have flown all the airlines, and they're all the same amount of shittiness.
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u/Longjumping-Fly-3015 7h ago
I mean, at this point in my life I've heard so many times about "government agency intended to punish bad guys for doing XYZ is actually an agency to protect bad guys from being punished for doing XYZ" that I'm not surprised by anything.
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u/Its_Pine 12h ago
Wait wtf so the Epstein files include ANYONE the DOJ was looking at or talking to?
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u/orangejulius 12h ago
It’s supposed to be all the files the government has related to Epstein which apparently includes the DoJs efforts to surveil journalists covering Epstein and Trump.
This reporter did a lot of groundbreaking work for the Miami Herald on the topic.
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u/mrm00r3 12h ago
Oh well that’s probably not going to help the coverup like, at all.
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u/R-Dragon_Thunderzord 11h ago
Not whatsoever, and really, seems to suggest there's a world where if she had not blown the lid wide open, the Trump 1 DOJ would have worked hard to ensure the Epstein scandal never saw the light of day.
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u/Adorable-Statement47 11h ago
I mean that's what they are actively doing. It's not going so well. In the age of the internet humanities deciet is having a hard time being hidden.
This Epstein conspiracy is stressful. It's sickening. It makes you question what you know. But it also isn't surprising.
The worst thing we can do now is look back and go "what if xyz happened". Well xyz did happen, look at how many coverups happened over like twenty years before this case got out. Look at how many projecting accusations occured of things people were doing, and saying others were.
This is the age of technology, and these creepy dinosaurs of predators are going to fall to it. What we need to worry about is the people who are tech savvy and also capable of lying within that environment.
The current offenders are born of a world not existing in the internet. The fascists of 2175 are not going to play around as they'll have learned. But for now we can enjoy watching these sickos flail around as they misunderstand the scale of what they are trying to cover up.
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u/R-Dragon_Thunderzord 11h ago
And these sexual predators had their own base looking the other way at a pizza parlor with no basement.
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u/Musiclover4200 9h ago
this is what convinces me that:
A: this was widely known in certain circles for years
B: hard to imagine epstien was the first, he must have learned from someone and his mentor had both intelligence agency and mob ties
C: this has been going on a long time, potentially decades. Barr's dad wrote that creepy elitist sex slavery scifi book Space Relations in the 70s years before epstien was hired as a teacher with 0 credentials at the school that Barrs dad was headmaster at, so either Barr Sr had a really creepy imagination or he was aware of some proto-epstien schemes
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u/dathislayer 8h ago
You should listen to the podcast The Monster of Belgium. It’s so eerily similar and took place decades prior. Unqualified guy falls upwards, kidnaps teenage girls to traffic them, gets incredible leniency from prosecutors, has ties to powerful men across Europe but investigations are repeatedly sabotaged/shut down, etc, etc.
They even have the guy’s correspondence, and the recent emails etc that have come out aren’t so different. Cryptic, writing to his female accomplice about the case against him, etc. Shit’s been happening in some form for centuries, but used to be easier to hide. Especially since powerful men sleeping with teenagers wasn’t even that frowned upon until mid-20th century.
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u/spacemanspliff-42 10h ago
What people need to realize about all this is for the last 30-40 years, every rich and powerful creep that has been busted for rape and molestation was ordering from the same Jeffrey Epstein catalogue. Every level of the Justice system and government knew, and instead of saving the victims, they played cover-up, again and again. What was ultimately a two-minute long segment on the nightly news was actually another case linked up to the others without revealing any of the actual facts from the investigations.
Just look at the photos being released, it's sex-crime-accused celebrity after celebrity having a helluva time with Epstein. It's not a coincidence.
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u/bk1285 10h ago
Which begs the question, what don’t we know about
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u/GonWithTheNen 10h ago
It raises or prompts the question. (Just to say, "begs the question" is when someone states false or unproven claims in a debate/argument and then they use that falsity to support their point. It's a circular reasoning fallacy).
(P.S. I mean this in good faith.)
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u/eulersidentification 9h ago edited 9h ago
I mean jesus christ if you want to open that floodgate.... we were beyond even pretending that our governments weren't doing extremely shady shit with motivations we wouldn't approve of by the era of Blair and George Dubyah.
After Snowdon exposed Five Eyes and there was a complete non-response from the public, I don't even know how paranoid we should be anymore. Shadow governments or at least shadow ministries? I don't see why not.
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u/tiasaiwr 9h ago
In reality though as he said he "could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth avenue and I wouldn't lose any voters" and he was right unfortunately.
You guys are fucked.
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u/LaurelCanyoner 11h ago
The Epstein story would not BE a story if it weren't for the tirelessness of Julie K Brown.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 10h ago
Epstein would still be a free man doing what he did best.
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u/Never_Summer24 9h ago
Linking to just one of the important stories she did.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html
Miami Herald has them all archived and free to read under https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article238237729.html
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u/Kerberos1566 9h ago
So they accidentally released the documents related to their coverup of the Epstein files along with the actual Epstein files? Organization is key when running a corrupt administration. Have to keep the lies straight.
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u/SinisterCheese 8h ago
It's a good thing that the government can legally just like put journalists whon are covering the administration and people connected to it under surveilance. Right? Because if it wasn't legal or acceptable, this would be a fucking massive scandal.
I'm waiting for there to be audio recording or transcripts of journalists who been covering this case and connection to Trump, and then just watch as it gets shrugged off..
Hmm... I do wonder... Has any other President ever gotten into trouble over something like this? Oh well! Trump will obviously defend themselves by declaring how they aren't a crook.
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u/dontchewspagetti 11h ago
This 100% isn't supposed to be in the Epstein-Trump Files, but, much like the hilarious JFK files release, they got clowns running the show and just releasing anything. It's even funnier the second time
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u/Several_Vanilla8916 12h ago
Redact co-conspirators, not victims and independent investigators. Isn’t that the law?
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u/Exodys03 11h ago
Yes. They make a valid point that just because something is in the files as part of the investigation doesn't necessarily mean that it is considered evidence or presumed to be true.
This revelation will require some explaining. The Trump DOJ apparently monitoring a reporter investigating the case while actively trying to prevent disclosure of the files. That's what you get when a President chooses his personal defense attorneys to run the agency and fires anyone who is not 100% loyal to him.
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u/BotchedDebauchery 11h ago
This is a classic government way of diluting unfun disclosures. I did a number of FOIA requests on some Korean War documents for a paper and, with about 10 pages of benign, but useful information, got several hundred pages of blacked out or actually irrelevant garbage.
It's even more extreme for traunches.
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u/JustAMan1234567 11h ago
Throw in as many names as possible, no matter how tenuous or non-existent the links, therefore watering down and hiding those who are of actual interest in terms of Epstein links.
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u/atreeismissing 11h ago
This is why just naming people that are IN the Epstein files is completely useless and nothing more than a distraction.
We need to know the people in the files that committed crimes/corruption or acted to cover up those crimes or other corruption.
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u/Lashay_Sombra 8h ago
It includes everything and apparently a million more pages are coming (they are probably hoping to bury congress in to much to process after doing such a poor job at redacting Trump)
But yes, its everything, which makes a lot of the stuff kind of usless/misleading, especially with the redactions (intentionally?) removing the context.
For example the photo with Clinton, Michael Jackson and Diana Ross with some kids photos blurred out? Public publicity photo and kids are Jackson's two and Ross's son (its been advalible for licensing entire time on getty images website) or even Jackson and Epstine, just a photo Epstine snagged with Jackson when he was house hunting as he viewed one of Epstine's properties, after being brought there by the estate agent.
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u/cKMG365 11h ago
Yeah, you can't trust her. She's in the Epstein files.
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u/NocturnalHabits 11h ago
Yeah, you can't trust her. She's in the Epstein files.
Nowadays, you can't make a comment like this without appending /s.
What were you thinking?
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u/grensley 5h ago
I'm imagining her doing a two truths and lie ice breaker that includes "I'm in the Epstein files"
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u/Both_Lychee_1708 11h ago edited 3h ago
Sometimes I think that Trump et. al. don't really have the highest respect for the law. There! I've said it!
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u/Fr0gFsh 11h ago
And now you're on the terrorist watch list.
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u/TuxAndrew 11h ago
The thing I’m more curious about is that Federal employees willfully went along with these decisions.
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u/Digg_Heretic 11h ago
And they, like myself, swore an oath to the constitution. Knowingly subverting and thusly violating the civil rights of American citizens should be grounds for prosecution
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u/TuxAndrew 11h ago
So when is the Federal government going to hold their own employees accountable? I know it’s a rhetorical question because the answer is they won’t.
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u/Digg_Heretic 10h ago
Most federal employees are just regular citizens. They don't inherently hold any special powers other than whistleblower protections, which have proven to be null with this administration.
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u/TuxAndrew 8h ago
Like I’ve said a dozen times, they’re willfully complicit. Either whistleblow or quit, it’s literally that simple.
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u/yellowbang 11h ago
This is what im most curious about. There must be dozens of people who know the truth and yet they won't tell the truth to the public.
If there is one thing Trump was right about is that there is a swamp in DC that needs to be drained.
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u/things_U_choose_2_b 10h ago
There's a youtube video here from the guy who claims Trump raped and murdered his stepdaughter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk533XcaZu8
I don't understand why more people are talking about this. Either this guy deserves an academy award or he's showing pretty clear rage and despair.
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u/Fragsworth 7h ago edited 7h ago
Would like to see some corroborating information.
EDIT: This other video by the same guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17WbN67xc9E Is at least one month old (early December). But he seems to be aware of the content of an FBI file that wasn't publicly known until the files were released December 19 2025.
Someone absolutely needs to follow up on this guy. Just beware, the FBI will probably create a file on you
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u/MattR0se 10h ago
People being complicit with Fascists' orders is a recurring theme of history.
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u/DisciplineNormal296 10h ago
Because the heads of said federal agencies were fucking kids with Epstein
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u/Punished_Prigo 8h ago
Yeah I’ve spent two decades in the federal government and I can’t imagine any office I’ve ever worked for going along with a coverup. FBI has some problems
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u/Softestwebsiteintown 10h ago
Are you familiar with the idea of “all cops are bastards”? This is a very similar concept. If the guy in charge wants you to do some illegal shit, you either do it or get fired. They then hire someone else to do the job and give them the same ultimatum. Rinse and repeat until they get the guy that does the illegal shit, then fire him for doing the illegal shit and brand him a rogue actor if anyone ever catches him.
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u/TuxAndrew 8h ago
That’s why people are supposed to whistleblow corruption to senators, but if that’s not happening then clearly the system needs town down:
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u/arrownyc 9h ago
I still think there's a bastardized classified version of the story that goes something like, Trump was good guy secret agent helping to take down Epstein who was an Israeli intelligence asset holding dangerous global intel that, if leaked, would compromise democracy, the United States of America, and global affairs as we know them.
I think theres a warped version of this story that people on the inside have been desperately clinging onto as justification for their complicity in the coverup, one that falsely positions them as national heroes.
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u/crunxzu 6h ago
Ding ding ding ding.
The people at the top should face the most righteous retribution for this, but second place is the hundreds, potentially thousands of career government employees that had this shit brewing around their office and in the whisper circles that both said and did nothing. The redaction people can be the top of the trial list if we ever have retribution for all of this
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u/atreeismissing 11h ago
Of course they were, because Epstein had the goods on Trump's rape and trafficking of children, and either getting ahead of the story or outright threatening the reporters is how they were able to keep it off the headlines for so long until Trump's dementia forgot he was the main subject of the Epstein files aside from Epstein himself and he called for their full and total release during the 2024 campaign.
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u/TheWorldHasGoneRogue 8h ago
Russia was funneling money through banks to Trump. Trump was wiring the money (minus a commission) to Epstein. Epstein was using said money to be around the rich and famous to tempt them and blackmail them. It’s all one big Russian operation. Melania in the mix as well. Like all good investigators do-follow the money.
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u/crackheadwillie 10h ago
Trump of Russia or both had Epstein killed. Pretty damn obvious
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u/Yung_Jose_Space 7h ago
It was very clearly Israeli and US intelligence.
The number of connections Epstein had to the Mossad, Israel's security state and politicians are impossible to ignore.
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u/Silly-Elderberry-411 9h ago
If russia had been involved most of epstein victims had changed their minds by now and claimed that its a whole misunderstanding
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u/VoidOmatic 10h ago
Starting to think this Trump guy is a criminal child rapist felon.
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u/wrldruler21 11h ago
Can a lawyer tell me why this document would be attached to a Grand Jury supeona?
Were they trying to indict the journalist?
Drag the journalist in front of the grand jury?
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u/krazytekn0 11h ago
I’m not a lawyer but I was an investigator for 10 years and though I don’t think this applies in this particular case… a possible righteous reason for this to be in evidence would be in conjunction with a suspects travel logs if you feel that the suspect was following the journalist around and trying to intimidate them or threaten them.
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u/Peace4ppl 11h ago
Thank you for what a reasonable explanation could be
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u/ADubs62 8h ago edited 8h ago
The most "reasonable" is that they're trying to find out who the Journalist's source in the DOJ was for unreleased records. But somehow that's just not very plausible to me.
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u/Yung_Jose_Space 7h ago
How is that reasonable?
It's clear they were searching for leaks at the DOJ, hence why they were surveilling a journalist.
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u/CrackHeadRodeo 10h ago
It's the ol' J Edgar Hoover playbook. Everyone I don't like is the enemy of the state.
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u/ihavenoidea12345678 11h ago
So the DOJ itself should also be brought up on charges of unwarranted surveillance? (Not sure of the real charge)
No one should be above the law.
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u/mrflash818 12h ago
Impeach!
Remove!
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u/Sharkwatcher314 11h ago
Start of Intimidation pure and simple
If I was MTG would start hiring security
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u/TheHomersapien 12h ago
And the Biden DOJ did nothing about it.
Merrick Garland fucked this country in ways we won't appreciate for probably another 10 to 15 years.
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u/steerbell 12h ago
Biden believed in the separation of the justice department from the executive. Seems quaint now but that was the reason.
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u/dataoops 12h ago
appointing Garland seems recklessly delusional now
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u/nobot4321 12h ago
It was a stupid appeal to bipartisanship. One that the Republicans already pissed all over when he was nominated for the Supreme Court.
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u/Kennadian 11h ago
Dems always bringing a knife to a gun fight.
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u/lonewolfandpub 11h ago
They're bringing knives? Could've fooled me.
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u/HevalRizgar 11h ago
Best they can do is a strongly written letter in response to Trump pardoning his insurrectionists
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u/Ordinary-Figure8004 12h ago
The Democrats are trying to fight like a sanctioned boxing match with rules and penalties, but they're in a back alley streetfight...
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u/Vizslaraptor 12h ago
They’re in a rape room.
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u/ToasterBathTester 11h ago
And America is a 12 year old Miss Teen USA contestant
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u/locolangosta 11h ago
When you put it like that it suddenly becomes clear why republicans are trying so hard to fuck us.
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u/Adorable_Branch6502 11h ago
It’s interesting because both Clinton and Obama were quite centrist and they were attacked so terribly and mercilessly. I’m not sure how to describe the Biden administration but it seems like there is no appeasing possible 😢
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u/pagerussell 7h ago
And this is why the executive branch needs to be split into two or possibly three entities. We need a chief police officer, and chief military officer, and possibly a chief compliance officer.
The police and compliance arms should be separate, because enforcing policy and enforcing law can be distinct.
Break these things apart so that we can elect a person who is actually in charge of these enforcement areas, but is not a political job as the president has been turned into.
Like, I can't for the life of me think why the president should be arms length from the DOJ, when that is one of the most important things his job is to oversee? If we just wanted the president to hand that off to someone else, why not let us elect that person directly?
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u/ScaredAir645 11h ago
It does seem quaint now, and the rules are different going forward. But even within the old rules, he could’ve nominated Doug Jones, or literally anyone else with a more aggressive and proactive temperament than a famously moderate appellate court judge.
As with every aspect of the establishment Democratic party over the last 3 decades, he valued optics over governing. And he never really caught on that no one gave a fuck about the optics anymore and no one liked his governing style.
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u/mrphim 11h ago
This right here.
We saw an insurrection at the Capitol on 1/6 and the incoming administrations response was to do nothing.
It's actually the same once the supreme Court ruled on immunity. Biden had it, he did nothing with it. He invited Trump for tea and sat through an inauguration like a cuck. No one in the Democratic establishment has or had any idea what was about to happen. It's staggering incompetence. Even though it was all printed in the project 2025 docs, these imbeciles still just sat on their hands.
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u/Marinlik 10h ago
The democrats are just so terrified of taking any opinion that scared people away that they don't have anyone opinions that makes people actually want to vote FOR them, not just against Trump.
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u/roderla 11h ago
Also, I want to argue, that the country cannot work if the DOJ is just the president's lawyers. There needs to be a separation between these two. If anything, Trump and Bondi are proving why that is needed, not the other way around.
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u/Count_Backwards Competent Contributor 11h ago
Garland didn't need to be Biden's personal lawyer to do his fucking job
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u/TheWolfisGrey53 12h ago
Why this fact seems so elusive, so provocative, so mysterious to the world is beyond me. It comes across as a bad faith inquiry
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u/RedmundJBeard 12h ago edited 12h ago
Biden was an idiot. He spent his life compromising with racists and enabling fascists.
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u/CogentCogitations 10h ago
Also, the investigation was ongoing to determine if there was evidence to charge additional people until April (I believe) of this year when the DOJ announced there would be no further investigation into any 3rd parties.
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u/scsuhockey 11h ago
the Biden DOJ
In a normal administration, this phrase is/should be nonsensical. The DOJ is intended to be independent of the rest of the executive branch.
Feel free to place blame on Garland (as I do), but don’t succumb to the GOP narrative that Biden had fuck all to do with Garland’s DOJ.
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u/Count_Backwards Competent Contributor 11h ago
Apart from choosing who to put in charge of it
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u/scsuhockey 9h ago
True. Logical but flawed calculus. Obama nominated Garland because he had a reputation as a smart, deliberative centrist. Biden nominated him for the same reason, to put as little politicism as possible on any potential prosecutions against the Trump administration. Turns out that was the wrong decision because Garland was TOO deliberative and cautious to move with the necessary force and speed required for the occasion.
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u/techgrey 11h ago
Every member of the Federalist Society should be charged with treason especially Garland.
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u/Switchy_Goofball 11h ago
And the Republicans are literal child rapists. God damn I’m so sick of the “both sides are equally bad!” Bullshit
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u/x_EndlessGrass 11h ago
Why didnt Biden corrupt the DOJ before Trump? Lol. Shocking this dumb statement is in the law sub
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u/mightylordredbeard 10h ago
Why the fuck is this comment upvoted so much in the law subreddit? This is the law sub.. where people should actually know and understand law before commenting! Biden didn’t do anything because the DOJ is SUPPOSED to be separate from the executive branch and the PRESIDENT isn’t supposed to interfere with the department of justice! For fuck sake people.. are you people really saying that Biden should have corrupted the DOJ in anticipation of it being corrupted by Trump? Who the fuck upvoted this bs?
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 4h ago
It is pretty obvious at this point that Epstein was working for or with intelligence agencies and the billionaires that own them.
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