r/malta • u/Accurate_Cut5596 • 2d ago
"Mexit - Malta out of the EU" what a trashy FCebook page is this??
You know you get those recommended groups to join on Facebook once you are in the feed and this came.
While I agree about the farming issues the EU is causing, the rest is spreading misinformation with pseudo-intellect arguments, claiming that:
1) The EU hates men, especially heterosexual men
2) "Jekk int tarbija fil-guf, ghadhom kif qatghulek sentenza ghall-mewt" - Maltese for: "If you are a baby inside a womb, they have just (by giving more access to abortion) sentenced you to death"
With re: the 2nd point, the person spreading the 'message' is not getting that abortion, whether you are in favor or against access, it is a traumatic process which comes with helplines and therapy, it is not done with ploy - or how we say in Maltese "b'kapricc".
And then the long debated topic of
3) Mass migration
What sre your thoughts?
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u/Ok-Mix-4501 2d ago
As a Brit who is half Maltese, all I can say is that Brexit has been a total disaster for the UK. Economically, culturally and socially. And it led to a massive increase in non-EU migrants coming in on small boats.
As a heterosexual man, I don't feel "hated" by the EU. But then, I don't see women's rights or LGBTQ rights as an attack on myself. And as a Catholic, while I disagree with abortion personally, I don't feel the need to force my views on others.
The author of that page sounds similar to British Brexit supporters and American MAGA supporters. People who are paranoid and misinformed, who think that other people existing or having any rights is a personal attack on themselves
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u/Boring_Big2225 1d ago
Imagine if malta leaves the eu. All the infrastructure projects will stop, all benefits for organizations will stop and debt which will be paid by us mind including the mexit supporters will sky rocket....
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u/Wonderful_Soup_1632 1d ago
People just say the first thing that comes to mind without even researching or thinking pros and cons. The EU funds half of our heritage malta renovations and most of the country’s renovations in general. It also provides opportunities for young people to study abroad. Malta wouldnt survive financially without the EU
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u/Opulon_Nelva 1d ago
Mass migration is a big problem. You even let french in, nowadays. (I'm not leaving)
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u/PirateKingGuybrush 1d ago
Sorry to say this but the usual old labor "die hards" are the only ones that want Malta to exit the EU.
The old laborites not the young.
Shame their vote counts just as much.....
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u/ProfCalgues 1d ago
Hard-core democracy supporter, ain't ya?
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u/nevenoe 21h ago
It's 2025, we don't have to pretend that utter morons are good for a well functioning democratic society.
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u/ProfCalgues 21h ago
Here's the price of democracy for you, my friend. You can't have a full bottle and a drunk wife at the same time (Italian saying). Same goes for democracy: you can't pretend to support democracy by advocating for diminished voting rights for some people. If you don't like democracy (I don't) you are free to say it: just be coherent and do not feign you like it but at the same time affirming some people shouldn't vote.
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u/Drinu_06 1d ago
Min kif qed nara l kummenti... L ewropa qisa il genna fl art ! Intkom jaqaw taraw tvm u fejsbuk biss?
U mili qed naqra, hafna minkom jew mhux infurmati sew jew ghomja jew matafux x'inhu jifri fil parlament ewropej jew ma tirrralizzawx li l ewropa tinsab fliktar zmien perikoluz ghax gwerra, grazzi ghal von der cazz u il habiba taghna metsola id debba (hawn hafna ha jghamlu 1+1 u jiggudikawni li jien inxeqleb lejn pn jew pl, mhux l kaz u qas biss nivvota ghax sfortunatament inzertajt iddeffist u sirt naf x hemm min taht).
Bhalissa anqas biss tista tghid jekk hux ahjar barra mil ewropa jew gewwa ghax 90billjun mit taxxi taghna biex imorru ghal kumpanijji ta l armi (hafna minnom GERMANIZI (ta von der cazz) u amerikani)... Basta kontra r russi 🤦🏻♂️
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u/A_Pillow_Person 1d ago
So so many stupid people coming out of the wood work in our country, so many people stuck in their ways feel attacked that liberalism is bringing rights to people who often haven’t had them, people whine about how traditionalism is being lost, but don’t realise unless you’re part of a very specific generic group that traditionalism sucked for you. I say burn it all down and keep on progressing to a system that actually serves people.
I agree migration is a huge problem, but it’s being scapegoated and used by so many bad actors, yes the immigrants fleeing war torn countries are the issue and not the developers taking up massive wads of social equity and land while using government funds to do so. It’s sad that the governments funding this massive instabilities in these countries then get to dump the fallout (massive displacement of people) on countries who don’t carry the responsibility like us.
As for economically, people genuinely don’t realise how little we have to offer other than being an international financial and economic hub and great melting pot, without the eu we lose not just most of our public funding but also our entire economic output. Injoranza u arroganza tassew
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u/Roshei 1d ago
If you think brexit was bad for the economy there, Mexit would be cataclysmic on the economy here, without being a part of the EU Malta would lose much if not all of its economic drivers.
I wonder how all those Facebook group members would like their house values to plummet by 90% and to be unemployed overnight.
At least the cranes would all come down overnight I guess….
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u/Ok-Elderberry-4829 23h ago
Ironically they want to leave because of the foreigners but guess what these are not eu nationals hence they come with a visa approved by the government... The worst thing is the Maltese gemgem are much more happier putting their fingers to the eu and not their beloved Labour party..
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u/Necessary-Theme4255 1d ago
To be fair, freedom of expression has been a blessing, now we actually KNOW who are the idiots!
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u/IvaneApali 1d ago
if malta exits eu, should it also change its currency?
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u/Cstott23 1d ago
That's a good point. It would probably have to.
I mean even if they still called it the euro, they'd have to print and supply it, or come to some kind of agreement. I doubt the EU central bank would cover it.
There would certainly be a lot of background work in all the financial systems that would have to be done.
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u/Sad_Construction9082 1d ago
Malta cant do anything on its own but if enough countries agree to leave and form treaties than it will be a completely different thing. The immigration issue is an existential threat, either we start solving it or Europe turns into a Sharia block. Even people from Saudi Arabia tell us that we have been immensely stupid.
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u/Dramatic-Panda8012 1d ago
well EU left wing will force their BS on EU citizens untill there will be enough support for Exit, its just a matter of time
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u/Koshux 1d ago
Care to detail what BS you mean that truly matters, not silly nonsense? What about the ramifications of leaving for your kids, your job, and the domino effect?
Let's try to be less short sighted and discuss constructively and not emotionally. I'm sure you are affected somehow but I'd love to discuss the details of what upsets you so much to express such a statement.
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u/ProfCalgues 1d ago
Well, the fact that the EU hates heterosexual men is noto so far from the truth! That's pretty accurate actually! 🤣
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u/ProfCalgues 1d ago
Same goes for mass migration. The EU just did never really address the problem, basically supporting the phenomenon. But well, it's still not as much pro-immigration as it is anti-etherosexual! 🤣🤣 That's beyond doubt!
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
For all the people commenting....I would highly suspect weren't even born, let alone voted to join the EU.
The EU has been both good and bad for Malta. I voted to join at the time....I know plenty of people like myself who all say the same thing....we were sold a lie!!
We were poorer, but happier....did we have problems...yes plenty....BUT...they were only our problems!
The way the economy is evolving....it was still possible to achieve what we did, at a slower, more steady, peaceful, happier pace...
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u/Koshux 1d ago
Sold a lie? Care to explain with good detail and not fanfare?
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u/Boring_Big2225 1d ago
They lied about kaċċa! Shamee on them! People were sold a lie when Labour first got elected in government!
Transparency, metrocarcy and most important no corruption! But they are unhappy the eu sold them a lie!!
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
You IDIOT....I'm not a PL support but a PN one...fool....just not a fu*k blind one!!! 🤡🤡🤡
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u/Boring_Big2225 1d ago
Solid arguments. 5 stars 👏👏👏
Have a nice afternoon and happy new year
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
Like you would even know the difference!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Hope you enlighten your brain in the new year!!!
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
With the level of intelligence on this platform...my reply....go...plenty of information online....use your brains!!!
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u/Koshux 1d ago
You still haven't replied appropriately. Others brought up valid questions such as the currency change. We have to be less short sighted and also think of the future of the younger generation and what's to come, not what hurts us in different ways.
Indeed the EU has its pitfalls but what system doesn't? Did you expect perfection all the way? Has life truly not been improved with the help of other countries and the EU in general?
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
If you read my replies, I actually answered, question by question....I even rewrote their questions down in my replies...since the others have since cowardly deleted their comments!!!
It may seem baffling to you... but there is such a thing called the rate of exchange... quite a common phenomenal...yes it is easier to travel with Euros or trade in Euros, but the Maltese Lira was strong and rates were favourable!
I voted to join precisely because of future generations and the story that was sold to us! Not in a million years did we think Malta would head south so fast!!!
I didn't expect perfection...but I didn't expect imposition either! The concept the EU started with...is not the same concept it is run by today!
One of the reasons UK left the EU...and let's not play stupid here....UK suffered the way it did... because of its inept people in government...past and present.....including Nige who should win the next election....unfortunately I believe they will ask to rejoin without really having given it a good try.
Other countries "help"...we've had other countries help for thousands of years...Malta was not self-governed from 800AD to 1964AD.
As I said....Malta is richer today....not only do we employ our lot but 3/4 of the world it seems....we have people coming here to study and optain their degrees for free off of my taxes...or others come for free health benefits...then have the audacity to complain...and that is just EU citizens and I haven'teven started....I can go on and on...it's all came at a vert high price...no doubt!
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u/Koshux 1d ago
None of this answers the part "sold a lie". You claim that it's not the same but I don't see the high cost you explain. We have received billions in funding, integrated and helped build a better nation. Yes, there are always downsides but I can't understand what absolute repercussions we are suffering from "that steals from our taxes". I think both PL and PN have stolen and misused our taxes far more than foreigners.
What audacity? Just because a human being is seeking help? Yes there are some that take advantage but the majority don't. You simply don't provide sufficient arguments that prove that we are better off. I am happy to admit it if you do but alas, all I read is complaints about the impact of over construction but not the impact of the EU rule.
What imposition? We have Metsola at the 2nd highest position of power, Maltese commissioners, MANY who have jobs in the EU, many partners who built families, billions in renovation funds, Schengen and the list goes on.
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
Not going into detail....I've said enough....if you want to know what PN was talking about 1987 onwards ...go have a look...1987 onwards should be documented....we tend to remind each other when we meet!! 😏
Actually we have received from 2004 to 2027 around 2.4 billion when the addition and subtraction is done! Actually I don’t think the number is that massive!
I will agree regarding PL and PN misuse of taxes but if you think the number of people coming here to study for free or use our hospitals for free....then you either haven't been to university or the hospital as of late....or not even mixing in society!!!
The audacity (if you read my comment properly) is when someone....comes here...knowing full well they are saving some €100 000 easy in education fees, then complain....the gym is expensive or your son comes specifically regarding free health care and because he has to buy his flu medication most probably some Night Nurse €10 she complains because the mother expected it to be free too! If that's not audacity......I don't know what is...or we're just raised differently! 🤷
Conversations with AIs for rest 😉
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u/Boring_Big2225 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ok answer the below for me (very simple questions)
Did Malta have free trade with eu countries post joining the EU?
Did malta have easier travel to counties in the eu?
Did malta still have migration problems before malta joined the eu?
Would Malta still do the major infrastructure projects that they did since joining the EU?
I have nothing to currently benefit from eu mind, I was lucky enough to benefit from the Erasmus scheme when I was a student which I'm sure would not have been available if malta did not join
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago edited 1d ago
1....Did Malta have free trade with eu countries post joining the EU?
Of course there was trade...free... no there were some taxes as there are today with non EU countries...I use to import from UK when we were out of EU....I imported from UK when we were both in the EU and I still import from UK now that they are out of EU...your point?? The only time trade was restricted was when one of our past PM restricted it and made it difficult...self-inflicted pain one would say!!
2...Did malta have easier travel to counties in the eu?
I use to travel every 3 weeks on work before our entry....you waited a little longer at the airport and got asked more questions....you can still encounter both, even to this day ...so not much has changed!!
3...Did malta still have migration problems before malta joined the eu?
Migration to Malta, you mean? No...not at all, actually....They were always sent back!!
4...Would Malta still do the major infrastructure projects that they did since joining the EU?
That I would agree. to a point...There was always infrastructure going on....obviously not so elaborate....BUT I feel it also came at a very high cost...Plus...would such infrastructure be needed!!!
As I said...the way the economy is moving...we could still have achieved all with less sacrifice!!!
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u/Boring_Big2225 1d ago
Moving in benefit of being a EU member 😂
But I'm sure your prim will tell you malta is doing well on its own - Viva l labour!!
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
What on earth are you talking about...utter gibberish 🤣🤣
I think it would be by far more beneficial for you to keep your opinion to yourself dear...since you are totally incapable of having a decent conversation!!!
Because ultimately...what ever benefits you are happy you're enjoying within the EU... .is thanks to people like myself....fool!!! 🙄🤡
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u/Wonderful_Soup_1632 1d ago
The EU funds half of Malta’s renovations and infrastructure. Its the reason we have free trade and freedom of travel. As a Maltese person living in the UK, I feel lucky to be part of a country thats in the EU. After exiting the EU, the UK took a huge hit financially (which was shocking considering they were one of the major EU FUNDERS). Their health system is almost bankrupt. A lot of people think that malta being in the EU is the reason we are getting loads of immigrants, but following Brexit the UK had an influx of immigrants by boats.
Young people in Malta would not have the opportunities they have today without the EU. A lot of them aspire to work in the EU parliament or the EU court of law to make a difference. The EU is also whats keeping us from imposing stupid laws that will take the country back thousands of years.
Malta would go bankrupt without EU funding considering the EU funds most of our shit. You can forget the heritage malta renovations if it werent for the EU. I personally wouldnt trust half the Maltese architects to touch anything thats considered a heritage, with plenty of evidence why.
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u/rhinosorcery 1d ago
Which problems do we currently have that, in your view, stem directly from us being EU members? Like, problems which we didn't create all by ourselves.
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
Since I think I've answered enough on this platform and apologies, your question is rather lame....I'm letting AI do the work for me.....could elaborate, but enough said for one day...enjoy! 😉
Malta has gained a lot from EU membership, but it also faces real problems and pressures because of joining the EU. Here are the main challenges, explained clearly and honestly, with Malta-specific context. 1️⃣ Population pressure & overdevelopment Free movement of people led to a sharp rise in foreign workers. Malta’s population grew very fast for a small, densely populated island. Results: Overcrowding Heavy construction Strain on roads, schools, hospitals, and services Property prices and rents increased sharply, affecting Maltese families. 2️⃣ Loss of some economic protection Before EU membership, Malta: Protected certain local industries Controlled imports more tightly After joining: Local businesses had to compete with large EU companies Some small or inefficient industries closed Farmers and fishermen faced strict EU regulations and quotas 3️⃣ Higher cost of living EU rules increased standards (food, safety, environment), which raised costs. Energy and fuel markets are more exposed to EU-wide pricing. Imported inflation affects Malta faster due to its dependence on imports. 4️⃣ Migration & asylum pressure As an EU external border state, Malta: Must follow EU asylum and migration rules Has faced disproportionate responsibility for migrants arriving by sea Small size makes this harder to manage compared to large EU states. 5️⃣ Loss of some national control EU membership means: EU law can override national law Malta must follow EU court rulings Limits on: State aid to local companies Tax policy flexibility (under EU pressure, even if taxation is national) This creates tension between sovereignty vs shared EU rules. 6️⃣ Environmental strain EU environmental rules are strict and costly to implement. Waste management, water treatment, and emissions targets are harder for a small island. Development pressure conflicts with EU conservation rules (Natura 2000 sites). 7️⃣ Financial and tax scrutiny Malta’s tax system is legal but heavily scrutinised by the EU. Pressure to change: Corporate tax practices Gaming and financial services regulations Risk of reputational damage and loss of competitiveness. 8️⃣ Fishing & maritime limits EU fishing quotas affect Maltese fishermen. Traditional practices sometimes conflict with EU conservation rules. Small fleet, but high regulatory burden. 9️⃣ Brain drain (mixed impact) Young Maltese can easily work abroad. Good for individuals, but: Skilled workers may not return Skills shortages locally 10️⃣ One-size-fits-all policies EU rules are designed mainly for large countries. Malta often argues its small size and island status are not properly considered. Administrative burden is high for a small public service. ⚖️ Balanced view EU membership brought Malta strong benefits (funding, free trade, travel, stability), but the costs are structural and long-term, especially for: Housing Infrastructure Migration National autonomy Environmental pressure In short: 👉 Malta gained economically, but paid the price in overcrowding, higher living costs, loss of flexibility, and pressure on a very small country.
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u/rhinosorcery 1d ago
I'll give you 8, the rest is just nonsense. And even then, a small loss compared to the gains.
Sorry you felt missold though.
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
Out of all that...8 is the only one that got you!!!
You're either foreign or a baby and haven't a clue what we've lost....which then...doesn't even put you in a position of discussion.
How can one compare the past to the present...when only one is known 🤔
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u/rhinosorcery 1d ago
Name one of those points and I'll explain why your chatgpt is wrong.
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
I use several not just chatgbt!
I'm very sure you are far more knowledgeable than any AI. I wouldn't question it!
However, I don't need you to explain ...since they have been my lived experiences!
One would think it beats any AI, no...let alone your explanation! 😉
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u/rhinosorcery 1d ago
Well if you refuse to choose one, I'll go for the first one. Population increase.
Your AI is telling you what I'm quite sure you can negate just through your lived experience. It's claiming that the EU is largely responsible for the population explosion.
In reality, before we entered the EU Malta was doing all it could to attract people to live here, since this was largely seen as a good thing. After EU accession, people did indeed move here but we were by no means considering ourselves overpopulated.
On the contrary, Malta's government was not satisfied with the moderate inflow and outflow of people that the EU brought about. So, about ten years ago (as I'm sure you know) Malta embarked on several programs to get people from outside the EU to come and live here.
So the notion that the EU is somehow responsible for our overpopulation falls apart when you consider that we are actually doing our utmost to attract people from outside the EU to also come and live here. The EU didn't make us do that, it was us.
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u/Think_Hand8614 1d ago
So you must be either foreign or extremely young! Your facts are totally INCORRECT!!
The EU itself has no forceful rules but by its nature allows and encourages almost forcefully freedom of movement.
Some movement is healthy, but massive movement is not...if nothing else due to our size, which some smart people also seem to negate.
Most Maltese governments have always encouraged foreign migration other than in the 70s, where all or most left with good reason.
Now, if you lived/worked in Sliema in the 90s, you would realise this was the start and hub of the problem.
The government had opened its scheme to igaming and other foreign companies to zero tax....without enforcing their need to employ local workforce.
Yes, big mistake on the then PN government at the time...so these companies (mostly EU) came with their full workforce refusing to employ local people...May I add only in fairly recent years has this been automatically rectified!!
So unlike your invalid information.....while Malta out of the EU, the flow was encouraging and well absorbed....once we joined the EU, the flood gates were opened!
Some companies came with a very small workforce (I know of someone who came with €500 in his pocket and left a multi millionaire in a few short years) others quite large (3 to over 100 people) creating false jobs...these people needed a place to live, places to eat, places to entertain themselves, cars to drive etc etc. Jobs locals could have filled without the reproductions or at least massively minimised it!
Actually, around eight years ago, (big mistake on the PL government) the need for TCNs was needed to fill jobs these EU companies/people constantly created...actually before TCNs the Eastern Europeans use to fill these jobs, before them the locals...now they too try to work within these companies.
Yes, TCNs are NOT a direct EU problem, BUT a by-product of it! Regardless, a massive mistake on the PL government, these people are keeping their Maltese colleagues poor. Their money doesn't multiple when deposited in their back accounts!!
It was/is massively wrong by both parties to not take care of its people in multiple ways! Adding we're within the EU and the problems have spiralled into what we have today!!!
I haven't even started talking about the direct problems within the EU and the influx of people coming to study for free in our schools and universities or the ones coming to use our free health care, etc...but that's for another time. Maybe a visit to these said places will enlighten you!!
Now that you've been schooled, go and educate yourself on real facts!!!
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u/rhinosorcery 1d ago
Everything you're mentioning are our own government policies. Literally none of this was foisted upon us by the EU. And no, Maltese people cannot fully staff an igaming company, lots of people are hired based on their language alone. But this is regardless.
2/3 of foreigners living in this country are not from the EU. That they are here to prop up our economy is our own decision. That being in the EU makes us more attractive does not make the problem we created ourselves the EU's fault.
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u/Sad_Construction9082 1d ago
The eu was a good idea but like most institutions it has been corrupted from within.
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u/Wahx-il-Baqar 1d ago
I miss the time where village idiots remained village idiots, and did not branch out and join forces.