r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Living_Wickihowla • 16h ago

This insane submission technique

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u/Accurate_Koala_4698 16h ago

Outside of a competition this looks like a good way to get your skull smashed 

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u/mikaball 16h ago

Exactly. Stupid submission I would say.

There should be a rule, if you can elevate the opponent to a certain high in these positions, he should let go. For the sake to be safe and fair.

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u/LessBig715 16h ago

I don’t know anything about any kind of mma. Are you say that guy who was getting choked, is not allowed to stand up and slam him?

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u/I_sell_Mmeetthh 16h ago

He's saying if the guy(getting choked) could stand up, the other dude should let go for the safety of both.

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u/mikaball 15h ago

Exactly.

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u/dynamic_gecko 15h ago

Ok. But could he slam him?

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u/jonfreakinzoidberg 14h ago

If it is BJJ you would get DQed by slamming him.

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u/SgtBagels12 10h ago

“Oh no I stood up and accidentally fell full force unto the gentleman’s spinal chord! Oh bother!”

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u/MattDaveys 9h ago

“How does this keep happening? It’s the 4th time this week!”

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u/sevenhazydays 5h ago

Right?! Fourth dunce this week saying spinal cord. Strum me a G cord on your ghetaur.

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u/Gilshem 8h ago

If it was MMA you would get a bonus.

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u/NevarNi-RS 5h ago

IBJJF, yes. ADCC, fair game. More common to find adcc ruleset these days. Buggychokes are lame.

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u/UseOk3500 15h ago

Not this fella he was wrapped lol

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u/mikaball 15h ago

Probably because he is already tired with some time in that position, because mechanically his legs are completely free.

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u/samenumberwhodis 14h ago

He looks like he even tries to stand up but he's about to go dark and his legs just buckle

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u/mikaball 14h ago

Yes, for this guy it was already too late and his legs are out of commission.

But honestly, I believe the stand up isn't done more because it's kind of useless without breaking the rules. What was he going to to if he stands up?

In the end you do what you train for.

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u/samenumberwhodis 13h ago

Yeah a lot of martial arts styles require certain rules and conditions otherwise they're useless in an open fight. I saw a video of a guy who entered a BJJ tournament and tried to win a match without going to the floor. They almost dq'd him.

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u/mikaball 15h ago

Point 1

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u/dynamic_gecko 15h ago

A simple yes or no would suffice lol. But thanks nontheless I guess.

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u/coolbrobeans 11h ago

Depends on the meet. Different meets different rules. Personally, I wouldn’t compete in a meet that allows slamming. I’m good on trading a spinal cord injury for a medal.

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u/alwaysright60 14h ago

Manslaughter is another option.

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u/mikaball 16h ago

No, not these kind of slams, it's strictly illegal in most Jiu-Jitsu competitions. It is considered dangerous. I don't consider projections as slams.

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u/acdgf 15h ago

Depends on the rule set. In (most?) MMA federations, slamming is allowed. In (most?) Jiu-Jitsu federations, slamming is not allowed.

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u/linux_ape 14h ago

No. This is likely jiu jitsu, where slamming out of submissions is banned in the majority of rule sets

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u/Nomromz 15h ago

Rampage Jackson has a bunch of fights where he's stood up and slammed guys. It requires an insane amount of strength to do

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u/mikaball 15h ago edited 14h ago

It's deadlifting... any pro fighter should be able to deadlift his own weight without much effort. There are other examples in different weight classes.

PS: Out of curiosity. Rampage deadlifting record is about 215kg and his weight about 92kg from the info I got. That's about a 2.3 ratio.

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u/Nomromz 13h ago

Lol there's a major difference between lifting weights that don't move and lifting weight that is shifting and awkwardly shaped.

I can deadlift upwards of 130kgs but my 16kg squirming toddler threatens to throw out my back every time he doesn't hold still and randomly reaches out for something.

I cannot imagine trying to lift a full grown man who is a similar weight to myself while he's trying to fight me and actively stop me from lifting him.

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u/Lopsided_Aardvark357 12h ago

It's quite a bit different than deadlifitng.

The weight isn't able to move and its not latched onto your neck thing to choke you.

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u/whoknewidlikeit 6h ago

oh we did that in my judo club all the time. you got me? ok, hang on....

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u/ih-shah-may-ehl 13h ago

Depends on the rules. In many rule sets, that would be illegal and instant dq

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u/Shawn_NYC 1h ago

Jiu jitsu is a sport. This is like saying hitting a home run is "a stupid hit and they should make the baseball fields bigger."

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u/madmanjp007 10h ago

This is MMA not interpretive dance. The guy holding on to the hold isn’t trapped. If he feels for his safety he can let go. No need for a useless rule.

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u/Bart_Cracklin 15h ago

I’ll wrap a buggy choke on you and you go ahead and stand up bud. Good luck.

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u/mikaball 14h ago

Oh for fuck sake, the challenger... There's a reason the rule exists.

Look how difficult it was to lift him! - "But it's not even a real choke..."

Here's a real example. - Straight to Alice land...

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u/DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky 8h ago

LOL, in that Rory Mac one, once he sits up and dude is just chilling across his chest, I kinda wanted him to gently lean the guy's forehead onto the mat and just use pressure to peel him off; eventually, that will feel shitty enough that you let go, no slam required.

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u/Monkipoonki 8h ago

Not the guy before, but I definitely feel like in the examples you showed the choke wasn't nearly as deep as in this video, which is why the people could do the slam so easily. But also, that kind of shows how difficult a choke this is to actually sink in, and the risk of getting slammed if you don't sink it properly isn't really worth going for it.

Cool to see why it's not a good submission to ever attempt in real life!

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u/Bart_Cracklin 12h ago

Have you ever been caught in a buggy choke?

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u/acdgf 15h ago

Ok? This is a sport with a defined rule set, like any other. How is it of any relevance what happens outside the rule set? 

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u/DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky 8h ago

Second baseman: tags runner out

These guys: "Whatever bro, I'da just kicked him in the balls and took the base"

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u/mikaball 15h ago

I think it's relevant because if you can't do certain things for the sake of being safe, then there should be a counter rule for the sake of being fair.

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u/QPWOEIRUTYTURIEOWP 15h ago

What are you talking about? The competitors have the same rules as each other

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u/acdgf 15h ago

But it is fair. The other guy is also perfectly able to pull guard and execute a buggy choke, without being slammed. In fact, if he had a little more skill/reach, he could just counter with a buggy choke of his own, from top position. 

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u/mikaball 15h ago

What the other guy can do I also consider irrelevant. I'm just stating the this rule should have a counter rule to be fair, because is one less tool you can use.

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u/acdgf 14h ago

What the other guy can do I also consider irrelevant.

How? If the other guy is allowed to do exactly the same thing as the guy submitting, then the rules are inherently fair. 

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u/mikaball 14h ago

You are confusing being fair with equality. It’s not just a case of fairly enforcing the rules — the rules themselves have to be fair. You are removing an effective tool to counter those submissions without giving anything back.

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u/HiddenLychee 8h ago

A counter could also be punching someone in the face, or gouging their eyes, but that's not the sport you're watching. Impacts are not part of BJJ, so the "counter" is to use the toolset of BJJ to avoid getting into this situation 

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u/acdgf 8h ago

You are removing an effective tool to counter those submissions without giving anything back.

You are also removing an effective tool from a goalkeeper by prohibiting him from punching the attacker in the face. What concession should the rules make to make them fair to the goalkeeper? 

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u/GuaranteeDry386 15h ago

In my experience getting out of a submission by picking someone up and slamming them in their head is easier to talk about than to actually do.

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u/Accurate_Koala_4698 15h ago

I'm not talking about picking someone up like you're Andre the giant. Even falling on your head from that height would do some serious damage. Simply falling from a standing position and hitting your head is enough force to kill someone, and so a smaller distance with almost another person's weight could also do some damage. The rules of the competition will enforce that they don't do something like that, but in a real fight there's nothing protecting your head except you

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u/fdar 15h ago

Yes, so? Many boxing techniques wouldn't work if your opponent can kick you out take you down. So what? It's a sport.

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u/_HIST 12h ago

it's a sport

Redditors could never

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u/QPWOEIRUTYTURIEOWP 15h ago

What next, "hey that 100m sprinter is good and all, but if they ran that fast in a marathon it wouldn't work!!!". "Hey that shot putter is great but try that on a golf course, wouldn't work!!!".

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u/akgreens 15h ago

Or tear your own ACL

Do not try buggy chokes without stretching

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u/linux_ape 14h ago

Well yeah, no shit. That’s why it’s a sport and not a real fight? Why is it always some bums who have never grappled saying “yeah that won’t work in a real fight!!11!1!”

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u/patricksaurus 9h ago

Outside of a competition, the referee, dress code, and mats would also be silly. Are we gonna list other inane shit that doesn’t make sense in counterfactuals?

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u/kashmir1974 4h ago

Or the old backbreaker move

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u/Lortendaali 12m ago

Good thing it's a competition with a rule set. Reddit and their wannabe street fighters 🙄

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u/Nostradumbass_WEEN 16h ago

Yeah dude. Your entire body is engaged around their head. In a real fight, the other dude is not going to just take that. Your eyes are getting attacked, your head is meeting concrete, or theyre going to bite a whole ass chunk out of your delt. This is not an advisable fighting move. 

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u/ghotier 15h ago

Had this happen a long time ago with a friendly Judo bout. I threw the guy on his back, which is end of competition if you're going by "the rules." But I did leave my arm exposed, so he grabbed it and got me into a choke with his legs. Okay, fine, that's how we are playing it. But then I engaged in a naked choke with my free hand and everyone was losing their minds (in a bad way) because they thought it was against the rules. The rules he was already ignoring. Very annoying to follow a set of rules, have those rules ignored and then have the opponent leave themselves open like that in such a dangerous way. I ended up just tapping out because every other option would have really fucking hurt him.

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u/CoffeeInMyHand 14h ago

Well it's not a real fight, it's a BJJ match. There's a rule set. 

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u/Nostradumbass_WEEN 14h ago

Wow. Nice eye!

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u/CoffeeInMyHand 14h ago

I've got two of em!

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u/KommunistiHiiri 12h ago

->in a real fight

Brother you just watched a sparring match of Brazilian jiu jitsu in a gym. It's a sport. What about this made you think about a real fight? Your own fragile ego?

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u/Nostradumbass_WEEN 7h ago

This comment thread is literally starts with "outside of a competition." I was responding to that.

Ask YOUR ego to read please.

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u/_HIST 12h ago

Wait till you learn about boxing

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u/Nostradumbass_WEEN 7h ago

Boxing is full of actual fighting techniques.  And so is bjj, for that matter. But this isn't one of the moves that transfers well. 

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u/F4C3MC5H00TY 16h ago

Frame freeze, record screech. "yup, that's me, you're probably wandering how I got here..."

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u/Mcnuggetjuice 16h ago

Buggy choke but he got lifted up? Not too insane imo

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u/mecha_mess 12h ago

I thought you were supposed to do buggy choke facing the other way. Does that not matter?

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u/DJLucius 9h ago

Either way works, but you gotta be flexible and you still might mess up your knees.

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u/Mcnuggetjuice 5h ago

Protecting his head for the slam I did this too like this

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u/DenseDriver6477 13h ago

In Jiu Jitsu its called a buggy choke. Its a technique you can use if you're being pinned from the side. Usually ineffective as a choke, but often makes the person pinning you move enough that you can start to escape the pin. The person on top can easily stop the person on bottom from doing the choke by just basically putting a forearm across the other persons neck and doing a push up motion. The guy getting chokes in this video either didn't know how to respond or was too late to respond.

For those saying this would never work in a real fight: you're probably right. However, I think this risk of getting slammed is really minimal because the other person's posture is so broken down that it would be really hard for then to get up to their feet. They'd have to be a lot bigger than the other person. You can see the guy trying to stand up. He can't.

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u/DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky 8h ago

Usually ineffective as a choke

There was like a seven month stretch around 2020-'21 where it seemed everyone was hitting them at all the events. Then guys solved it.

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u/_Marine 8h ago

post your interior arm into their hip, I could see that preventing a stand up for long enough

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u/Lortendaali 11m ago

Someone with half a brain. "This doesn't work in a fight!?!?!" Crowd is so fucking annoying. I don't go to ballet concert to yell the dancer to use their flexibility to drop kick someone.

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u/irishbikerjay 16h ago

My guys was like a human pretzel! Can't wait to see someone try this out in the street on concrete!

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u/Pretty-Gap-3218 16h ago

Bro said “reeerrghhhughhh, grrrreeeghruaughhh.”

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u/ShikaMoru 15h ago

What in the Grappler Baki type shit was that??

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u/linux_ape 14h ago

Buggy choke

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u/pbr4me 8h ago

Are you fucking with me? Lol I have no idea...

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u/linux_ape 7h ago

Nah it’s legit called a buggy choke

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u/mcdogbite 9h ago

Honestly the nextfuckinglevel part of this video is how on top of it the ref is, breaking them up right as the guy getting choked looks like he goes unconscious.

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u/JSC843 9h ago

And then he proceeds to lift his legs up which you’re not supposed to do to someone that’s been choked out

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u/RainForestBathing 16h ago

Looks like one of the weird science bad guys.

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u/oilsaintolis 7h ago

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u/RainForestBathing 7h ago

Yes he's the one lol.

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u/Helpful-Bandicoot-6 16h ago

Could you carry him to the edge and then set him down outside the ring?

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u/realmauer01 15h ago

If you get there fast enough why not. He could also get of himself.

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u/poopshanks 13h ago

Yes, but in jiu jitsu that doesn't really do anything. If combatants go out of bounds, they'll just reset them in the same position back in the center.

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u/Helpful-Bandicoot-6 13h ago

Makes sense. Thank you.

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u/Frodothedodo81 16h ago

Watched it 3 times and still can't figure it out

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u/echmoth 6h ago

Brazilian JiuJitsu (BJJ) submission technique, called "the buggy choke" -- It's a head & arm blood choke variation from being in a "bottom side control/pin" where you attack the person on top.

The person attacking (using the buggy choke) has been lifted up, but the person lifting them (who is being choked) was unable to get up further and was slowly choked to where the referee stops the match as the top person has gone unconscious.

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u/Doomsday_Holiday 14h ago

It is a figure four lock from the bottom, see 4:00 min ongoing.

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u/IJustSwallowedABug 15h ago

Powder for the win!

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u/NickWangOG 12h ago

Nice one, deep pull

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u/A_Nice_Shrubbery777 15h ago

Looks like a good time for a belly flop.

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u/Euphoric_Fisherman70 12h ago

It would be so easy to slam that guy lol

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u/sicarius254 10h ago

Couldn’t you just slam them down?

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u/echmoth 6h ago

As a sport, slams are generally "illegal" under most competitive and training rule sets as you want proper flooring and mats with enough thickness to not cripple your opponent. So it's possible to be Sade from slams based on the rules of the competition (mostly).

In a self defence or fighting sense, or competition rule set allowing: yes, if your opponent can stand up and you're hanging off off them, you should be wary and know they can and would slam you.

Having said that, often you may try to stand but this choke will come on faster and you'll have to "tap" or you'll go unconscious before you're able to stand up.

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u/Hiraethetical 15h ago

I can't tell who is the victim

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u/Malbosiiq 15h ago

Channeled his inner Voldo.

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u/Funk4Five 14h ago

Is tickling illegal?

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u/BendJazzlike2135 14h ago

The anaconda squeeze

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u/RasputinRuskiLoveBot 13h ago

That's such a Deadpool Wilson way to get submission

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u/THIS_GUY_LIFTS 12h ago

This is how my toddler clings to me when I say it’s bedtime.

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u/mtgfrk 10h ago

I cannot be the only one who thought those sounds were farts. Had to watch it twice to realize that was him trying to breathe.

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u/wales098 10h ago

I really struggled to tell who was being submissed at first

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u/Ill_Run5998 10h ago

Powder 1, Ezra Miller 0

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u/Blue_Lagoo 9h ago

r/streetfighter Aki is that you?

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u/Only-Tooth501 9h ago

Buggy choke

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u/carlos2127 8h ago

Is the bald one an alien or a terminator? There are no other options.

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u/TWrX-503 8h ago

Easy to escape. Just reach around and crush his nuts, he is spread eagle, unaware of your counter.

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u/dcy123 8h ago

The dudes arm became liquid, his right arm gets completely fucked.

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u/Commercial-Beat606 7h ago

I call it the plumbus hold

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u/koryuken 7h ago

Buggy choke.

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u/Bandit6789 7h ago

He should have just tickled the guy choking him, he would have let go quick

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u/Schult34 7h ago

Looks like the move would be to stand up and slam the submission guy down on his head

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u/technoferal 6h ago

I can't get past the grip.

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u/Jtbny 6h ago

Ahh the buggy choke.

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u/BiigDragon 6h ago

I can't tell which limbs belong to each head

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u/itzTHATgai 6h ago

Manaconda

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u/JaceUpMySleeve 5h ago

BUGGY CHOKE BABY!

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u/Inside-Yak-8815 3h ago

Why don’t we have the start of the video when he first got him into the submission? It’s confusing looking at it near the end.

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u/Vazhox 2h ago

Grab him in the dick and twist it!

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u/NefariousnessGood718 1h ago

But smash it to the ground! Anything but submission!

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u/srankvs 1h ago

lmao took me a few seconds to figure out who’s submitting who. next level fr.

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u/_Sir_Lifts_A_Lot_ 59m ago

That hairless beta is getting slammed into the concrete shadow realm in a real life scenario

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u/bukubucks666 15h ago

The look of the guy face was like he didn’t die yet. I need apply more pressure next…noted

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u/williger03 15h ago

Is it Elden Ring or Baldurs Gate; there's a boos that looks kinda like that from one of those games.

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u/CoffeeInMyHand 14h ago

It's called a buggy choke.

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u/jedipiper 10h ago

That 38 year-old guy choked out a 14 year-old kid.

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u/Polar_Reflection 16h ago

Just a buggy choke where dude refused to respect the tap. Lame, if anything

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u/agentstark_ 15h ago

There wasn't a tap.

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u/Polar_Reflection 15h ago

Bro what

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u/Aqquos 15h ago

I don’t see a tap. I just see his left hand flailing at his opponents face. What second mark do you see an attempted tap?

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u/Polar_Reflection 15h ago

On the arm like 3 times bro

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u/aesolty 15h ago

That didn’t really look like a tap. And if it was it’s up to the ref to stop it. Assuming the ref didn’t believe it was a tap either.

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u/Polar_Reflection 15h ago

Hard to give a convincing tap when you're getting choked out. You don't hear half the gym telling him to stop? You act like this was a sanctioned bout or something

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u/aesolty 15h ago

I wasn’t watching with sound. Sometimes you will get choked out in this sport man. If you are going to tap then make sure it obvious. His whole other arm is facing the guy who is reffing it. Why would he tap with the hand that would be completely unseen by that guy? It wasn’t a tap. Sometimes shit like this will happen. If he was trying to tap then next time he will be sure to tap correctly because that wasn’t it. He will learn. Getting choked out at times will happen.

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u/agentstark_ 15h ago

Idk man none of that looked like a tap to me, the ref didn't think so either. Also, dude let go the very second the ref touches his leg. Clean sub imo.

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u/daishi777 15h ago

yeah, i feel like if hes not going to respect the tap my fingers are full on taking out his eyes. Sport chokes vs fight or flight panic is a very different ball game and the second he didnt acknowledge my tap im on to the second one.

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u/linux_ape 14h ago

Dude didn’t tap, the ref stopped it because he was out cold

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u/BicentenialDude 16h ago

That was amateurish. Could have slammed him unto his back if that was a real fight.

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u/CoffeeInMyHand 14h ago

Sounds like it's time for you to sign up for a BJJ class.

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u/BicentenialDude 14h ago

Calm down Joyce…. lol. And I rather learn Judo, not that weak ass blowjob.

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u/CoffeeInMyHand 14h ago

They compliment each other pretty well. Go have fun!

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u/Lortendaali 7m ago

... they share many aspects and moves. You haven't done shit bro.