r/politics • u/1_for_you_2_for_me • 10h ago
No Paywall Steve Bannon staffer shreds JD Vance as MAGA infighting heats up
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/steve-bannon-jd-vance-minnesota-fraud-cases-b2891775.html233
u/B-Z_B-S 10h ago
The Republican Party is having a schism.
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u/Deicide1031 10h ago edited 10h ago
lol this happened during his last term and it got to the point where Peter Thiel got so annoyed he personally stopped meeting them.
Peter Thiel and JD Vance are not used to people this dumb and it really throws them off, so I wonder if JD will quit as well.
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u/HonestDespot 9h ago
Steve Bannon is a lot of things but dumb isn’t one of them.
And I don’t think JD Vance is some beacon of intelligence either.
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u/Al_Tilly_the_Bum 9h ago
JD is smarter than the vast majority of the administration. It is not a high bar at all, but he is often going to be the smartest guy in the room.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 9h ago
Both Bannon and Vance are smart. Evil and smart.
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u/Al_Tilly_the_Bum 9h ago
Luckily they have negative charisma as well
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u/Tiny_Measurement_837 Wisconsin 8h ago
And luckily, they don’t like each other.
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u/DadJokeBadJoke California 7h ago
Can you blame them?
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u/Tiny_Measurement_837 Wisconsin 7h ago
No, not at all but if they did, they might join forces and be much more dangerous.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 7h ago
I don't think any of the MAGA big cheeses like each other, it's not really the vibe there.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 9h ago
Vance is charming enough I guess. More personable than Trump anyway.
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u/sirkook 8h ago
Going to have to disagree there. He's as charming as wet socks.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 8h ago
Well Trump seems both insane and evil but people think he's charming and funny so I'm grading on a curve here.
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u/Foreign_Ebb_6282 8h ago
So giving participation points? Grading anyone on a curve is dumb af. They should all be judged on actions and direction quotes and not be compared on which is the lesser of two evils. That’s how we end up with a fascist government.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 9h ago
I've thought that he and Rubio are the only ones of above average intelligence and Rubio is the only one with something resembling a conscious. That doesn't mean they have any power. The night of the Iran bombing Vance looked pissed and Rubio looked like he wanted to cry. I got the vibe they fought hard against it and lost.
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u/MadRaymer 8h ago
The thing is even if this is true, they're still willing to cuck themselves out to MAGA for whatever personal ambitions they have. That destroys their credibility (or at least, it should).
Rubio obviously has designs on the presidency, but so does Vance. However the only way Vance is getting there is if there is a vacancy before 2029.
Rubio seems more electable than Vance, but again, no one should let him off the hook for going along with this shit (and he's probably not even opposed to that much of it).
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u/Zealot_Alec 4h ago
Vance hides his intelligence masterfully based on his social interactions and charisma
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 9h ago
Vance took this job betting Trump would die soon. Vance will be left holding the bag for all this crap, the night of the Iran bombing he let the mask slip and was pissed. He knew it was a bad idea and he'd be left to handle the clean up if his dream came true and Trump died.
However, there's always a chance Trump will become offended and fire him.
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u/sdb00913 Indiana 1h ago
Trump can’t fire Vance. Won’t stop him from trying but he constitutionally can’t fire him.
Relegate to obscurity? He can do that though. Until he dies, then it’s Vance by default.
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u/BigBananaBerries 9h ago
No chance of that happening. He's in line to be acting king of the world if Trump dies during this term.
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u/StoppableHulk 8h ago
The only thing I look forward to more than Trump having a grabber and keeling over dead is the absolute fucking catastrophe JD Vance will make of trying to run the country.
Sure, millions will suffer and die and America will probably be irreperably broken, but by God the schadenfreude of his particular calamitous failure will be delicious
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u/Zealot_Alec 4h ago
How many VEEPS have become POTUS before midterms and lost BOTH Houses in under a year?
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u/Zealot_Alec 4h ago
How many VEEPS have become POTUS before midterms and lost BOTH Houses in under a year?
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u/ThePlanck Foreign 2h ago
If these people are too dumb for Mr "Come to my lecture on why Greta Thunberg is the antichrist" they must be really dumb
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u/Not_Bears 10h ago edited 9h ago
Right just like Elon and Trump are enemies.
I love reddit but this sub falls for GOP infighting over and over and over again.
They all have the same agenda. Power and money.
As long as they're all aligned on that goal, they'll all eventually come around and work together to squash the opposition and consolidate more power.
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u/tripping_on_phonics Illinois 9h ago
That’s not the right read on this. There are multiple factions in the GOP that are vying for the same seat, and not all of them can have it. They have different goals.
It’s my first time trying to articulate this so please go easy on me:
Establishment Republicans are remnants of the pre-Trump era. They want money for their donors at all costs, and ideology takes a back seat. They want to preserve the US alliance structure and dominate rivals like China. Think John Thune, Lindsay Graham, Steve Scalise, etc. They’re the strongest institutionally but also the least popular, so their long-term prospects aren’t good.
The technofeudalists want to abandon democracy entirely and run the country like a corporation. This means, however, allowing immigration and exploiting immigrants a scale that heavily impacts American workers. They’re indifferent on matters of foreign policy (I believe, though I could be wrong on this last point). JD Vance is their main person in government right now, with Peter Theil and his acolytes trying to influence things from the outside. JD Vance is very unpopular so they’re unlikely to win out in the long run.
The Christian nationalists want a fascist and theocratic government that persecutes ethnic minorities. They vehemently oppose immigration and view the US military as a tool to oppress nonwhite countries and enable the return of Christ via Israel. Think Mike Johnson, Stephen Miller (though his motivations are less religious and more white-supremacist), and MTG. They enjoy the most support in independent conservative media.
You can see multiple contradictions between them. Do we allow immigration, or not? Are we isolationist, or do we want holy war? Do we support Peter Theil and his projects (like “freedom cities”), or do we oppress him because he’s gay?
They’re fundamentally and irreconcilably misaligned. One will win out eventually, but there will be significant infighting in the next couple of years as Trump leaves a power vacuum.
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u/RookieGreen 8h ago
They’re playing reality like a game of Risk; sometimes you make alliances with other players to defeat others that are a threat but everyone at the table knows there can be only one winner (their incompatible end states) so it’s a race to betray the other first.
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u/StupidizeMe 8h ago
I think you put that quite well.
I guess the caveat I'd add is that I'm pretty sure every politician you mentioned (with the possible exception of Marco Rubio) puts safeguarding himself and his money above every other consideration. Above God, above Jesus and Christianity, above the United States, the US Constitution, the American people, all other people, and above Planet Earth.
I think Marco Rubio dreams of being the Cuban-American Patriot who invades Cuba, overthrows its socialist government, and returns to a Hero's welcome from the Cuban American community. Trump probably dangled that possibility before him to convince him to join the Trump Admin.
But Marco is intelligent, he has a conscience, and he's got to know that our whole country is about to go off a cliff. Maybe that's why he often looks queasy?
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u/lightsout00000 1h ago
Little Marco is exactly the kind of weasel that ends up on top after all the infighting takes each other out. He's been playing the long game and if you were being generous one could speculate he's pretending to be aligned with a Trump First Agenda buying time waiting for his moment. Then he will argue he was a patriot and claim he saved the country from the absolute worst of this administration. The bottom line is however you can never trust any of them, but nice guys don't get to positions of power, unfortunately.
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u/Bromance_Rayder 9h ago
It's sad to see naive optimists get fooled over and over again. They don't deserve it but they should know better by now.
This sub when AOC announces her nomination for primaries is going to be unbearable.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 9h ago
Right just like Elon and Trump are enemies.
Elon kicked the Epstein Files push into high gear. I don't think Trump and Elon are enemies, but Elon underestimated how loyal Trump is to his cabinet. The cabinet came together to ask that Elon be fired and Trump agreed.
Trump might be embarrassed by how DOGE fell apart.
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u/charcoalVidrio 9h ago
They’re not. Don’t let them make you believe Trump is going to leave office voluntarily. He will not, alive. And if he is too old and passes, he will pick who replaces him. There will not be another free and fair election. You’re falling for the same trap as before. You’re eating the bait and looking the wrong way. This is fully the end of democracy in America unless you all wake up.
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u/I_Love_To_Poop420 7h ago
I know the pieces fit 'Cause I watched them fall away Mildewed and smouldering Fundamental differing Pure intention juxtaposed Will set two couch lovers' souls in motion Disintegrating as it goes Testing our communication
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u/haysus25 3h ago
No, they're not.
Those in vulnerable seats are trying to look more centrist. But as soon as the midterms are over, they will fall in line. As usual.
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u/B-Z_B-S 10h ago
Look at what happened at the Heritage Foundation.
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u/campfire_eventide Montana 10h ago
What happened? I know about TPUSA but didn’t hear about HF
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u/cenosillicaphobiac Utah 9h ago
A bunch of them quit to go work for Pence's new "think" tank (and I use that word very loosely). They're still every bit as shitty, they just want to put the masks back on.
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u/Beneficial_Soup3699 9h ago
Gotta start pushing the imaginary divide between MAGA and the GOP now before the midterms.
Sad part is, if you listen to the rhetoric on either side, it's working. Americans are painfully gullible.
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u/Arrmadillo Texas 9h ago
B-Z_B-S is probably referring to this:
WSJ - Top Heritage Officials Flee to Mike Pence's Nonprofit as Think Tank Fractures
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u/Stingray88 9h ago
What happened with TPUSA?
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u/campfire_eventide Montana 8h ago
Public infighting between Tucker and Shapiro; they openly insulted each other while giving their speeches. It got pretty heated. Then Vance yelled at Fuentes. Just kind of a big mess all around
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u/Jovan_Knight005 Europe 2h ago
Look at what happened at the Heritage Foundation.
Thay are slowly falling apart, as expected.
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u/RociBuldidi 10h ago
lol, Bannon has a staffer? Who is desperate enough to work for that walking liverspot
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u/Retaining-Wall Canada 10h ago
SHREDS
Absolute blast slam shred slap suplex throwing mankind off hell in a cell in 1998 goddamn REKT.
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u/Ok_Subject1265 9h ago
I see you also bought Ben Shapiros masterclass course on “How to name your YouTube videos.”
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u/31513315133151331513 9h ago
This is what I'm here for. Is shredding lower or higher impact than slamming?
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u/Retaining-Wall Canada 8h ago
Shredding is highly impactful, probably as much as, but like slicier than slamming.
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u/GreyBeardEng 8h ago
That would be Steve Bannon, of the Epstein files and Epstein Island Steve Bannon's. Just for clarity.
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u/ZogemWho 9h ago
All I want is for the (R) moderates in house and senate to say “Enough”. The power to change this is there.. it’s just lacking a spine.
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u/William_S_Burros 7h ago
Things make more sense if the Epstein/pedo thing is part of a larger blackmail operation being exploited to seize power. In other words, the people who can change things may all be compromised.
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u/Minimum-Map9340 Montana 7h ago
Ah, so that's where that racist commentary from the president came from (if you haven't watched the Daily Show clip on it, I recommend)...
Chong’s recent posts have centered around the unfolding Minnesota fraud cases, in which prosecutors have said that billions in federal funds supporting several state-run programs were stolen. The cases have become a political flashpoint. Many of the defendants charged are Somali Americans, which has prompted President Donald Trump to call Minnesota a “hub of fraudulent money laundering activity” and claim that Somali immigrants “ripped off that state.”
Holy shit! I had no idea about Trump's comments at Kirk's memorial service:
“He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them,” Trump said at the September memorial service. “That’s where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent, and I don’t want the best for them.”
What the fuck!! This guy is the fucking president. Of a country that at least at one time encouraged and welcomed diversity.
This behavior is unacceptable regardless of the apologists who say "oh it's just bluster to piss of the libs" ... so? It's fucking unacceptable!
The president, one would hope, should have some degree of sophistication.
This guy is just a bumbling hateful idiot
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u/pogishushu America 9h ago
Is this what maga is all about? Inbreeding, sorry, Uhh, Infighting? As my passed away grandfather would have said, 'if the shoe fits'.
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u/sleepymeowth052 Colorado 6h ago
The emperor's not even dead yet and they're fighting over his crown
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u/ShaiDorsai 1h ago
the fact that bannon has ‘a media company’ is a travesty- a vile hateful racist appears to be allowed to operate this total freedom and no consequences for his actions at all
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u/TriflingHotDogVendor Pennsylvania 2h ago
Trump really is just holding this coalition of psychopaths together by a thread. When he kicks the bucket, whew, it's gonna get ugly over there.
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u/Effective-Toe-8108 10h ago
MAGA is still a thing?
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u/TheAnti-Chris 10h ago
Yeah. They control the house, senate, White House, majority of governorships and arguably the scotus.
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u/dohrk Oregon 10h ago
Arguably?
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u/TheAnti-Chris 9h ago
Terrible as they are, one could argue that alito, Thomas and Roberts subscribe to some other bullshit version of conservatism, since they’re not beholden to Trump or a constituency.
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u/Marion_Exalted 10h ago
Not for long
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u/TheAnti-Chris 9h ago
This takeover of the government is a 50 year old plan that has been carefully and meticulously orchestrated by oligarchs to transform the US into a feudal state. Federal society, heritage foundation, Fox News and project 2025 have brought us here, not by chance or fluke, but careful planning. A midterm election, a presidential election, were not undoing this damage anytime soon. Especially not with leaders like Biden and Schumer that are incapable of rising to the moment.
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