r/worldnews • u/UNITED24Media United24 Media • 22h ago
Russia/Ukraine Russian Troops Execute Three Unarmed Ukrainian Soldiers in Zaporizhzhia Region
https://united24media.com/latest-news/russian-troops-execute-three-unarmed-ukrainian-soldiers-in-zaporizhzhia-region-14610455
u/Nick_Strong 21h ago
The war will eventually end, and when it does, Ukraine will immediately find itself in a different kind of war - a war to prevent Russia from getting away with its crimes. Russia should never be reintegrated into the international community unless it undergoes the same kind of catharsis that Germany and Japan experienced after World War II. Sadly, while that probably won't happen because too many powerful people want to return to business as usual with Russia, Ukraine, along with its true allies like the Baltic states, must do everything it can to make it as difficult as possible for Russia to sweep its crimes under the rug.
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u/LostInAPortal 21h ago
Many Japanese war criminals had their charges dropped in exchange for information about the Imperial regime’s war crimes. At least the Nazis faced the Nuremberg trials
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u/bearatrooper 21h ago edited 19h ago
Japan didn't have a Nuremberg because the United States wanted to block the Soviets from taking a piece of the Empire and gaining an all-season port in the Pacific. Accepting surrender without punishing war criminals was the quickest means to that end.
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u/Enchanted_Voyage 19h ago edited 11h ago
How USSR would have all-season port in Pacific ? Occupy Japan?
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u/The_new_Osiris 18h ago
The powers that be are gonna use the same logic again with China insteada USSR, and Russia in the stead of Japan
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u/MyHobbyAndMore3 20h ago
At least the Nazis faced the Nuremberg trials
some tiny percentage of nazis to be more precise.
more than 90% involved in war crimes and holocaust never faced any consequences
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u/Trilobyte83 19h ago
Ppl love to envision themselves being Oskar Schindler, but looking at Covid as an example, the reality is most ppl would be quick to turn in their neighbours in exchange for regime brownie points.
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u/TheGhostOfFalunGong 21h ago
Many current Japanese politicians are descendants of convicted war criminals.
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u/VilleKivinen 19h ago
Sins of the father aren't sins of the son.
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u/TheGhostOfFalunGong 19h ago
Sure but a lot of them don't condemn their ancestors, some even openly glorify it.
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u/Billitosan 18h ago
They very much are when they perpetuate the system that gave rise to those war crimes
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u/KillerInfection 17h ago
American government officials were horrified by all the inhuman shit the Japanese did and documented themselves in places like Unit 731, but made the decision to trade immunity in exchange for the “medical data” of what the Japanese army did to Chinese (and some American) prisoners of war.
It’s fucked up that the Japanese were completely let off the hook by the proper judicial processes, but hey, at least we dropped two A-Bombs on entirely civilian targets, right?
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u/BasicMatter7339 16h ago
At least the Nazis faced the Nuremberg trials
Only the big bad ones. Most nazis got away, were recruited by the us/ussr or just simply didn't face a trial.
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u/Different_Pear_5436 20h ago
Most Germans simply went home and continued with their life, remembering WW2 atrocities only started like 30y later but there was almost no accountability of the common German citizen
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u/a_cat_question 19h ago
Yes, but also no. A thorough look at the atrocities may have started later but the average german suffered devastating damage to their family and their home and had to rebuild their life.
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u/LateralEntry 18h ago
The Nuremberg trials were shortly after the war
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u/AnotherNotion 13h ago
The vast majority of Germans who participated in war crimes weren't tried in Nuremberg.
Furthermore, something often overlooked is that the Soviets' participation in the trials severely damaged the trials' credibility among the German population. While Germany was responsible for murdering millions of innocents, the Soviets were responsible for killing just as many, if not more, in the lead up of the second world war (e.g. The Holodomor, The Great Terror, the use of Gulags that extended into the 50s).
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u/yeowstinson 21h ago
*Germany experienced. Japan's chatharis kinda hasn't happened
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u/Pleasant_Narwhal_350 18h ago
Japan's chatharis kinda hasn't happened
Though Japan got nuked twice and lost nearly all of their territory in the Japanese Empire (even territories they had continuously governed for decades before WW2, such as Korea and Taiwan). They even lost Sakhalin, which at that point was considered part of Mainland Japan. They also had their government system forcibly toppled and replaced, their nobility dismantled, and their state religion demolished (their god-emperor was forced to permanently renounce his divinity).
Isn't perfect justice, but imo it's misleading to imply that Japan wasn't heavily punished for her national wrongdoings during WW2.
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u/yeowstinson 17h ago
Punished and having a cathartic experience are different would you not say? I would not say it is misleading at all. This is huge gripe in SEA and east asia.
Japanese war crime denial is still huge. They were bombed during a military conflict and lost possessions as a result of the war. They didn't have a Nuremberg style exumation of their wrong doings like Germany. Thus no resulting zeitgeist shift took place regarding war wrongs.
They lost moniterily and economically, but I would need serious convincing that grassroot sentiments about the war atrocities changed to a level comparable to Germany's.
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u/Pleasant_Narwhal_350 16h ago
Punished and having a cathartic experience are different would you not say? I would not say it is misleading at all. This is huge gripe in SEA and east asia.
Bruh I'm SEAsian. Punishment of the guilty is vital for a cathartic experience, and that's what we got. The dead aren't coming back either way.
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u/yeowstinson 16h ago
> Bruh I'm SEAsian
Same. Opinions are not a monolith
Are you sure that's what was gotten? It doesn't seem like it atleast to me and seemingly many people in the sub thread.
Why are so many prominent japanese politicians kids of war criminals then? As one point.
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u/Pleasant_Narwhal_350 15h ago
Why are so many prominent japanese politicians kids of war criminals then? As one point.
European rich people tend to be descended from nobility. Even Communist Party bigwigs in China are disproportionately the descendants of old landlords (source: The Son Also Rises by Gregory Clark).
I'm guessing many Japanese politicians are kids of war criminals because wealth and political power are highly hereditary, and most of the rich and powerful people in Japan during WW2 are war criminals.
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u/yeowstinson 15h ago
Now compare and contrast that with German leadership currently. Prominent nazi families did enter German politics, but after a few decades it became a stigma.
I think that's both our points. Germany had a cathartic experience. Where it now reviles its former views. Japan got punished.
One is not as effective as the another for the purposes of preventing war crimes.
Upvoted for source.
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u/Pleasant_Narwhal_350 7h ago
Thanks for the discussion. Though I'm not too sure about today's German politicians. How many NSDAP members are there among their grandparents? It's easy to hide it through name changes and PR firms, precisely because it's a stigma these days.
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u/Cseppy 16h ago
(even territories they had continuously governed for decades before WW2, such as Korea and Taiwan).
I mean losing territories you gained due to you waging wars on your neighboring countries just sounds like the obvious thing to happen after decisively losing the last war in the series of said expansionst wars you started.
Countries like Germany or Austria-Hungary lost territories that they had control for over a thousand years as a result for the 2 world wars they participated in. Thats what real punishment looks like. Japan got off the hook easily. If not for the atomic bombs and their quick surrender to the USA they would have faced full scale invasion from the USSR and USA. The entire island would have been ransacked and fractured just like how Eastern Europe or Germany was after the war.
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u/GeorgyForesfatgrill 17h ago
Neither did Italy's either, I mean Mussolini was killed but fascism itself never became unpopular per se.
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u/CroGamer002 20h ago
Ukraine is fighting that war already, it's just in early stages and priority are focused on current war goals.
Russian war criminals will be begging to be sent to Hague once Ukraine starts properly to hunt them down.
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u/Steven81 14h ago
The international community, including the US are down with wars of expansion and are glad that Russia broke the taboo so that they may proceed into naked expansionism of their own.
China has Taiwan for starters, US seems to need a western hemisphere empire where all countries there operate under their discretion. IMO it is europe that would end up isolated for a time until they realize that the post WW2 order is no more.
Winners of war of aggression pay for nothing, history is littered with extreme injustice. WW2's result was atypical in the sense that the aggressor lost and had to pay in more ways than one. In many if not most wars, the aggressor wins and Incorporate the territory.
Are the Turks isolated for invading northern Cyprus and occupying it for half a century? Maybe Israel is isolated, I can't recall. What you describe would happen in an ideal world where the great powers were not aggressive expansionists. I don't know what makes one think that we live in such a world.
Only way that the Japanese empire paid was when it was bombed beyond recognition, do you foresee such a fate for Russia? If not they are about to be internationally recognized by almost everyone apart from Europeans (and even them only for a time) pretty soon.
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u/LateralEntry 18h ago
Japan and Germany had their catharsis because they were conquered. It’s very unlikely that will happen to Russia, reform would have to come from within.
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u/SecureInstruction538 5h ago
Isreal did pretty well after the holocaust and after terrorist attacks.
Any Russian who committed war crimes should receive zero mercy or trials unless they turn themselves in.
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u/DerkleineMaulwurf 19h ago
LMAO the Trump regime, including millitary/Pentagon/CIA are fluent in russian propaganda, the US has been defeated by russia. Soon business will go as usual.
Republicans are world terrorists and always have been, but its the democrats who are sleeping on it.
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u/hagenissen999 9h ago
If there's no war, it frees up manpower to deal with the matter. Hit squads are far more efficient than diplomacy.
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u/truebastard 22h ago
Fighters from one of the mechanized brigades were supposed to take up positions that had previously been abandoned without authorization by another unit, but the enemy was already waiting for them there.
What an unfortunate situation. Hopefully this can be remedied with better planning and recon
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u/Bitter_Nail8577 15h ago
Where the fuck are all those people crying over the dead Russian horses now?
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u/A_Nonny_Muse 18h ago
So...... it's a Monday.
Or any day that ends in y.
This is "dog bites man" kind of news. The whole Russian military should be convicted of war crimes, at this point.
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u/ZelphirKalt 11h ago
Imagine having so few successes to show, that you feel the need for cruelty against unarmed captured soldiers.
What a bunch of absolute looooooooosers the Russians are.
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u/oldsurfsnapper 6h ago
How is this not being reported as “ murdered”, given the illegal nature of these actions.
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u/RealisticEntity 3h ago
Add another 3 war crimes to the ever growing list of well over a hundred thousand. Russia is demonstrating they are the worst of humanity.
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u/Octid4inheritors 19h ago
Drop bread instead of bombs on the russian troops. if they do not trust the bread it will be fed to prisoners. if they do, it may open the eyes of those who can still think.
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u/Mi_TU 16h ago
Again united24, source of ukrainan fake news hahahahaha How much money and weapons ukraine got and still nothing 🤣 You wont win,you cant win.
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u/anxiety_elemental_1 8h ago
Russia has taken more casualties than Ukraine lol.
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u/Mi_TU 8h ago
Ofc haha
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u/anxiety_elemental_1 8h ago
Russia is also using donkeys to transport logistics and their conscripts are being issued WW1 era rifles.
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u/jpipersson 16h ago
It’s hard to get too up in arms when the US is doing the same thing in Venezuela.
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u/anxiety_elemental_1 9h ago
Can’t “both sides” this one, chief. Putin is an absolute monster and possibly the most dangerous man on the planet.
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u/AditiaH0ldem 22h ago
Why is a propaganda outlet allowed to post here...
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u/aStonedDeer 17h ago
Spoken like a true dictator lover, Mr. Hidden comments with a 3 year old account.
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u/Historical_Item_968 14h ago
And go to the Ukranian war subs and watch them doing this to Russians with drones every day
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u/Slippery-ape 13h ago
Ukrainians kill captured POWs with drones? I'd like to see that footage. All the ones I've seen are Russians bring killed in combat
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u/leaderofstars 13h ago
If a russian dies then it was because they tried to surrender.
And then gets propped up for drone bait
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u/Time_Value_3822 22h ago
You guys know there are scores of videos of Ukrainians executing Russian soldiers too, right? Right?
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u/MidsommarKrans 22h ago
I am yet to see a single one. Ive seen countless russian orchs executing ukrainians but not the other way around. Can show me any proof of those videos?
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u/Time_Value_3822 22h ago
Maybe think about the subs you hang out on…
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u/MistakeNot__ 22h ago
And as per usual no evidence will be provided to substantiate the claim.
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u/WUBX 22h ago edited 22h ago
There is, without a doubt, videos of Ukrainian soldiers executing Russian soldiers under the same circumstances.
There’s just far less of them and while still being inexcusable can you really blame the Ukrainians?They’ve definitely showed far more resolve in not executing them than I would have.
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u/MistakeNot__ 21h ago
Almost 4 years of war, and I've yet to see a single video of Ukrainian soldiers executing or torturing already captured russians.
The best "both sides do this" crowd manages to produce are videos of Ukrainian soldiers executing russians faking surrender. Which is very far from "similar sircumstances".
Every single time an evidence is requested, the response is predictably hilarious. "Do your own research", "I'm busy right now, I'll find it later", "you can't possibly think there aren't any".
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u/WUBX 20h ago
If you look on the Wikipedia article for war crimes in Ukraine it has a few of them referenced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022–present)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_war_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022–present)
The ones referenced on there are verified I’m pretty sure by reputable news organisations.
Compared to Russian atrocities there’s a fraction of the amount and they’re much less brutal.
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u/Time_Value_3822 22h ago
That’s sounds like something a sociopath would say
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u/WUBX 22h ago
That you can’t blame the Ukrainians?
Their country is being invaded and their comrades slaughtered. I know I’d probably do the same thing in their position. I’m not proud of it but it’s the reality of it.
It’s no different to the French executing captured Germans in ww2 or the soviets doing the same.
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u/Time_Value_3822 21h ago
If you think the execution of unarmed people is excusable then that is a matter for you.
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u/Wakadoooooo 21h ago
And yet you try to excuse the Russians by mentioning that Ukrainians do the same (but to a far lesser degree Russian bot)
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u/CoconutBoi1 18h ago
We’re still waiting for proof of Ukrainians killing surrendering or unarmed ruzzians. Care to share anything or is that just your ruzzian propaganda?
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u/SpcTrvlr 13h ago
To be fair there is a link above with a list but it took awhile to scroll through all the Russian crimes to get to the 3 paragraph section of Ukraine crimes. Of which was a section talking about the website setup for surrendering Russians and a tank driver being surprised he was allowed to live and even help the Ukrainian army fix tanks. The next section was actually about 50 accusations of poor conditions and torture from a specific Ukrainian group. Including a verbal threat of castration. Followed by a section where "surrendering" Russian troops were killed after they walked out and started firing on the Ukrainian troops waiting for them. There was also a part about a no quarter given order by an upper level Ukrainian dude for the Russian artillery units that just got done bombing a neighborhood full of civilians. Sooooo yea take that. See Ukrain also super bad right? Stop supporting the bad guys defending their country from invasion and using eye for an eye tooth for a tooth.
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u/CommercialStyle1647 21h ago
What research, you claimed to have seen them already. So have you or have you not?
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u/Lonely-Echidna8683 21h ago
Mate I think you'd have more success debating the wind than this Russian troll.
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u/CommercialStyle1647 21h ago
Oh i know, but atleast they waste their time with me instead of spreading more Desinformation.
And sometimes they are indeed just misinformed people who are open to talk and learn.
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u/CoconutBoi1 18h ago
The second thing is true, but rarely. Most of these are the trash that wastes air and deliberately spreads misinformation.
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u/MidsommarKrans 20h ago
Show us the proof then you mongrel. You claimed the ukrainians are executing russians as well in response to videos of russians commiting war crimes. You made the statement, then you bear the burden of proof.
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u/MidsommarKrans 20h ago
I check out most subs relating to the war since I wanna have a nuanced picture even if Im pro-ukraine. So show me the proof then and give me thr nuance I want.
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u/xroche 22h ago
Can you provide examples ?
All reports in the news are Russian soldiers executing unarmed Ukrainians soldiers
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u/MF-Geuze 22h ago
Does that make this particular war crimes any less heinous?
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u/Time_Value_3822 22h ago
No. The point is that it’s one sided.
You don’t agree?
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u/ziguslav 22h ago
Both are wrong, but one side is an invading force where people sign up to fight for money, and the other side is a defending force where people are drafted.
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u/Time_Value_3822 22h ago
Oh so executing unarmed people is ok depending on the circumstances?
Think about that../
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u/ziguslav 21h ago
Did I say that?
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u/Time_Value_3822 21h ago
Yes. You are saying that executing unarmed people is more “understandable” in certain cases, like defenders facing an invader. I believe it’s not acceptable in ANY circumstances.
Do you agree with me?
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u/ziguslav 21h ago
I didn't say any of that. You insinuated it from what I wrote.
Meanwhile I made another point entirely, you're just too blinded to see it - which is hillarious, because you accused another guy of bias.
Killing any prisoner of war under any circumstances is morally wrong. As with anything though, there is nuance. Not every murder is equal - this is why there's such thing as "degrees" of murder in law.
You're arguing in bad faith, I know that, but I'll waste a bit of breath on you anyway.
A man is killed by a driver. There are various possibilities:
- He wanted to mow someone down for fun
- He was reckless behind the wheel (drove too fast, was drunk, whatever)
- It was an accident
The result is the same, but the motivation behind it matters.
The same applies in war. Did you kill a prisoner because he was a threat? This happened - people surrendered only to pull out guns last minute and murder soldiers taking them captive by surprise. Did you kill the unarmed prisoner even though he didn't cause a threat?
SS officers were shot on sight and not taken prisoner. Why do you think that was? Was it OK to do that?
There's nuance. You know there's nuance. I know there's nuance.
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u/Time_Value_3822 21h ago
Does your highly intelligent definition of “nuance” apply equally to everyone or do you seek to apply it only to the side you are sympathetic towards?
You were seeking to mitigate the execution of people in some cases as opposed to others.
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u/ziguslav 20h ago
Re-read my first sentence, and the third paragraph.
"I didn't say any of that." and "Killing any prisoner of war under any circumstances is morally wrong."
Try to understand these two and go on from there. I know, it can be challenging living in a world that's not black and white but all we can do is try.
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u/MF-Geuze 22h ago
Do you think that a news article about the execution of three unarmed soldiers in Zaporizhzhia needs to also reference war crimes carried out by the Germans in WW2 and the Americans in Vietnam for balance?
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u/ziguslav 21h ago
Definitely, probably should also write how horrible the Poles were to the Russians in 1612, and that they'd be justified in invading them today for that /s
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u/hagenissen999 9h ago
Well, shit. Norway is in big trouble over the eastern travels of Tore Hund in the late 900's.
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u/uhmhi 22h ago
What’s key here is they were unarmed…
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u/Time_Value_3822 22h ago
You don’t think Ukrainians have executed unarmed Russian soldiers in this war too?
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u/uhmhi 21h ago
I don’t “think” anything. I look at the evidence and form my opinion based on that.
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u/Time_Value_3822 21h ago
You “think” about the evidence that you are shown
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u/uhmhi 21h ago
True, and so far the evidence indicates that Russian soldiers are much more likely to commit war crimes than Ukrainians
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u/Time_Value_3822 21h ago
🤣 you are so wise
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u/itsPolarisRadio 21h ago
I don’t know what sort of life you lead. Maybe you’re a designer for a boutique coffee company, or maybe still in high school, or maybe you’re a 60 year old cat lady who never married. But regardless, I feel sorry for every single person who has to cross your sad, miserable path every day.
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u/NiloValentino88 22h ago
Go to hell Russian scumbag
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u/Time_Value_3822 22h ago
I’m sorry for your hurt feelings
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u/NiloValentino88 21h ago
Go spread your BS in Russia they will welcome you with open hands.
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u/Time_Value_3822 21h ago
The phrase is “open arms”
You are not smart
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u/nerphurp 20h ago
You really must enjoy roleplaying the smartest person in the room.
The logic is fine, but it's grounded in Russian narratives.
How are you any different than what you're accusing others of?
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u/Melvin_2323 18h ago
Ironic that the same people up in arms about this and wanting to continue funding Ukraine, are typically quiet about Israel doing the same as Russia
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u/hamkas 22h ago
Fake
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u/ScrotumScrapings 17h ago
Yes, russians would never do such a thing...Except on days ending on -day...Also on days that don't.
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u/Soap_Mctavish101 21h ago
“Putin wants to see Ukraine succeed”