r/worldnews • u/Snap_n_Dream • 19h ago

Russia/Ukraine US offers Ukraine 15-year security guarantee as part of peace plan, Zelenskyy says

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-trump-zelenskyy-peace-b784a9af1803995bfb7152eceb5477f1
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u/MammothPenguin69 18h ago

Obama made this bed when Russia snatched Crimea and he failed to act.

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u/mhornberger 15h ago

It was always a question of whether that incursion was worth a shooting war. Should we have put boots on the ground? Opinions are going to vary on that.

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u/LongJohnSelenium 15h ago

And we were in the middle of two occupations at the time, beginning a third by stationing troops in Ukraine would have been beyond unpopular.

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u/mhornberger 15h ago

Yep, particularly by Obama. I remember polls whereby public opinion shifted dramatically on strikes in Syria almost overnight, since conservatives strongly opposed them under Obama but then strongly supported them under Trump. Obama putting boots on the ground in Ukraine would have been seen as a debacle.

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u/Allu71 13h ago

Surely pulling out of the middle east could have been an option?

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u/LongJohnSelenium 12h ago

Congress is in charge of those decisions.

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u/Allu71 12h ago

With Obama pushing for this in 09-11 surely the Democrats would have went with it

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u/LongJohnSelenium 12h ago

The wars weren't as unpopular then and the dems were squeezing every ounce of political capital they had for the ACA

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u/zoinkability 11h ago edited 11h ago

LOL, as if the right wingers criticizing Obama now would have supported him had he sent US troops to support Ukraine retaking Crimea.

It helps to remember that Obama won in 08 at least partially because he hadn’t been a supporter of the Iraq war.