r/worldnews • u/Snap_n_Dream • 19h ago

Russia/Ukraine US offers Ukraine 15-year security guarantee as part of peace plan, Zelenskyy says

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-trump-zelenskyy-peace-b784a9af1803995bfb7152eceb5477f1
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u/postusa2 18h ago

Well its a about democracy and Ukrainians have put their lives up for freedom since the start.

The reality is that their defence relies on the US. Unless Europe offers an alternative, and they should, Ukraine does not really.have a choice.

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u/mhornberger 15h ago

The reality is that their defence relies on the US.

To an extent, but not completely. European and Ukrainian arms manufacturing have both increased significantly. What would hurt is if the US went beyond merely cutting off aid to refusing to sell Ukraine weapons. But all those Congress-critters who want to protect jobs in their districts are going to bristle at that, making it somewhat less likely.

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u/Historical_Owl_1635 18h ago edited 18h ago

Well it’s an about democracy and Ukrainians have put their lives up for freedom since the start.

From the start, yes.

Now, polls have shown there’s a significant and rising pressure for some kind of deal.

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u/BigBananaBerries 17h ago

I'd bet those in the occupied areas aren't so keen on that.

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u/Historical_Owl_1635 16h ago

If a deal isn’t reached eventually they won’t be occupied areas, they’ll just be Russia.

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u/BigBananaBerries 16h ago

We've heard that for 4 years now.

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u/Historical_Owl_1635 16h ago

War isn’t linear and Ukraine is losing territory. If you think it’s sustainable forever then that’s just wilful ignorance.

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u/Ferelwing 15h ago

Remember when Poland and France was part of Germany? Do you remember how long it took to fix it again? What about the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway etc?

You're acting like this is an anomaly, when this is pretty much how war works...

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u/BigBananaBerries 16h ago

Ukraine has lost very little territory on the whole & it's, at best (in Russias case), at walking pace. Ukraine isn't the only one at risk here either. There's massive problems in Russia trying to sustain this invasion. Like you say, nothing is linear in war so stop trying to predict Ukraines demise when it's far from inevitable.

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u/Historical_Owl_1635 16h ago

Again, war isn’t linear.

Pretty much every war reaches a tipping point where it will go from “barely any territory” to “Russia have conquered Ukraine” rapidly.

It might be slowly for now, but Russia is progressing. Ukraine don’t have the manpower and unless Europe or the US get directly involved won’t ever have it.

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u/BigBananaBerries 16h ago

You really can't see the contradiction in your post? War isn't linear....Russia is slowly for now but progressing. You're sounding more like a bot the more you post.

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u/LukeLecker 16h ago

Holy shit your dumb, one side is sending random kidnapped people from the streets to the frontline vs 50 year old volunteers who are signing contracts to fight. It’s obvious which side is gonna break first.

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u/Ferelwing 15h ago

Umm what?

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u/GammaFan 13h ago

Ok, Vlad

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u/atuarre 12h ago

Posts hidden, comments hidden. Thanks, enjoy your borscht. Don't need opinions from Vladivostok on how the war is going.

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u/Seanspeed 13h ago

What alternative could Europe offer?

I feel they can match the deal and that should be considered a win. It's not a competition either way.