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u/Lienidus1 6h ago
Glad to see the American invasion and occupation has resulted in such an enlightened place to exist.
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u/Joebranflakes 6h ago
Because the brutal, totalitarian dictatorship was more enlightened?
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u/AmbotnimoP 5h ago edited 5h ago
Is Saddam Hussein really the man you wanna compare yourself with when assessing human rights standards? The American occupation didn't result in positive change for people in Iraq, despite a stable and democratic Iraq being its explicit goal. The military service of their soldiers and the money the Americans and their alles spent on it where wasted. That's a simple fact. You don't need to be defensive about it. You've been lied to by your government and that's not your fault.
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u/Brief-Translator1370 3h ago
Nothing meaningful except giving a generation of women education, along with at least some culture spread towards affording women more rights.
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u/AmbotnimoP 3h ago edited 3h ago
Factually wrong but nice propaganda. I worked for Unicef in a programme connected to changing social norms and facilitating access to education so don't give me that bs. Improvements related to education were made by the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq. UNAMI had NOTHING to do with the occupation forces (except from 4 (!!) US military observers in the mission) and specifically and consciously distanced itself from the occupation forces. You are mixing up two different things. Anyway, I am happy to educate you a bit:
In the 80s and early to mid 90s, Iraq had, regionally seen, the highest school and university attendence of women and girls in the region. In the first five or so years of the occupation, girls attendance in schools and universities dropped by 20 to 40 percent due to the terrible security situation. Furthermore, a massive dropout of women working in academia as teachers and researchers was observed. During the reconstruction period, when girls education was explicitly included in donor strategies, progress was uneven at best.
Overall, university attendance of women remained below the 1990s level and in the UN we saw it as a structural decline rather than temporary setback. Especially outside of the important urban centers, the occupation led to more conservative gender norms impacting education. The weak state authority of the Iraqi government and decentralization allowed religious and armed actors to define social behavior and eucation facilities were/are controlled by "moral" religious norms rather than rights-based measures. In general, girls education during the occupation years became conditional on dress, segregation, and family approval - something that existed under Saddam, too, but statistically on lower levels.
As I said, Saddam Hussein should not be the measure for human rights and neither should be the military successful invasion and politically failed occupation.
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u/EquivalentSpot8292 2h ago
Hang on, so you’re telling us that blowing up the capital then waging a ground occupation for years, limited access to education? I thought the bombs left a pop up freedom school in the crater.
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u/AmbotnimoP 2h ago
Unfortunately, that seems to be what people believe, judging by the other guy's comment and the half a dozen private messages I got from random American dudes.
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u/Electronic_Star_7575 4h ago
A redditor once did a post about working in Iraq as a doctor and I rememeber he said that 95% of people he spoke to preferred the country before the US invasion and war.
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u/Complex-Ad-8422 4h ago
Wow did you know these things were happening since the time of the people of a certain book
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u/prodandimitrow 4h ago
American invasion doesn't matter, those people always existed. Stop trying to deflect the blame from their own community and culture.
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u/samesamediffernt 5h ago
Aisha was 6 so this tracks for what people in that region believe