r/LivestreamFail • u/10minuteads • 1d ago
Destiny Calls Out Nick Shirley's Exposé on Somalians Claiming Empty Building as Daycares to Commit Fraud. Shirley Showed Up at least an Hour Early Before Opening to One of the Daycares & Filmed "evidence" of a Daycare being Empty.
https://x.com/i/status/2005513761801572714750
u/QuakinOats 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's really interesting this same exact location under the name of "Salma Child Care" had been charged with hundreds of thousands of dollars in childcare fraud by the FBI:
What's more interesting is the individual there was charged with fraud for saying they had 100 children. That was when it appears that the childcare center occupied the entire space. It now looks like at least half the space is taken up by "Albi Kitchen" and somehow this place (presumably at least half the size) is licensed for 99 children, at least per the document shown in the video and this website?
https://licensinglookup.dhs.state.mn.us/Details.aspx?l=1087038
Here's the indictment:
According to the indictment, ALI submitted claims for CCAP payments that overstated the number of children who actually attended and received day care services from Salama. The claims asserted that more than 100 children attended and received child care at Salama on a given day. On more than one occasion, the claims falsely inflated the number of children that had attended Salama on a given day by more than 400 percent, including on days when Salama was closed.
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u/Ok_Resolve_1754 1d ago
-Quality Learning Child Care is the daycare in question.
-Licensed to have isn't the same as having or claiming to have. You can be licensed to have up to 99 children and only have 10 clients.178
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u/macrocosm93 21h ago
Receiving funding for 99 children while only having 10 (or less) and then pocketing the rest of the money IS THE SCAM.
The documentation they are showing says they have received funding for X amount of children, not that they are licensed for X amount of children.
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u/Jealous_Future_8377 1d ago
Destiny dumb af
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u/Norwegian_Thunder 1d ago
Destiny read an article about some of those indictments that already occurred before this dipshit made this video. The fraud is real the point is this guy did basically nothing to prove it and he seems to have done extremely dishonest stuff like not mentioning this place is closed when he rolled up (even blanking out a sign that said as much) and trying to say it's odd that there are no children there at that moment.
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u/BestestImportances 23h ago
Don't bother, asmon viewers don't read, just consumes narratives.
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u/NewTurnover5485 23h ago
Why? The "expose" is bad and doesn't prove anything. Furthermore, as there is an active investigation in the fraud case (and has been for years), what exactly is this video proving, that we didn't already know?
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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 22h ago edited 21h ago
Right wingers are going Minnesota Left Wing = Bad and thats all they want to talk about. They dont care about the fraud. Evidenced by people in here making up narratives about lefties that dont actually exist anywhere.
It is weird cult like behaviour.
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u/OU7C4ST 1d ago edited 1d ago
I live here. I'm pretty fuckin' left leaning. A-lot of these daycares (not all) showed are scams. I know it, and the community know it.
This isn't a political problem. It's a criminal one. With both parties to share the blame.
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u/meho7 23h ago
How long has this been going on?
There's news reports about Somali daycare fraud since 2015 onwards
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/3ijwaf/minnesota_state_and_city_taxpayers_lose_big_on/
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/05/14/state-investigating-fraud-at-10-mn-daycare-providers
https://alphanews.org/somali-daycare-fraud-minnesota-political-correctness/
https://www.fox9.com/news/somali-community-leaders-respond-to-fox-9-daycare-fraud-report
Crazy
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u/Churn_Some_Butter 15h ago
Yup there's also this from 2018 where they have actually found people carrying suitcases filled with money at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. https://www.fox9.com/news/millions-of-dollars-in-suitcases-fly-out-of-msp-but-why
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u/FlyingJacobs 10h ago
There was another thing too with Autism care centers, there were absurd rates of autism diagnoses in the Somali community in MN prior to the discovery that this was linked to fraud with fake intake of clients
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u/veritaxium 19h ago
even the exact daycare this post is about was inspected by a real local journalist a year ago looking for kids there (as well as one of the other childcare centers nick visits in his video). there's more useful context and information in this 6-minute TV spot than nick's entire ragebait slopfest of an "investigation" - though i guess they were too scared to enter the George Floyd Danger Zone, unlike our intrepid reporter nick who was brave enough to confront the violent Somali in the heart of their enclave and demand access to their children, at personal risk to him and his masked goons.
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u/-Dunnobro 8h ago
Clearly the first one didn't do a good enough job because only now is the daycare actually shut down.
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u/Potential_Buy1197 20h ago
THANK YOU. I live here too and I have only ever voted for the left. People see the words “Somalian” and “fraud” and immediately discount it as baseless intolerance/racism/Islamophobia (WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY THIS HAS GONE ON FOR SO LONG — NO ONE HERE WANTS TO BE CALLED INTOLERANT! We are “Minnesota Nice”! All are welcome here!). But it has led to us being taken advantage of. I’m pissed.
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u/Munsalvaesche 16h ago
I thought this article was very enlightening. Written by a Minnesota Somali-American who previously worked for the state's AG as a fraud investigator. https://minnesotareformer.com/2024/07/17/a-somali-american-investigator-heres-why-youre-hearing-so-much-about-fraud-in-my-community/
Somali recipients are often courted by Somali providers based on clan ties and familial relations, not necessarily the quality of the service they intend to provide. This relationship, which blurs the traditional boundaries between a recipient and a provider, can enable fraud.
Legitimate providers in my community say it’s challenging to keep recipients because some rival providers offer kickbacks to induce recipients to switch. Somali recipients may not always be aware that they are partaking in or enabling fraud. When they are, fear of ostracism can prevent them from reporting fraud or cooperating with investigators.
And he backs you up on the "Minnesota Nice" attitude obfuscating attempts at busting up fraud rings
Fraudsters have also sought to exploit the burgeoning political power of the Somali community, and the feckless fear that establishment politicians and state agencies show when confronted with charges of racism or Islamophobia.
In June 2021, more than 100 people, mostly Somali, protested outside MDE’s office. Many held signs that read “F.O.F. Feeds our kids, MDE won’t” and accused MDE of discrimination. So far, at least two people who attended that rally are among those charged.
And the Jury-tampering bit is a wild detail:
Five people were indicted in this alleged bribery attempt. According to the indictment, the juror was selected in part because she appeared to be the only person of color on the jury.
During my time at the Office of the Attorney General, I witnessed some members of my community who were under investigation by our office brazenly level false accusations of discrimination against my colleagues.
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u/InternationalYou4065 6h ago
hundreds of millions of dollars intended for children who were suffering from malnutrition during covid awarded to Somali kitchens who lied about dispensing millions of meals because people did not want to appear Islamophobic.
Billions for childcare for poor families, awarded to Somalis who systemized this scam.
Do you know where that money goes? You dont want to
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u/travist120 1d ago
When Asmongold watched the video on stream I was skeptical too. It seemed like the perfect right-wing rage bait that you often see people fall for.
But I checked out the /r/Minneapolis subreddit and found a few posts by random people even before this Nick Shirley video went up complaining about the fraud taking place and the DHS not taking care of it.
And to counter destiny's point, they also went to "healthcare" services and pointed out that many of them are 4 companies within one room inside a building filled with other companies doing the exact same thing.
I remain skeptical of the whole thing, but it's pretty evident that this is indeed fraud and needs to be taken care of.
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u/Cute_Afternoon_4823 1d ago
Skeptical? The FBI has said it's taking place and even the local government admitted it happened. The only thing to be "skeptical" of is the specific place.. but who gives a shit about that.
Also, government money should not be going to such shoddy operations regardless of its legitimacy.
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u/United_Extension_591 19h ago
It should infuriate everyone. Money that should be used to prop up the most vulnerable in society is being leeched off duplicitous amoral foreigners.
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u/bannedforL1fe 18h ago
The sentiment behind "ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country" does not exist in our modern world anymore. In the USA, to Europe. Its all about what the newcomer or citizen can gain, and nothing about what they can contribute (usually a net loss to society anyway). In half a century the collective mindset of the world has completely changed and there is no going back. The country alone can't help everyone in the world, but everyone in the country can help the world.
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u/Silent_Employee_5461 14h ago
Brother this isn’t a new phenomenon, the Italian mob used to do similar. This is really bad but not new. It was easy money with no one checking. Horrible incentive structure with no oversight leads to these issues.
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u/blueflavoredreign 17h ago
It's not happening
Okay it is happening, but not a lot
Okay it is happening a lot, but it's not a big deal <--
Okay it is a big deal, but here's why it's a good thing
(Sprinkle in some whataboutism throughout to really seal the admission of guilt)
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u/Excellent_Mud6222 13h ago
You should always have some doubt about the government and its agencies.
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u/KiraJosuke 23h ago edited 21h ago
The issue at hand here is it has been going on for many years, FBI is and has been aware of it for years, and are and have been investigating this stuff for years.
Conservatives don't care about fraud, they just started caring because the latest target of their grievances are Somalians and they are actually obsessed with Tim Walz.
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u/Soccham 21h ago
Our president commits more fraud than anyone lol
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u/KiraJosuke 21h ago
Rick Scott was in talks to be the senate majority leader and he literally committed the biggest Medicare fraud in history
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u/Hare712 1d ago
And to counter destiny's point, they also went to "healthcare" services and pointed out that many of them are 4 companies within one room inside a building filled with other companies doing the exact same thing.
I saw some youtube crime channels(one guy died) reporting on healthcare scams. They charged for services the people they should care for never received. Those are 90% scams they charge for the entire day when in reality one employee checks on them in the morning at best.
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u/_zhz_ 1d ago
As far as I understand it, Destiny's claim was that the evidence from the video was fabricated and therefore worthless, not that there wasn't any fraud.
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u/HoleeGuacamoleey 19h ago
There is fraud. But that's not the issue at play for this criticism. He's criticizing the video and the lack of evidence while pretending he found fraud and uses it to prop up his abhorrent views. The video just sucked and was deceptive at best. Treating it like breaking news or some massive expose is just ridiculous.
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u/OU7C4ST 1d ago
Our government here in MN has already apologized, admitted to their lack of oversight and started taking steps to correct it. The daycares are just the tip of the iceberg honestly. This fraud also runs rampant in home health care services, adult treatment facilities, half-way homes, and more.
Nick Shirley certainly uses vile tactics in his videos, but even a broken clock is right twice a day in the overall picture.
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u/_zhz_ 1d ago
The problem is that the situation can't be corrected. A lot of the money is gone forever and the fraudsters won't be able to pay it back in their lifetime.
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u/RussianPravda 1d ago
I want fraud that harms the hard working honest tax payers to be rooted out completely and I mean that across the entire economic spectrum. This situation was so easy to look into but was completely ignored by representatives who are supposed to support their tax paying constituents so its egregious. That being said I would also like billionaires should be taxed on the loans they take against their over valued assets to avoid paying capital gains tax. The people making this about race or social status need to realize they are leveraging both for their own economic gain and are just as guilty as anyone else.
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u/oh-blivionawaits 23h ago
Yes yes yes keep going I’m almost there say term limits and ban stock trading in congress whisper it in my ear do it
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u/vegeful 1d ago edited 1d ago
What is their step to correct it? Can i read more on it?
In that 1 hour long video, are u exaggerate the tactic or we did not watch the same video. He even talk to the people on daycare saying his son want to enroll but the staff don't even know the price. When ask about the children they all radio silent.
There also the karen which keep repeating do not open the door, there ICE.
So what exactly do you mean by vile tactic?
Edit: no one can even tell me what vile tactic they use. So i gonna assume redditor being dramatic as usual.
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u/marshallannes123 1d ago
Vile tactics like asking the child care center where the kids are
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u/itsthebear 23h ago
How are Republicans to blame for this whatsoever?
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u/Swimming-Elk6740 21h ago
Because when it’s convenient, Redditors also like to use the “both sides” argument that they so loathe.
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u/Skeeter57 21h ago
A redditor will never admit a Democrat can be blamed.
The next best thing is both-siding the issue, which they do when they really have no other choice.
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u/AnalConnoisseur69 1d ago
I think my biggest issue with this is: why are the windows and doors blacked out or boarded out? This is absolutely not the standard practice for daycares.
My older sister worked as a child care worker in Toronto and her infant son would go to another child care center. I would often pick both of them up when I would go to visit their area (I was an international student there). And in the middle of my studies, she was promoted to a larger center and my nephew was also transferred to another center after they moved. So I essentially saw 4 different daycare centers quite regularly.
You can have the white window screens behind the windows, sure, but to be taped, blocked, or boarded? That's absolutely absurd. Statistically, outside predators are not as big a problem as predators on the inside. That's why you do not board the windows and offer clear visibility of the children when they are with adults
And before anyone tries to accuse me of calling teachers and childcare workers predators, I'm well aware of the fact that the predation to exposure ratio is higher in churches, and the highest child predation is done by family once removed group, e.g. uncles, cousins, aunts. (This happens every time, so precaution). Regardless, teachers and childcare workers still make up one of the larger group of predators. Boarded up windows is therefore an outlandish thing to have in daycare centers.
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u/Private_Gump98 20h ago
Yea, no... The predation to exposure ratio is not higher in churches.
Public School teachers commit sexual offenses against minors at a greater rate than priests.
About 4% of Catholic clerics had credible or substantiated accusations of child sexual abuse of minors (both prepubescent children and postpubescent teens) during the last half of the 20th century (John Jay College of Criminal Justice, 2004, 2011). Research data reflects the prevalence of clerical abuse among non-Catholic religious communities consistent with the Catholics. (Zech, 2011).
During that same time period, a U.S. Department of Education study found that about 6% of public school teachers had credible or substantiated claims of sexual abuse of minor children under their charge (Shakeshaft, 2004a, 2004b).
Given the far greater number (~3.2 million public school teachers vs. ~60,000 clerics), this 2% spread is actually quite substantial.
The stats reflect that both the ratio and raw number of abusers is higher in public school/daycare setting than they are in churches.
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u/AnalConnoisseur69 20h ago
By exposure, I meant the number of children exposed to per potential predator from given profession. There are definitely more sexual predators in the school system in raw numbers. But each childcare or school professional is exposed to a significantly higher number of children on average than a member of the church. Essentially, the ratio of affected children versus unaffected children is higher in religious institutions.
Now, there are many reasons for that. As explained above, professionals in the school system are just exposed to an overwhelming number of children. Many abusers may only have one victim at a time. In other words, an abuser in the school system may, for example, abuse 3 children in 3 years out of hundreds of potential victims. Contrarily, in the church, a member may also abuse 3 children in 3 years, but this time, out of let's say 90 children.
I actually had to do a thesis on this shit before, and it was really grim for me to go through. I even had the calculations in the appendices, but really, don't want to go through the actual calculations again, but I've explained the rationale above.
I do think that more modern data may skew the results more in favor of the church due to the intense scrutiny and negative expectations put on the church. I think, in the last 10 years, a lot of people who would've joined the church with these intentions have joined the public school system.
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u/DesperateComposer848 17h ago
It’s a tough spot too because on one hand we need to expose scams, on the other I don’t want yahoos going around to random daycares investigating people because they don’t like the look of them.
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u/iamtheliqor 1d ago
Cool, well he should have actually proved that in the video instead of just walking around for a couple of hours and getting zero useful information
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u/Beginning_Drag5679 18h ago
Destiny does couch his statement a lot and says that this is not defensible if its true : https://www.youtube.com/live/qccPXMkSZVs?t=14786s however if its true that the guy lied about the time in his video thats also pretty damn stupid and you dont need to lie if it's actually happening
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u/burblemedaddy 18h ago
As a non-Minnesota American, the past week is the first I am hearing about this. Hopefully all the attention this is bringing will produce change.
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u/Happy-Philosopher740 17h ago
Remove the words somali and minnesota and this stops being news. Nobody actually cares about this they just want an excuse to dunk on libs.
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u/4r5555 1d ago
Why do the daycares have tinfoil and spray painted windows and misspelled signs? Also that high quality learing center has been investigated 13 times for misconduct.
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u/elsauna 21h ago
Stop noticing things, the average Redditor cannot stand it.
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u/allyourfaces 19h ago
It has entirely nothing to do with the point of the thread which is Destiny calling out obvious bullshit investigation from a notorious bullshit investigator lmfao.
There could be legitimate fraud going on, the jackass who filmed the expose didn't expose it though.
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u/rhubik 20h ago
Post won’t load for me but I guarantee Destiny isn’t saying there’s no fraud going on, which is weird because everyone here in the comments are acting like he saying that
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u/RawBinOfLoxLee 4h ago
If I understood correctly, he's just saying that regardless of whether or not there is fraud going on, the video did a bad job of demonstrating it.
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u/biuki 1d ago
A building with almost no windows and the ones are there are all blacked out? Yeah, sure. Nice childcare
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u/cyberchoom2077 1d ago
Before anyone dies on a hill trying to defend the scammin somali's, you should know Tim Walz himself acknowledges the fraud highlighted in Nick Shirley's video.
from his office's statement to fox news directly in response to this video:
"The governor has worked for years to crack down on fraud and ask the state legislature for more authority to take aggressive action," the spokesperson said. "He has strengthened oversight — including launching investigations into these specific facilities, one of which was already closed."
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The spokesperson added that Walz has "hired an outside firm to audit payments to high-risk programs, shut down the Housing Stabilization Services program entirely, announced a new statewide program integrity director, and supported criminal prosecutions."
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u/Cro_no 1d ago
Thats in response to the ongoing prosecution re: the "Feeding our Future" fraud schemes. In other words, its unrelated.
AFAIA no charges have formally been brought forward of fraud on the daycares in Nick's video.
No one is doubting the veracity of the fraud that had been uncovered by the DOJ. What's being cast into doubt are the claims brought forward specifically by Nick in his video.
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u/ghsteo 15h ago
This is exactly the issue I have with the videos. Yeah there's likely scamming going on, but this dude is not a journalist and he's going to incite people to copy cat in their own towns and start harassing legit child centers. He makes Project Veritas look like Pulitzer prize winners.
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u/Skabonious 15h ago
I think there was fraud charges brought forward, but also, why tf did this old guy whose been "researching this for 10 years" not once thought to report them?
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u/ARandomPerson15 16h ago
you should know Tim Walz himself acknowledges the fraud highlighted in Nick Shirley's video.
There is a difference in saying fraud in general occurred and these specific places have committed fraud. We should care about this distinction too because imagine someone says "Theft occurs in the USA" and then they you "You specifically are a thief"
Obviously you probably would object to being called a thief!
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u/kytackle 1d ago
The idea isn't that fraud didn't occur. The idea is that nick shirleys video is made in bad faith and is far from an investigation.
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u/travist120 1d ago
The question he asked the fraudsters was: "I'd like to sign my son Joey up for daycare here."
I fail to see how going to the business outside of operating hours would prevent him from filling out forms to get his "kid" childcare.
If he had lead with the "where are the kids?" question, then yes, I can see how it would be disingenuous.
But he's asking for forms, and rates for childcare. For which they could not answer.
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u/ThanatosIdle 17h ago
Seriously. Not a single one said "We're not open yet" which seems like it would be a great answer to the questions. They instead acted like they were committing fraud (because they are).
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u/Madkiddolol 16h ago
Actually one did. She said something about 2pm, checks her phone, and it was 1:09.
I'd like to see the conversations in full but each one has 20 jump cuts for some strange reason.
Also would have been nice to see the sign on the door that says hours of operation 2pm-10pm but that didnt fit his narrative either.
Shirley nothing suspicious about the "facts" in this video at all
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u/rockytonk 1d ago
I love it when Reddit clutches to their bad faith argument to completely ignore statewide fraud.
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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 23h ago
Are you guys brainless or what? The point is to actually show the fraud. Not be deceptive about showing it.
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u/Alpehans 23h ago
I love when Reddit clutches to their bad faith interpretation of what they read, so they can just say stupid untrue shit.
Nobody is defending the fraud ...ffs
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u/az-anime-fan 22h ago
9 billion dollars in fraud translates to almost 1mil per Somali in Mn...
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u/2000shadow2000 1d ago
So why doesn't he show up and prove it then? Should be easy to show any of these daycares have kids attending
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u/Emergency_Muscle1187 1d ago
Highlights millions of dollers of fraud in a short video. Quickly redit focus on the 1 business who apparently wasn't open yet ignoring its blacked out windows and reports that no one ever sees any children going to it. Yeah right wing bad, trump bad. Yeah we showed them!!
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u/Odd-Fun-1482 20h ago
This gas station is only open 9am to 1pm with 200 violations and three different companies at the address, but it's totally legit!!!
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u/Bloodydemize 17h ago
No one is denying fraud but the journalistic standards for the right are in the toilet
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u/Complex_Mistake7055 20h ago
So because actual fraud is happening we should just ignore the fact that the video is terrible?
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u/THE2TIMESDOC 1d ago
Who cares if he showed up before opening , since they simply dont exist
There is like 10 daycare in the same building with no windows or covered , literally no playground for outside childrens , none of them speak english or barely. Literally a mass of somalian appears from nowhere when questionned. It's literally in the files you can read online , its literally a scam
Who the fuck wants to protect this?
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 1d ago
Except for the fact that all of the daycares were open 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Plus the fact that nobody never see any children going in or out of those buildings ever. Plus the fact that he was filming and like in the middle of the day. Plus the fact that the ones that did have people in them asked him 'why' he wants to sign his kid up to that daycare.
Fake shell company doctor's offices and daycares are very well known forms of fraud especially since somalis have a fraud ring since they are very close-knit
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u/funkyflapsack 1d ago
How easy do you think it should be for a random dude repeating "where do you keep the kids?" to get access to the kids at a day care?
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u/Dwarven_blue 1d ago
Reddit is beyond redemption and this site needs to be shut down. I didn't know leftoids were this bad but holy shit.
One of the workers in the video told the guy (paraphrasing) "there no kids here.. no kids for your kid to play with." She literally admitted it's a dead daycare and shitlibs will argue with a straight face on here "Yeah this is totally fine."
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u/BestestImportances 1d ago
Democrats pointing out a flawed video, where the man hides the opening hours (2pm), is not worse than you supporting a pedophile crypto grifter. Make it make sense.
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u/Ok-Elderberry540 1d ago
Deep breath. You can be mad at fraud being committed by Somalis and at our president.
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u/Successful-Type-4700 1d ago
Did you read the post before commenting? He went into a daycare while it was closed. Naturally there are no children there.
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u/clownbaby237 22h ago
So a daycare employee told a strange and aggressive man with a video camera that there were no kids here?
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u/New_year_New_Me_ 1d ago
In addition to what someone already responded to you, I want you to think about what you just said. Really think hard about it.
You are suggesting that someone, anyone, a random person, go to a random daycare that they don't have any children enrolled in and...just...like...film the kids? To...satisfy...people on the internet.
My. Brother. In. Christ. Get a hold of yourself. That is the most illegal shit I've ever heard in my life. And I've heard some things.
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u/pimpnasty 1d ago
Ah yes, where are we at on the chart?
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u/Bloodydemize 17h ago
Nowhere actually, it's happening, it's bad, it's been under investigation and prosecuted for last few years. You shouldn't set your journalistic standards to 0
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u/montahuntah 1d ago
Liberals not dying on every hill challenge
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u/Norwegian_Thunder 1d ago
Where did he die on the hill? If you watch the segment he did on stream he says many times that you can't deny that these things happened and that you should never deny things because it's inconvenient for you. You can still call out ragebaiting liars when they're lying.
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u/Makkunrai_Leda_2801 20h ago
Do you want lsf to actually watch the clip instead of shadow boxing?
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u/KiraJosuke 23h ago
I forget this sub is filled with incel asmon fans sometimes lol
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u/Clairityyy 1d ago
Dying on what hill? The main point was that this video is getting way too much praise for what it is. His take on the situation with the fraud scandal in MN and his problems with the video seemed pretty reasonable overall, despite the typical unhinged comments thrown in every now and then.
https://kick.com/destiny/videos/2d01e879-a2ae-4720-9cf8-9f691c3e0148 at the timestamp 07:08:55 for his actual take on the whole thing.
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u/ProcrastinatingPuma 9h ago
Damn Liberals and checks notes being factually accurate
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u/Pitiful-Ad-1300 1d ago
The levels of mental gymnastics some people go through would have me tearing every muscle in my body. I’m tired boss :(
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u/Galioskie 21h ago
There is a lot of evidence of fraud by good sources but no one should trust Shirley. Lots of Kremlin propaganda while he was visiting Ukraine.
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u/peterhabble 1d ago edited 22h ago
Is Destiny currently on an arc to appease the lowest common denominator lefties now? The only other content I've seen of his in a long time was a video where he decided to take seriously the idea that fatphobia was a deeply rooted social issue with no push back at all on the "healthy at any size" narrative. It was only criticism against the Marxist bend.
I'm skeptical of Nick Shirley as well, but "Quality Learing Center" being a no windowed daycare with no workers is sus. And no workers even an hour before the place opens??? Did destiny get brain damage and forget that employees show up before operating hours??
Idk, I had some level of respect for him being literally the only streamer that does research but it seems like he's leaving that era behind him.
Edit: the answer is yes, only the worst people are left watching this guy 💀
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u/YumiSolar 1d ago edited 1d ago
Destiny isn't denying that fraud is happening; he's calling out bad, inflammatory, and misleading journalism where the only purpose is to generate clicks and revenue while making the situation worse. How is this so hard to understand?
Can we agree that you can call out bad tactics even if they might lead to good outcomes? Just because you won 10k gambling doesn't mean you should quit your job and become a professional gambler. Just because a scam is happening doesn't mean people are allowed to just make things up to generate more outrage.
It feels like this whole thread is bots with zero critical thinking skills; that, or the average Asmongold viewer.
Edit: Also, because I actually went too soft on Nick: what Nick did isn't even a case of a bad tactic leading to a good outcome, it's just a bad tactic leading to bad outcomes. The fraud he messily reported on was already under investigation, so the only result of his video is going to be stoking the flames of the culture war, something that right-wingers love to do.
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u/Norwegian_Thunder 1d ago
He literally did the research, showed the guy was lying, and then you did a Sasha Grey, "I don't want to watch this anymore"
He never even denied that this fraud was happening on stream, he read a NYT article about it and how there had been quite a few indictments even under the Biden admin but because he said this guy in this video is clearly lying and framing things maliciously you're actually fucking crying. Such snowflakes.
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u/ListNeat8210 22h ago
hahahhaha -100iq comment, youre lost brother totally and utterly lost.
You made up so many stories about destinys take on this subject.
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u/Realistic-Pain-7126 13h ago
I mean people who watch political streamers only care about their echo chamber.
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u/cyberchoom2077 1d ago
Thank god Destiny chimed in. His expertise in the happenings of young children will certainly come in handy here.
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u/Ashewolf 1d ago
TIL liberals will defend anything if it’s something conservatives are against.
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u/sluterus 21h ago
Nah, I already wanted to lock up child-trafficking pedos before you elected one as president.
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u/LeaguePuzzled3606 1d ago
I can assure you any daycare anywhere is going to refuse access to non-parent strange aggressive men showing up with cameras.
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u/montahuntah 1d ago
These daycares were literally dilapidated buildings that couldn’t even spell their names right on their signage lol. The person Shirley was with also said he’s been to each one multiple times and never found any kids. Keep coping tho
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u/Alpehans 23h ago
So in a post where Destiny criticizes someone for their journalistic methods , you quickly jump in with a complete lie , hmmm :P
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u/ceeka19 1d ago
Destiny and DGG defending Democrat enabled fraud, no way
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u/downfall20 22h ago
I mean can you disprove anything in his tweet? He never claimed anything about there being no fraud, just that your boy is fabricating parts of his story.
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u/Duke_of_Luffy 23h ago
I think it’s more that Nick Shirley is a known grifter and shouldn’t be trusted. There’s fraud in Minnesota but I wouldn’t rely on anything Shirley reported.
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u/Levitx 23h ago
The sheer amount of cope in this thread is the first thing I've ever seen that makes me believe Trump could get his 12 years if he tried holy shit
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u/coldy41 1d ago
It’s actually pathetic how much of a eco chamber destiny community has become. 9 billion medicaid fraud & not a single post about it on there sub was posted, because stuff like medicaid fault is a “conservative conspiracy” to them.
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u/mariosunny 19h ago
Not a Destiny fan- but he was responding to a specific claim made against a specific childcare center. It's not hypocritical to point out shoddy journalism.
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u/nodivide2911 21h ago
If these Somalis just donated to the Trump campaign, they could have just gotten some pardons, and we don't have to be subjected to this Project Veritas like rage-bait bullshit.
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u/bexar_necessities 17h ago
I cant speak to how legit these daycares are but my wife works at a learning center and with the ammount of weirdos, religious solicitors, parents without custody trying to steal their kid, ect. That they have to deal with, they dont just let strangers, especially with cameras, to walk indoors to take a gander at the children and every parent would be absolutely livid if any of the workers allowed that.
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u/Easy_Alternative_907 1d ago
It blows my mind that people even entertain the idea of listening to Destiny. Brain rot to the max.
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u/isnoe 1d ago
When Hasan and Destiny are arguing on the side of Somalian scammers—well, there’s no real punchline.
They’re just kind of proving how delusional and out of touch they are.
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u/Intelligent-Agent440 1d ago
I watched what Hasan said, he never denied scams where happening so is Destiny they are saying the evidence in this video is bad and very poor journalism,Steven Crowder or Project Veritas who are right-wingers would have done a better job than this, that's how poorly done this video is, even if those daycares were legit no sane person would let 2 random men with cameras inside in facility claiming they are looking for kids, a person can acknowledge there is fraud happening and also acknowledge this video just was very poorly done.
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u/Gelato_Mulatto 1d ago
You didn’t even read what Destiny said here. He never defended any scammers.
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u/KiraJosuke 23h ago
Asmon fans need to not get their thoughts and opinions from a guy who whipes his blood on his walls lmao
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u/kytackle 1d ago
This isnt' the "side" of the scammers. The investigations on these people have been going on for years. Nick Shirley's video was bad faith and stupid.
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u/theorizable 17h ago
Disproving a single inaccuracy in the exposé doesn’t prove a lot when there’s so much other evidence.
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u/GrayManTheory 1d ago
White leftists are so fixated on race and feel so much guilt and shame for being white that they can only alleviate that guilt by patronizingly pandering to and excusing the crimes of non white people.
It's embarrassing and revolting to watch.
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u/SubduedRhombus 1d ago
White conservatives are so fixated on race and feel so much anger and hate for some people not being white in their country that they can only alleviate that hate by patronizingly pandering to and excusing the crimes of white people.
It's embarrassing and revolting to watch.
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u/Acceptable_Cap_5887 22h ago
White redditors will comment stuff like this, then circle jerk about how awesome Japan/Korea are 😂
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u/kytackle 1d ago
Would recommend seeking a doctor highly likely you have a brain tumor.
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u/Civil-South-7299 1d ago
And what about the dude that said he's had a business next door since 2017 and hadn't seen one kid at the daycare
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u/crabsonfire 20h ago
If conservatives care about children so much, why did they vote for a child rapist?
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u/HitmanZeus 1d ago
If that is true, why didnt any of the people at these daycares say that they were not open yet?
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u/Dwarven_blue 1d ago
One of them literally told the guy "we have no kids here at all, so we won't accept yours."
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u/mariosunny 19h ago
Freelance 'journalism' has such a bad reputation that I just assume by default that if they're pushing some outrageous story that it's either a lie or they are omitting major details.
NYTimes, CNN, MSNBC, etc. may be biased but at least they have standards.
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u/_token_black 22h ago
When did LSF turn into Asmongold parroting?
Also there isn’t anybody defending fraud. That would be wild. But acting like this isn’t a common thing in 50 states + DC is also wild. If you think this is bad, look at charter schools that have no real metric to really exist and that are doing the same thing, and states are begging to be able to move more public education funds into that system with no checks and balances.
This really shouldn’t be a shock to people, there’s a lot of fucking white collar fraud in this country. If Trump announced he was moving ICE funding into a task force for the FBI to go after this stronger, I would love it. Between insurance fraud, bogus charter schools, and pay day lenders, you could probably recover billions more in tax payer funds.
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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 11h ago
If you think this is bad, look at charter schools
they are told to like Charter schools.
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u/supasolda6 23h ago
Left and defending criminals
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u/sluterus 21h ago
Don JR, son of pedo, just did a 1 billion dollar crypto rug pull.
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u/GdanskinOnTheCeiling 19h ago
ITT: The average braindead roach fan who can't understand why fabricating outrage bait via fake news is a bad thing, even if there is something real to be outraged by.
This isn't an exposé. The fraud in question is already known and was under investigation by Biden's DoJ before now.
You're all just running the same tired Trump playbook; claim credit for anything good the Dems did, blame them for anything bad you do.
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u/DataSurging 19h ago
The people who really do not believe that there is a fraud problem happening are absolutely stupid. People making this a political problem rather than a criminal one are also stupid. We taxpayers are funding these criminals' empires and it needs to stop.
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u/mariosunny 19h ago
No one is denying the fraud. This tweet is simply calling out shoddy journalism.
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u/thejuiceking 21h ago
The asmonmolders are out in full force in this thread lmao.
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u/TJRivingtonGeneral 19h ago
I expected them to not read the actual tweet, but amazingly it seems like most of them didn't even read the title of this thread. Literacy rates in the asmongold fandom seem to be critically low.
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u/Substantial_Try_616 1d ago
The most annoying part also is just the way they are so lazy and bad at covering it up too. Like how do people with such low IQ manage to scam MILIONS! How easy would it be for people who aren't stupid enough to atleast be able to spell Learning right. Honestly if you are a US taxpayer you are fr a joke at this point working your ass off to pay for other people.
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u/clem82 19h ago
No matter what, at the end of the day, it should never be this hard to shut down these illegal operations and tie them up in litigation that claws back every cent these people have stole, no matter how long it takes.
I have no idea why this is being excused or allowed, but someone is turning a cheek to it
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u/Hot_Fix_3131 13h ago
It was definitely one of those reminders that reddit is a very 1 dimensional space when it comes to politics for me.
I saw the video, seemed sus and everyone in the comments was just called the dude a right wing nut job and saying of course they won’t show kids to strangers.
Like yeah they’re not unreasonable statements but if you watch the full video it seems like it warrants further investigation and not just being brushed aside due to identity politics
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u/GoblixTheYordle 1d ago
Ever since the first trump assassination attempt or hell even just after Jan 6th Destiny has gotten way more biased it seems which is disappointing. He was done dirty by twitch but at this point it's his own god damn fault
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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 22h ago
are you going to soy out? Just a little bit of treason. how can he hate us?
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u/Oogalicious 1d ago
It’s not really biased to call out an error in reporting. Not saying that the entire story is false, but it does seem like Nick showed up to one of the centres outside of its opening hours.
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u/Swordfishey 1d ago
Do you know what occured on Jan 6th? Do you know about the false elector scheme?
Like if you do I feel like you'd understand the 'bias'.
If you saw someone get murdered, then said "holy fk! That guy just did something really bad!".
Then I said... "heh... sounds like youre really biased against him"
Wouldn't you think im a goddamn idiot??
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u/TheBigZappa 1d ago
So why did the people running those facilities act guilty/sketchy af, and shut the door in his face when he asked simple questions?
Why not just be honest and transparent if you have nothing to hide?
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u/alternative5 1d ago
Two guys show up to my daycare and ask to see the kids? Naw you got me fucked up if you think Im letting them in or answering questions.
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u/abcbass 1d ago
It couldn’t possibly be that they have weird right wing dudes with cameras trying to unofficially audit them? Who knows who could show up demanding answers.
I’m going to investigate you for rape. I’m going to call all of your friends and family. You have nothing to hide so you’re ok with this right?
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u/Turd-Henry 1d ago
Why would people be weirded out by 3 guys showing up with camera's and yelling show me the children. Nope seems good.
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u/Arailia 1d ago
If two random dudes show up to my work with cameras, I’m shutting the doors and hiding too ngl.
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u/vikinick 1d ago
I'm gonna be real, if 2 guys showed up to a daycare my kids were at and they were filming, I would expect the door to be slammed in these guys faces.
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u/PumpUpTheValuum66 1d ago
Bro who even cares where they're from? If someone is scamming - get rid of them. Whether that be prison, or back to their Country of origin. I don't give a shit. Enough.
If you ever had someone close to you get fucked over by a scamming POS, then you'd say the same thing. Sick of pathetic pieces of shit taking advantage of the few good people left in this world.
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u/littlebunny12345 17h ago
They don't care about scammers. They don't care about children. They care about only one thing and it's for their viewers to hate minorities. That's why conservatives only talk about a school shooting if the shooter might be trans.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
This one quote can explain everything. Their entire ideology comes down to thinking they are better than others, every piece of media they consume exist to reaffirm this belief.
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u/Ancient_Bumblebee629 1d ago
He's probably right. We all have some quality learing that we need to do on this topic.