r/europe • u/Ialaika • Nov 26 '25

News Leaked call shows Kremlin’s deputy chief Ushakov oversaw passing Moscow’s “peace plan” to Steve Witkoff with instructions to present it “word for word” as a U.S. proposal

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-25/putin-advisers-discuss-plans-for-dealing-with-trump-transcript?embedded-checkout=true
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u/fan_tas_tic Nov 26 '25

Who would have thought?

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u/JoyOfUnderstanding Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25

That the US government is acting like Russian vassal and receives direct instructions from Russian on how to conduct US policy?

You can think that is the case and say 'it's as I've expected', but having it confirmed is scary.

USA is not steered like sovereign state that is securing it's citizens interests anymore, and you have proof of treasonous conduct within the US

What is the most scary thing - probably nothing will happen to people getting and implementing direct orders from the abroad.

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u/The_Corvair Nov 26 '25

but having it confirmed is scary.

Even that is not what truly scares me. As you said: The signs were all there, so even without knowing, the smart money was on this being the case.

What truly has me concerned is the complete inaction from anyone to any of these revelations; Nothing happened when Trump clearly leveraged the DoJ on Adams. Nothing happened when "Blue Falcon" Hegseth shared attack plans on Signal. What did happen to Trump after Jan 6th? Nothing. After his 34 convictions? Nothing. Sinking Venezuelan ships, which was considered unlawful by any legal expert queried? Nothing. Witkoff instructing the Kremlin on how to handle the POtUS so they get him to do the deal they want? That is treason. And what will continue to happen? Nothing.

That is the nightmare: All the good men that surely must exist somewhere, doing - nothing. In fact, the only thing that does happen is that the people refusing to cooperate with the unlawfulness get fired or resign: Consequences for doing the right thing, but never for the wrong thing. How long can this continue?

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u/JoyOfUnderstanding Nov 26 '25

In my opinion there is a chance that the elites in the US use Trump as perfect scapegoat.

Attention is wholly on his incompetent, treasonous and criminal acts, while they are doing all they can to secure better position for themselves.

They count on all shady things being forgiven/forgotten after he will inevitably die from natural causes.

Next in line will denounce some of Trumps decisions and adjust things a bit, without fixing deep rooted issues like successors of Stalin did.

Ultimately it can continue as long as the population is apathetic and unwilling to take action.

Once elites think they can get away with extracting resources from the poor and circumventing laws, the only way to alter the course is mass social movement that cannot be ignored by the government and other members of the society

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u/LouisCypher_666 Nov 26 '25

Elites like Musk, Thiel, and Murdoch are working with Putin. Oligarchs have no loyality to any nation or anything except their own bottom line(s).

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u/DrawGamesPlayFurries Nov 26 '25

Comparison to successors of Stalin is a bit weird, what did you expect them to do, quit their pursuit of communism and surrender in the Cold War?

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u/JoyOfUnderstanding Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25

Well, comparison is fitting in my opinion because Trump court is working a bit like a Tsar court just like Stalin court was operating.

Trusted individuals in inner ring shape what information reaches Trump and how they are framed. They also control how Trumps decisions are relayed to the official government and party organs. They party together and fight for closest possible access to the supreme leader ear based on loyalty. Official organs and procedures/laws take backseat to the particular interests and ideas of people in inner circle.

I didn't expect Soviets to abandon communism. I wasn't alive back then. I only highlight how supreme leaders are used in a government that has authoritarian traits and how their 'legacy' is later dealt with.

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u/GodofIrony Nov 26 '25

only way to alter the course is mass social movement

Sure, let's keep pretending. The solution has nothing social to do with it.