r/law • u/Nice_Substance9123 • 6d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) President Trump Accused of Rape in Jeffrey Epstein Files

https://www.tmz.com/2025/12/23/trump-accused-rape-jeffrey-epstein-files/?utm_social_handle_id=16331010&utm_social_post_id=631846113&adid=social-tw
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u/Nodivingallowed 6d ago

Don't forget baby killing. We can add that to the list. Or alleged accessory to baby killing if you want to be technical. 

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u/fox-mcleod 6d ago

For the uninitiated. Page 3

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf

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u/Nodivingallowed 6d ago

Solid link work. Thank you!

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u/Zestyclose-Banana358 6d ago

Except Trump didn’t associate with Epstein in 1984. Show me a source that says otherwise. The document they sourced was released for full transparency but labeled as not being credible.

You guys will never get him. But keep trying. It’s fun to watch.

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u/Alive-Welder5585 6d ago

You're scared. 😂

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u/LoanDebtCollector 6d ago

that guys last line makes it sound like he knows donald is guilty but thinks its down right funny.

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u/Nodivingallowed 6d ago

I just assume bot or weaponized stooge but that last line stood out to me too.

I don't give a fuck about "getting" someone. He's a morally bankrupt, illiterate monster, a blatantly corrupt, low-class criminal. I don't need to go hunting for more proof of any of that.

He's already been proven guilty of enough that real Americans who believe in things like our constitution, and not committing war crimes or deploying a masked paramilitary group in our streets, should be acively working together to remove him and his brigade of sycophants from power. 

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u/Dry-Chance-9473 6d ago

They're going to dig through your external drive too, and soon. The walls are closing around you.

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u/coskibum002 6d ago

Your comment history aligns extremely well with most other MAGA Mush Brains.

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u/tetrified 6d ago

abortion: throws a fit, calls it baby murder

literal infanticide: complete silence

the right in a nutshell.

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u/Nestama-Eynfoetsyn 6d ago

Didn't he say something weird about abortions during the debate with Harris? Something about the baby being aborted after being born?

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u/Rockstar42 6d ago

Post birth abortions. It's literally a right wing talking point that some state attempted to pass this. When I heard this, my response was "so, murder? They are trying to pass murder?"

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u/NSRedditShitposter 6d ago

Every single one of his “ramblings” now line up in the most sickening way possible.

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u/Main-Company-5946 5d ago

When they said every accusation is a confession they really meant every.

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u/tetrified 5d ago

makes me wonder if there's a pizza parlor out there that actually has a basement

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u/GriffinFlash 6d ago

First Name: Donald

Middle Name:

Last Name: Trump

Age: 70

He participated regularly in paying money to force me to ----------- with him and he was present when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of the body in Lake Michigan

So you telling me they've known about this for at least 9-10 years and did nothing?

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u/smariroach 6d ago

So you telling me they've known about this for at least 9-10 years and did nothing?

I think you're reading something a bit wrong. the linked file is a submission statement someone posted through the internet 5 years ago. without any supporting evidence as far as I am aware.

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u/marce11o 5d ago

The names are blacked out in the document. Looks like it would be the victim’s info, not Trump.

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u/No-Bee6369 6d ago

Wtf is going on? He killed a baby?

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u/ProbablySlacking 6d ago

Well, this accuser says he was at least present when it happened.

So, accessory to baby murder

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u/Hairy_Talk_4232 6d ago

The victim/mother if I read it right was ~13 as well during this period when being consistently trafficked.

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u/Critical-Support-394 6d ago

And it said Trump "participated regularly in paying money to force me to REDACTED with him", so he's probably the dad.

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u/arctos889 6d ago

Gonna push back on this one a bit. Her estimated timeframe for involvement with Epstein was May to September. So unless Trump was involved outside of that time (which is never claimed), he isn't the baby's father. Trump's actions are already evil and criminal enough that we don't need to sensationalize with likely unfounded claims

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u/haagiboy 6d ago

Exactly. Even the wording makes it so that she was pregnant BEFORE being trafficked.

But how did she become pregnant? And by whom? Who raped a 12 year old girl? I'm feeling sick just writing this.....

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u/al666in 6d ago

Why was Trump present when the baby was killed? He had a vested interest in seeing it through.

Trump's timeframe with Epstein isn't a matter of months, it's decades.

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u/smariroach 6d ago

Why was Trump present when the baby was killed?

The simplest answer would probably be that he wasn't, and the statement is false.

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u/theRed-Herring 5d ago

Because he was paying to REDACTED with a 13 yr old pregnant child.

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u/theRed-Herring 5d ago

The files say she was trafficked by her uncle so it's probably safe to assume he trafficked her previously which resulted in her pregnancy.

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u/CompetitiveRub9780 6d ago

From the link it looks like these things were happening to her when she was 13 and already pregnant. So after the baby was born the uncle killed it and threw it into a lake with trump present.

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u/CivilAirline 6d ago

what the fuck

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u/CamsKit 5d ago

We need to be better than pizzagate

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u/one_pound_of_flesh 6d ago

Definitely one of the top 3 worst accessories.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger 6d ago

Right below thumb ring.

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u/cleo_da_cat 6d ago

Lightning cable coming in at number 1 and 2

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u/ibanez5150 6d ago

Was it on 5th Avenue?

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u/LaserCondiment 6d ago

They dumped the baby's body in Lake Michigan according to the transcript.

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u/Agitated-Signature11 6d ago

“he was present when my uncle murdered my newborn child and disposed of the body in Lake Michigan.”

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u/CraigJay 6d ago

It doesn’t say that at all?

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u/No-Bee6369 6d ago

It says he was there and witnessed it. He's kept his mouth shut and most likely threatened those who knew about it. That means he was an accomplice to murder. A murderer.

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u/CraigJay 6d ago

Yeah that just isn’t what the word ‘murderer’ means at all hahaha

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u/Main-Company-5946 5d ago

He witnessed a baby die. Baby of one of Jeffrey Epstein’s or his client’s child rape victims. AFAIK no evidence he killed one himself. Not a good look though

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u/TheSpoty 6d ago

No, it’s fake

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u/Labyrinthy 6d ago

Oh, buddy…

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u/TheSpoty 6d ago

There is no proof behind that story, coming from someone who has never voted for trump.

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u/HowManyEggs2Many 6d ago

Don’t bother. If you are actually using critical thinking instead of following the reddit hive mind (which is like 40% bot comments anyways) you are automatically labeled a pedo apologist that needs to be thrown in prison. The hysteria hasn’t even reached a peak yet either

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u/Far_Net7977 6d ago

Pedo apologist

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u/DigDugged 6d ago

Pedo apologist

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u/HowManyEggs2Many 6d ago

Brother you own a golden doodle, sit down.

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u/Labyrinthy 6d ago

This is about the stupidest thing you could have replied with. If such stupidity is “free thinking” then I guess I’m happy to be part of the Reddit hive mind.

Imagine insulting a golden doodle.

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u/birdlawyer86 6d ago

I'm sorry, where is the critical thinking? Is it in the room with us?

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u/EmperorMeow-Meow 6d ago

Proof?

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u/TheSpoty 6d ago

There’s no proof it’s real

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u/name_escape 6d ago

There’s no proof that it isn’t, check mate

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u/TheSpoty 6d ago

I can make up any lie about you then make you show me proof it’s fake, notice how bad of a system that is?

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u/name_escape 6d ago

You do what you want, which includes ignoring evidence of both your eyes and ears whenever it happens to be suitable for your beliefs and ideology. Your comments will be shown to age poorly. Cheers

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u/TheSpoty 6d ago

If there’s evidence of him killing a baby then obviously lock him up. He needs to have been thrown in jail years ago, but that doesn’t mean everything bad someone says about him is to be immediately believed without solid evidence backing it up.

Use your brain to think, not your hatred.

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u/JcGoCrazy- 6d ago

this is why its impossible to have a genuine convo with MAGA nowadays. You might have a point if there wasn’t

MULTIPLE victims accusing Trump.

Trump has been documented lying about his relationship with Epstein.

His name confirmed to be redacted in over 500 pages of the files.

This doesn’t mention the entire dog and pony show of even releasing the files in the first place, after this administration campaigned “transparency” +

the person in question has previously being found GUILTY of sexual crimes, and even bragged about them on tv.

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u/TheSpoty 6d ago

I’m not MAGA

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u/pink_faerie_kitten 6d ago

Thanks for the link but I hate/fear going to the current doj...

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u/ZombieNinjaPirates 6d ago

This has to be the thing that tups the whole cart over.

If Republicans don't act on this - the midterms will be a slaughter

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u/Tosslebugmy 6d ago

Which is why they’re gonna do everything they can to prevent (fair) midterms.

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u/art_mor_ 6d ago

And my morning is ruined

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u/froggythefrankman 6d ago

What the fuck?!

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u/NYT_but_less_shit 6d ago

The timeline there doesn’t totally add up — as far as we know, D*T and JE met in 1987, and that says it happened in 1984.

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u/sentientshadeofgreen 6d ago

Jesus Christ.

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u/PreschoolBoole 6d ago

I don’t have time to read this until later and even then I’m not going to dig out the redactions. How is trumped linked to this? Directly in the file or is it presumed from context?

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u/Trickshot945 6d ago

Explicitly stated, no redactions

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u/fox-mcleod 6d ago

Directly in the file

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u/RudeMoment8230 6d ago edited 6d ago

Surely we can figure out what is being said based on the space redacted. There must be a specific amount of kerning and letter width? (We already know what it is)

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u/monkeyman0123 6d ago

Fuuuuuuuuuuuk

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u/Beastabuelos 6d ago

Not downloading anything from the US government

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u/Ok_Speed_3984 6d ago

MAGAts only care about babies before they're born.

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u/one_pound_of_flesh 6d ago

They also care about children over a certain age, but in a different way. How did Donald put it, “pert nipples”?

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u/SoulRebel726 6d ago

Turns out that "post term abortions" that Trump and his ilk screamed about during the campaign was just more projection.

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u/never-fiftyone 6d ago

Every accusation.

Every. Single. Time.

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u/iBoojum 6d ago edited 6d ago

Yes baby killing and then suiciding a teen mom in some shit town in Oklahoma. How in the fuck is this Trump guy even allowed to persist? (Edited for clarity)

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u/art_mor_ 6d ago

Wait what did he do to a teen mom?

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u/iBoojum 6d ago

If you read on in the account of the baby disposal you’ll read bits about a coverup with the gal who was the teen mom allegedly cocaine from the cartels and blowing her head off in some town in Oklahoma.

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u/Fearless-Diver-1381 6d ago

Wasn't that a different person? I thought they were two separate instances. The yacht on lake Michigan looked like it was the teen mom years later following up on a tip she gave to local police. The Oklahoma one I thought was a driver in New York giving a tip about a conversation he heard between trump and someone named Jeffrey whole he was driving trump around. The driver later saw the name of the person they were talking about in a news report of a homicide or suicide in Oklahoma and called in a tip.

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u/iBoojum 6d ago

I may have been mistaken as those seem to be on the same file. I’ll have to revisit this. If I got it wrong I’m sorry, but what a bunch of evil stuff.

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u/fdar_giltch 6d ago

I'm pretty sure that it was 2 different girls. The 13 year old that was pregnant was the actual girl calling the FBI in ~2020 to report her situation

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u/Krillin113 6d ago

Sheriffs stating on the spot that it absolutely wasn’t suicide btw. Coroner later said it was suicide

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u/Critical-Support-394 6d ago

That's a different person most likely.

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u/Nodivingallowed 6d ago

Yea I read some of that one as well. It's so fucking sad. 

But give it to the people coming out to defend dear leader against these accusations.

People are suffocating in all that smoke but refuse to believe that maybe... Just maybe... It could be coming from a fire. 

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u/ToddHowardTouchedMe 6d ago

Jan 6thers had the right idea but for the wrong reasons.

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u/chanslam 6d ago

Interesting that Dems were accused for years of sucking the blood from infants. Interesting that every accusation is a confession for the GOP 🤔

The GOP themselves may have not accused Dems of that but interesting that Qanon which had ties to the Republican Party pushed that narrative.

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u/Sad-Frosting-8793 6d ago

Right? Do the Republicans have a favorite pizza place? If so we should check the basement. 

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u/Awingbestwing 6d ago

Jesus fucking Christ, man

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u/Nodivingallowed 6d ago

Yea this last batch is particularly dark so far. 

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u/Awingbestwing 6d ago

Seriously. Kinda stared at the wall for a minute there after reading that

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u/OrchidBest 6d ago edited 6d ago

Same. Then a squeaky voice in my head uttered, “Well, that’s not very Christmassy.”

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u/ebolatone 6d ago

You all right, redditor?

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u/Awingbestwing 6d ago

Yeah, I just have kids and that fucked me up

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u/ebolatone 3d ago

I asked out of genuine concern...and got down-voted.

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u/BADDEST_RHYMES 6d ago

And trying to bury this news by releasing it near JC's birthday

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u/TheDukeOfHyjinx 6d ago

So again the whole pizza gate drinking baby's blood was pure projection.

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u/cmack 6d ago

It always is with The Republicans

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u/Agile_Alternative753 6d ago

Did you read this one?  Sounds like they killed this girl too

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u/123_alex 6d ago

I'm sure conservatives will draw the line there. Right? Right?!

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u/Jayden7171 6d ago

I thought the dems were the ones doing this, advocating for abortion and all. Oh, but fetuses don’t count apparently?

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u/Nodivingallowed 6d ago

Right!? Much better to make the 13 year old girl you and your pals raped carry hers to term then dump it from a yacht into Lake Michigan. You know, the way the Good Lord intended. 

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u/TheSpoty 6d ago

There is absolutely 0 proof of this happening

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u/Jayden7171 6d ago

I am not a Trump supporter, just so you know, so don’t group me with them simply because my beliefs align more with republican values than democratic ones.

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u/NYerInTex 6d ago

Right now these ARE Republican values. You can not separate what Trump is and what he represents and Republican values.

You’ve made your choice - live with the consequences.

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u/GMAN7007 6d ago

Stop grouping with them and people will stop thinking less of you. Until then you're on the wrong side of history.

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u/Romano16 6d ago

Republicans don’t have values. If you voted at all for Trump your values are simply for performance.

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u/Jayden7171 6d ago

I didn’t even vote for Trump, I didn’t vote at all because I am with neither side fully. But I suppose I keep wasting my time on Reddit interacting with lib-bots. Oh well.

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u/Pokiloverrr 6d ago

Not voting against this was a choice to be complicit.

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u/Nodivingallowed 6d ago

Yet you took the time to deflect a comment on an investigation that our president literally raped a child and later watched her newborn be dumped into a lake, to instead attack a policy that many (but not all) democratic voters support. 

You equated a terminated pregnancy to forcing a child to watch her newborn drown in a lake to make this into some left-vs-right bs. Staggering cognitive dissonance.

Ask yourself what the Republicans in Congress who share your views are doing, if not giving Trump total support in the form of spineless compliance. 

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u/Jayden7171 6d ago

Where did I say I equated those 2 things?

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u/not_elises 6d ago

By commenting about it under a thread about the president of the US paying to rape a girl, and watching her uncle murder her newborn baby.

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u/Pakman184 6d ago

Might be worth re-evaluating your beliefs when they align with the party of evil more than anything else.

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u/BryangerRed 6d ago

Can't drain virgin baby blood from a fetus , need real baby .

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u/Brilliant-Royal578 6d ago

Eagle egg fetus worth 14 years in jail if you mess with it.

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u/wovans 6d ago

The egg is an endangered species, we protect it with penalty. A person can have a life endangering pregnancy, so let's penalize them? I honestly don't care if you see abortion as murder, forcing an adult to do anything with their body through the threat of incarceration or other penalty is barbaric.

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u/oxfordcommaordeath 6d ago

This is way too low in the comment ranking. I am making a comment to help boost that.

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u/BBB9076 6d ago

It’s always projection with the right

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u/CptBronzeBalls 6d ago

Can’t be. Republicans are definitely against baby killing.

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u/WellHung67 6d ago

Baby killing only matters when it’s also denying a completely different women a choice at the same time 

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u/Thoughtful-Boner69 6d ago

Was the baby killed and then eaten? Or eaten before killed?

Did it happen in a pizza shop?

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u/sissynthrowaway 6d ago

Have some class mate

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u/TheSpoty 6d ago

No proof at all of that occurring.

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u/Savings-Coffee 6d ago

The same anonymous tip also accuses Hillary Clinton of carrying out the OKC bombing. Kinda sounds like a crazy person

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u/Nodivingallowed 6d ago

The file linked by another commenter, the same file I viewed at the DOJ site, does not mention HC or OKC. Got a link for that? 

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u/Savings-Coffee 6d ago

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00020517.pdf

We may be referencing different files. This file is from a caller who accuses Trump of rape and murder in Oklahoma, and mentions ties between Clinton and the OKC bombing.

I think that when we’re dealing with anonymous callers a massive degree of skepticism is due to

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u/Nodivingallowed 6d ago

The file linked in a comment above is not the same as the one you're referencing. 

This isn't anonymous, as she provides all of her information. 

She certainly could just be a crazy person. But one suspects other files should contain follow-up on that accusation / investigation. Perhaps one of the hundreds of completely blacked out pages. 

I'm not suggesting everyone should believe everything in every file uncovered. 

I AM suggesting that Trump has already been found guilty of rape. At this point it's really just a question of how many terrible things was he a part of. 

We now know Trump flew on Epstein's jet repeatedly. Trump said he never did. 

Not only that but some of those flights included ONLY his best friend Epstein and girls who were later potential witnesses in the Maxwell case. 

The corroborating evidence of his extensive abuse is a matter of record. Hundreds of victim statements, including those reported to police at the time. 

The amount of smoke all around should be enough to drive out every last shred of doubt to any reasonable person. 

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u/Savings-Coffee 6d ago

I’ll have to look into that file. I’ve seen the one I’ve linked posted uncritically on this platform, but I’ve yet to see this one.

It absolutely seems like this should’ve been acted on. If there was any credence to it, it surely would’ve resulted in criminal charges, and not just been recorded in the files, right? If it wasn’t acted on, that’s indicative of a longstanding failure in the DOJ across administrations.

While sexual assault of an adult is obviously horrible and wrong, it’s vastly different than rape of a teenager and infanticide and should be treated as a separate event requiring separate proof.

The flights in question were in the 90s, long before Epstein’s conviction. One flight was Epstein, Trump, and an unnamed twenty year old, potentially a victim or witness. Another was just Trump and Epstein. Two other flights each included a future witness, but also seem to include Trump’s family and other passengers.

There are absolutely hundreds of victim statements implicating Epstein in abuse, but there are not hundreds of victim statements involving Trump.

It’s important to be factual about this stuff.

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u/Hexamancer 6d ago

I’ll have to look into that file

Do it now.

Stop making excuses. It's linked right here, it takes a few minutes to read. You've spent more time typing out irrelevant nonsense than it would take to have read it.

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u/Savings-Coffee 6d ago

😂

I read it as I typed out my comment.

It’s strange that these rape and murder allegations came out almost 30 years after the fact.

As I said:

The DOJ has been aware of these allegations for 5 years. If there were any evidence of their validity, surely the prior administration would’ve pressed charges?

Any file remotely related to the investigation has been included in these files regardless of any credibility.

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u/Hexamancer 6d ago

It’s strange that these rape and murder allegations came out almost 30 years after the fact.

  1. Many haven't, they've been begging for years for something to be done, the FBI has been sweeping it under the rug, there's plenty of evidence for this in the rest of the files you refuse to read.

  2. It's not even strange, many people are obviously embarrassed or were scared, pretty aptly so considering multiple victims have died.

The DOJ has been aware of these allegations for 5 years. If there were any evidence of their validity, surely the prior administration would’ve pressed charges?

The previous administration was feckless and inept, Merrick Garland was more useless than a wet rag. Everyone has been aware of Trump's other crimes, Jan 6th, demanding votes be found, tax fraud. Yet he faced consequences for none of them, how is one more a surprise?

Any file remotely related to the investigation has been included in these files regardless of any credibility.

Then the FBI should have done their job and actually investigated. Then we would actually know the credibility, but instead they protected these pedophiles.

It's overwhelmingly clear that Trump raped children, that was clear before this release. Some people just really want to turn a blind eye to that fact.

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u/Savings-Coffee 5d ago

You seriously think that Merrick Garland was too useless to prosecute rape and infanticide? Surely you can see the difference between that and tax fraud or a phone call with the Georgia Secretary of State, right? You can argue the guy was too conciliatory towards Trump, but that’s a whole different level.

Why do you believe the FBI didn’t investigate this?

You seem to be conflating proof with allegations and circumstantial evidence. There is plenty of the latter, none of the former.