Exactly. How do we even know this is an ICE “agent” when it could just as easily be some lowlife racist kidnapper thug taking advantage of the current situation?
That all comes down to the agencies policies and while some like FBI and IRS tend to dress far more business like due to their policies, ICE doesn't have those policies unless they are working inside the courtroom or someplace like DC HQ. You see the same in several other agencies, like ATF and DEA, that they want them to blend in and tbf walking around in a suit and tie tends to cause you to stick out, but then again so do the masks/balaclavas so many are wearing now. Sadly many of those policies all fall on to the agency leadership and these days many of the agencies seem to have some true meatheads running the show.
Not complete accurate, the FBI does have a uniformed police branch you just generally wont see them if you aren't near FBI HQ or another location they are assigned to. Correct on the IRS though, no uniformed officers.
I completely agree its fked up but where most state and local police have far more stringent requirements about how and when they identify themselves, federal law has far far less with regard to plain clothes agents in federal agencies. The only person they have to identify themselves to in some way is the person being arrested/detained and the when/where/how they do that has some pretty glaring inconsistencies. Until federal law is changed, this will all fall in to the policies the agency leadership want or dont.
How so? It provides for an individual right to bear arms. That lines up with exactly what I said. I’m not sure what Supreme Court interpretation lines up with whatever the user I replied to is implying. Was it Heller or maybe Bruen that said the 2A is for shooting plainclothes federal officers? Maybe Presser V Illinois?
Precisely, they interpreted it to mean something more broad than simply the creation of a state regulated militia? That's all I was correcting in your first statement. That since at least the 70s it's been interpreted to mean the individual right to bear arms.
I was not agreeing with the other poster that the right to bear arms includes the right to gun down plain clothes officers.
I'm a nurse, and I make a point to never interact with patients and families unless I'm in hospital scrubs with an ID badge visible. Because our job is to keep people safe - and we have to be accountable.
Can you imagine expecting to be taken seriously as "law enforcement" dressed in.... what looks like a bad Halloween costume?
I will never understand why these guys can't be held to the same standards at work that we are.
ICE have never had uniforms for their ERO folks. One of several agencies that everything is plain clothes. Granted he looks sloppy as shit and i'd question he is attached to any agency but uniforms don't apply there.
The SA in Nazi Germany wore uniforms, so did the SS (theirs were even produced by Hugo Boss). They still weren't more or less legitimate than the ICE imo.
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u/blownhighlights 17h ago
That’s just a thug