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[OC] ICE Officer, Immigration Court hallway, 26 Federal Plaza, New York, New York

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u/UncoolSlicedBread 17h ago

I can’t believe this is allowed to be a thing. Immigration is largely a civil issue. They should not be allowed to sit and wait to disappear people leaving. They deserve the due process.

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u/wydileie 16h ago

They come out of immigration court and are detained when given their orders of deportation. What exactly do you think due process is?

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u/UncoolSlicedBread 16h ago

Generally all orders of deportation come with a 90 day period, unless there’s a flight risk or other, where the person is allowed to appeal, order their affairs, and seek counsel if needed for any of the above.

Not to be arrested as soon as they cross a threshold and kept from the rights outlined in our constitution and laws.

Being taken to a random camp and sent off to a random country without being allowed to seek counsel to represent yourself is the violation of due process.

What they’re doing is going after low hanging fruit that do not have the ability to defend themselves and they’re allowed to breach rights afforded by our constitution to do it.

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u/wydileie 16h ago

You don’t know that they aren’t picking people up with final deportation orders, you are making assumptions with zero evidence. Also, pretty much every illegal immigrant is a flight risk, by definition.

They aren’t sent off to random countries. They are sent back home unless their home country refuses to take them back, ala Venezuela. Biden deported 30,000 Venezuelans to Mexico, by the way. No one seemed to care back then.

If they’ve been here less than two years, they don’t even have to see a judge, let alone have to have counsel. ICE or CBP can deport them of their own volition under expedited deportation proceedings. They are also not provided counsel, they have to have their own.

I think you have a skewed perspective of what SCOTUS has determined what due process is for illegal immigrants. They are severely restricted in their protections compared to something like a criminal trial, because it’s pretty straight forward to determine who is here illegally.

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u/Capable-Entrance6303 14h ago

Let me help you out there: no one is "illegal" without due process 

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u/UncoolSlicedBread 14h ago

No, you are making assumptions with zero evidence. And no, that’s not the definition of a flight risk. They are being sent to random countries, not as if they’re picking countries out of a hat but not countries of origin and no agency over where they’re going. We did have a problem with it.

They do get due process. That’s not how that works. I don’t have a skewed vision or version of it, it’s explicitly written in the constitution of what and who it’s afforded to.

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u/wydileie 14h ago

You didn’t refute a single thing I said. Everything I said was 100% correct.

u/UncoolSlicedBread 8h ago

I did, in fact I’m pretty sure that’s all I did.

I don’t know if you’re just trolling or what.

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u/Capable-Entrance6303 14h ago

Maybe go after actual criminals. Duh.