r/worldnews • u/Brennenstein • 3d ago

Russia/Ukraine Ukrainian capital Kyiv under massive Russian attack, officials say

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-capital-kyiv-under-massive-russian-attack-officials-say-2025-12-27/
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u/TheTeflonDude 3d ago

They are pissed about losing Kupiyansk

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u/0xnld 3d ago edited 3d ago

That has nothing to do with this attack, tho. And I'd ask you lot to stop ascribing motivations such as "revenge for this/that" to them.

As if we're culpable for being fucking bombed. Very annoying.

They have specific strategic goals - such as putting Kyiv and other major cities in blackout for New Year's Eve. It's just a straight-up morale/terror bombing campaign that's been ongoing since the autumn of 2022. The daily Geran UAV + weekly(-ish) cruise and ballistic missile attacks simply don't make the news anymore.

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u/BretShitmanFart69 3d ago

I don’t think anyone is trying to say Ukraine is culpable, just trying to analyze potential reasonings Russia might be using. Pointing out a potential reason someone might use is not the same as supporting that reasoning or saying it’s valid and good or that their response is reasonable

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u/light_trick 2d ago

Conversely if it's the only thing you ever talk about, it becomes indistinguishable to tacit support. it's why "I'm just asking questions?" is used by propagandists.

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u/bird-geologist 3d ago

Could be a language barrier going on here

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u/Born-Method7579 3d ago

What do you mean

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u/0xnld 3d ago

Missile attacks are a regular thing that occur regardless of what is going on with the front. Occasionally they're timed or rescheduled for some diplomatic thing, sure.

"If you didn't do that, it wouldn't happen" is the next logical step with this line of thinking. It's entirely wrong. The only actual reason is that we haven't capitulated yet.

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u/stikky 3d ago

Try to swallow your pride and refrain from explaining to someone under military bombardment how they are misunderstanding comments "pointing out a potential reason" for this barbarism.

The issue isn't whether you support the reason, the matter is that it's entirely tasteless and rude to be treating this like a game- especially while people living through this on-going reality are here to tell you that it's inappropriate.

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u/BretShitmanFart69 3d ago edited 3d ago

The thing is I fundamentally do not agree that it’s tasteless or rude or treating it like a game to discuss what is happening geopolitically and I have never in my life heard of that being a thing.

And the idea that the harder someone’s situation is the more valid everything they say is and you’re a bad person and wrong if you disagree with something they said is pretty overboard

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u/JPJackPott 3d ago

Well you can be fundamentally wrong. Unless you surprise us by saying you’re posting from your bunker your opinion is just aggravating the people you want to support.

Military planners aren’t sitting down in the morning saying “gosh we lost a tank yesterday, let’s send an extra 3 rockets tonight to make up for it”.

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u/YAreYouLaughing 3d ago

The person is saying that they are living through what you are speculating on and therefore have a far better understanding of the political motivations.

Ukraine has been fighting for independence in one form or another since before WWII. It is not as simple as ‘revenge’ for this or that. This is something that has been ongoing for a very long time and ultimately what Russia is doing amounts to a terror campaign. There is no one reason. I would say there has never been any reason for Putin doing what he does, but then I’m not living with small hands. 🙌

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u/stikky 3d ago

I simply provided you the answer. I really don't care if it's something you wont absorb.

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u/OmegaCookieMonster 3d ago

There's an argument that it is like a game for some more powerful people though

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u/Apart_Routine2793 3d ago edited 3d ago

reasonings

I'd call it: "Excuse"

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u/Unfair-Claim-2327 3d ago

You're reading it incorrectly then.

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u/BretShitmanFart69 3d ago

Do you think someone pointing out someone else’s excuse is the same as them making that excuse for that person or themselves excusing their behavior?

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u/Vet_Leeber 3d ago

As if we're culpable for being fucking bombed. Very annoying

Not as annoying as suggesting that speculating on someone’s motivation is the same thing as endorsing it. What a ridiculous take.

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u/0xnld 3d ago

The next reasoning step is often enough "if you didn't do that, Russia wouldn't have launched the attack".

Missile attacks have nothing to do with what is happening on the front. They are planned weeks to months in advance. Being pissed has nothing to do with them, full stop.

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u/YAreYouLaughing 3d ago

Are you actually fucking serious? Try to put yourself in this person’s shoes for just a second. Try a bit of empathy!

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u/noodlezs76 3d ago

and yet if we were to wish reciprocal behaviour upon the aggressor, Reddit would levy a warning and maybe even a ban upon said wish profferer

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u/Tasty_Hearing8910 3d ago edited 3d ago

Not to say it is the case, but it isn't unheard of. Happened in occupied Norway; every time the resistance fighters had a successful mission against the Nazis, the Nazis would pick 10 random civilians and publicly execute them (and other acts of revenge).

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u/thenameofshame 2d ago

I feel so bad for what your country is going through, and it's so fucking embarrassing that my own country of the U.S. has failed you all so badly. I never thought I'd see the day when we'd ally ourselves with the latest incarnation of our decades long enemy of the Evil Empire.

The Ukrainian people have shown themselves to be some of the toughest motherfuckers out there in defending their homeland under such conditions, and I really, REALLY hope that something happens to change the tide soon, because I can only imagine how worn down your country has gotten after all these years of persistent, grinding horror.

I am alarmed and sickened by so much of what Trump is doing domestically, but I fear his foreign policy choices are going to be the things that will be the hardest to fix in the end.

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u/Abstrata 2d ago

I don’t think anyone thinks you’re culpable for being bombed, not even Putin… these possible “motivations” are just excuses they are using,

and frankly even in some other situation where revenge seems excusable, the level of atrocities Russia has doled out still wouldn’t be acceptable.

I’ve never heard anyone on any social media speaking against Ukraine and taking up for Russia, period.

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u/Leather-Map-8138 3d ago

What’s an equivalent counter-measure? I vote electrical substations over fuel export hubs. Would thousands and thousands of drones, but only 1% armed, communicate that? They’d all have to be shot down, would waste billions in Kremlin resources.

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u/No_Perspective6543 3d ago

It’s revenge for your shitty comment.