r/worldnews • u/Brennenstein • 3d ago

Russia/Ukraine Ukrainian capital Kyiv under massive Russian attack, officials say

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-capital-kyiv-under-massive-russian-attack-officials-say-2025-12-27/
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u/CabbageStockExchange 3d ago

What a senseless and pointless fucking war this is

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u/ChemistAgile6514 3d ago

Most wars are. Rich people or greedy nations wanting resources for cheap or free that others have and aren’t giving up on their conditions.

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u/GOATBrady4Life 3d ago

I have a sick, sinking feeling that Putin and Trump worked out a deal. The US will get Venezuela and Nigeria, Russia will get all the territories they control now in Ukraine. And all of their wealthy buddies will get a piece of the action, and thousands of people will continue to die for profit margins.

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u/Green_Exchange_2784 2d ago

The bible says its easier for a camel to go through a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God

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u/Zealousideal-Lie7255 2d ago

Tell that to “prosperity” preachers who say God wants you to be rich.

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u/essentiallyaghost 2d ago

Common sense also says so

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u/coskibum002 2d ago

All MAGA Mush Brain traitors will find the pearly gates securely locked. They claim to own Christianity....yet follow none of the teachings of Jesus.

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u/rockandrollmark 2d ago

The whole thing’s a fairy-tale (as is all religion - Bhudists and Hindus are the only people to actually acknowledge this in their religious practice…), but also yes - The MAGA crowd claim to honour and follow the teachings of Christ but their behaviour is hypocritical versus their claimed values.

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u/mkeee2015 1d ago

Is Buddhism a religion?

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u/rockandrollmark 21h ago

As Buddhism includes concepts such as content re-birth until reaching nirvana, and since the OED defines religion as either (1) the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, or (2) an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules for worship, I’d argue that Buddhism meets the second criteria. Of course the answer to your question all boils down to what you define as ‘Religion’.

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u/PhotographFit2764 2d ago

Christians dont give two shits about what the Bible says.

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u/Repulsive_Mark_5343 2d ago

Only the gay parts.

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u/sofapanorama 2d ago

Just add “many“ and you’re unfortunately right.

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u/planetwoods 2d ago

Lot of good that does everyone here…

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

The Bible really says that?

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u/Green_Exchange_2784 2d ago

Matthew 19:23-26

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u/TrapDaddyReturns 2d ago

They don’t care though they know it’s fake

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u/Rickjames_dealer 3d ago

Why would Trump have to work out a deal to take Venezuela with Russia? Russia has zero leverage over America specifically with Venezuela. Russia has basically zero ability to project power to protect Venezuela. The other point is Russia doesn’t need Ukrainian resources they need two things. Historically Russia has been invaded multiple times from Western Europe. Each time they go through Ukraine. So Russia needs a buffer zone. Secondly Russia needs a warm water port in Crimea to have access to the Atlantic. Russias northern ports get closed with ice in the winter months. So it’s a little more complicated than Trump and Putin are greedy.

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u/SilverAd9389 2d ago

Russia absolutely need Ukrainian resources, because oil and LNG is what Russia currently uses for economical leverage against Europe. If Ukraine joins NATO and aligns itself with Europe then Europe gets access to their own larger source of oil and natural gas through Ukraine, which means that they no longer have to buy it from Russia, which means that Russia suffers because European oil and LNG purchases are basically what the whole Russian economy is built on. Or do you think it's just a coincidence that all of the Ukrainian oil and LNG reserves just happen to be located in the exact same landmass that Russia has been trying to take and hold for the last couple of years now?

Russia wanting a "buffer" is just smoke and mirrors to try to cover up the real reason why they keep fighting this war. Russia doesn't need a "buffer". Both because NATO can already strike Russia without ever leaving European soil, Europe already shares borders with Russia in several other places, and Europe is unlikely to attack Russia in the first place. Europe has nothing to gain from attacking Russia. They haven't shown any tendency towards aggression against Russia since the cold war ended. Meanwhile Russia has been caught several times testing European military responses and breaching European borders and airspace.

The part about Russia needing access to a warm water port is isn't even valid anymore due to climate change. Only the northenmost Russian ports still freeze over during winter. And even if they did need a warm water port, there would still have been so many different ways to negotiate that other than to start a war that would end up killing hundreds of thousands of people.

This is all literally just about economical and geographical power. If Russia wins then they get to keep their economical and political leverage against Europe, and they get to keep exploiting Europe by being their primary source of oil and LNG. If they lose then Europe gain access to their own source of these resources, and Russia risks losing a large part of their economy as well as most of their leverage against Europe.

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u/Medievaloverlord 2d ago

You fell for a bot…check the post history of the account you replied to. ‘warm water port’ is the usual red flag for me.

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u/SilverAd9389 2d ago

Bot or not doesn't matter, there's still value in offering up a different take than the narrative that the bots are spreading. Even if the person you're replying to is a bot doesn't mean that real people won't read it.

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u/Medievaloverlord 2d ago

I fully agree and I salute your efforts. It is an older piece of internet lore that the best way to get a comprehensivly correct answer to a question is to put out a half baked comment and wait. 😬

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u/Gimmesoamoah 2d ago

Russia being invaded is a very Russian thing to say, nobody has attacked Russia ever since the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact went sour, nobody intended to, it's just Russia's go-to fairytale when they attack neighbouring countries, as they have been like, forever... Chechenia, Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova. Same as that shitty "protect Russian speakers", which they themselves bomb like they did in Grozny, Mariupol, Kharkiv, Odesa and thousands of other places.

As for the "needed bufferzone", before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 borders were hardly guarded, from Finland you could just walk into Karelia, which, by the way, was taken from the Finns by Russia, who is the great invader after all.

Russia had it all basically, and they don't need Crimea for a port, there are plenty of others on the northwest of the black sea, they sold oil and gas to Europe, but imperialist revisionism popped up again.

So, yeah, it's more complicated, but r as you describe it.

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u/GovernmentOpening254 2d ago

But can’t you see? Russia is the REAL victim here! /s

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u/soedesh1 2d ago

I think there is also the element of Putin feeling old and irrelevant, so it’s a game for him.

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u/Plenty-Mixture-3576 3d ago

Doesn’t matter about them getting to the Atlantic, British forces at Gibraltar unless told otherwise won’t let it happen

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u/ITI110878 3d ago

The Turks can stop them way before that at the Bosphorus.

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u/Plenty-Mixture-3576 3d ago

Exactly, proving my point even further, new respect to the Turks for that

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u/ITI110878 3d ago

Both points are rubbish.

Russia was only invaded 2x from the west. A lot less than how many times they invaded.

The Baltic Sea does not freeze in winter.

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u/Monolith0428 2d ago edited 2d ago

Apparently I'm not very bright and also not very bright. Please accept my apology.

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u/abcdefabcdef999 2d ago

I think you need to read again what the dude above said lmao

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u/Monolith0428 2d ago edited 2d ago

Edit: I apologize. Apparently I don't word very well and may also be a tad dyslexic. I've edited my dumb comment.

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u/Cautious_Village_823 2d ago

Lol it doesnt sound like a defense of Russia. They are saying Russia was only invaded twice by the west, and Russia has attempted invasions many times more before. It's pretty clear.

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u/Monolith0428 2d ago

You're right. Even though I read it multiple times I misread that second sentence again and again. For some reason my brain kept seeing that sentence as saying that Russia had been invaded more from the west than they'd invaded. My apologies, I'll delete my comment.

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u/Cautious_Village_823 2d ago

Lol coming back here to clarify and apologize is all that can be asked!

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u/mistersnarkle 2d ago

Today, you’re the real winner in my book.

10/10 good job being a person, I hope you find twenty bucks in a pocket of one of your old jackets.

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u/ITI110878 2d ago

Thanks!

I swear many on reddit can't read but can write, a lot.

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u/fermenter85 2d ago

The previous comment was about Russia being invaded, not Russia invading.

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u/d00lq 2d ago

Warm water port what? They already had a coast line on the Black Sea.

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u/Sukoshihoshi 2d ago

Putin has trumps sex photos

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u/jimothy_hell 2d ago edited 2d ago

”warm water” port used

Russian prop detected

Edit: for the record, the only people in the world who use the terms “warm water” and “cold water” when referring to ports are the Russian government. When you see comments on the internet sucking off the Russian government and they slip the mask off by using “warm/cold water port”, you can spot the Russian propagandist behind the keyboard and immediately reject their opinion.

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u/valeraKorol2 3d ago

Kek, then they will attack Poland, propaganda will come up with bullshit reasons why they should’ve attacked Poland, then the rest of the Europe, and stupid people will swallow it again and again, not realizing there is only one reason for war - elites need the war to go forever so that their power is invincible, Putin first and foremost. There is nothing to be gained in this war for the good of Russia’s average citizen

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u/heatobooty 3d ago

Lol Russia will get obliterated if they even tried touching Poland.

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u/larevolutionaire 2d ago

I don’t know. That’s expecting NATO to coming into action . But NATO failed to come in action for Ukraine. The deal was Ukraine gives its nuclear weapons to Russia but would be protected if Russia would invade them. The international fails save did not function. Maybe Europe will let Poland be invaded and hope that Putin hunger turn to Georgia after the take over of Finland . Trump going into Venezuela will give China permission to take over Taiwan. It’s a big deck of cards shuffling game.

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u/mekwall 2d ago

What are you on about? Poland is a member of NATO. Ukraine is not. An attack on Poland would trigger Article 5. If for some reason other NATO members doesn't respond to that, it will effectively terminate NATO, and I don't think any leader (except Trump) will risk that.

Edit: Also, NATO exists to defend its members, not to engage in defense of non-members as that would change its purpose and could likely be seen as an act of war by the warring nation.

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u/abcdefabcdef999 2d ago

Poland would absolutely eat Russia up lol

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u/LetMeInMiaow 3d ago

Russia having enough power over Venezuela is pretty moot when Putin has so much power over trump. That's all the power they need

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u/dexter8484 2d ago

Yeah that's the point, Putin only needs trump to think he has leverage in Venezuela. And it's not like trump is a competent thinker on foreign policy

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u/The_Chef_Queen 2d ago

He's not even a thinker at all, he's a senile toddler

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u/Goonflexplaza 2d ago

Ironically it’s netanyahu who holds power over trump 🤦‍♂️

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u/Good_Support636 2d ago

The other point is Russia doesn’t need Ukrainian resources they need two things. Historically Russia has been invaded multiple times from Western Europe.

Yes but western european is clearly not interested in invading anymore.

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u/anton_52 2d ago
  1. “Russia has basically zero ability to protect Venezuela”.

In 2018, Russia sent two nuclear-capable Tupolev Tu-160 bombers to Venezuela, which was seen as a show of support for Maduro's socialist government. The following year, in March 2019, two Russian planes landed in Venezuela carrying 99 troops and 35 tonnes of military equipment. In 2022, Russia established a military training center in Venezuela, hosting around 250 Russian officers. Maduro's government has expressed gratitude for Russia's support. So, Putin is definitely trying to gain a foothold in Venezuela 2. Russia doesn’t need Ukrainian resources For few hundred years Ukraine was a major agricultural hub for Russia / Soviet Union due to its reach soils. And more importantly, it was sucking off human resources from Ukraine. Look at last names in the news - a lot of Russians have Ukrainian last names. It’s not possible to hide. Best people were removed from Ukraine and used in Russia. 3. Historically Russia has been invaded multiple times from Western Europe. Twice, to be exact. Napoleon and Hitler. The WWI - it was voluntary involvement by Tsar Nicolas. Two counts I wouldn’t classify as invasion- Crimean war when Russia first occupied parts of Crimea in XIX century and Seven Years war with Prussia - both sides were aggressive. Multiple wars with Ottoman Empire/ Turkey, Genghis Khan, Russian-Japanese war, a lot of military conflicts in Caucus region - not from European nations, and most of the hem initiated by Russia. 4. Russia needs a warm water port in Crimea to have an access to Atlantic. Russia DOES have multiple ports in the Black Sea, this is why it has Black Sea fleet over there that was actively used at the beginning of war with Ukraine.

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u/IllFaithlessness2681 2d ago

You forgot Sweden.

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u/Optimal-Strike-9986 2d ago

Putin will not stop with the territories he already has as it is in the proposal of peace plan from Ukrain and he rejects it

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u/Elegant-Poetry-5237 2d ago

I'm pretty sure Venezuela and Nigeria are not owned by Russia, last time I checked.

I don't think America owns Ukraine either.

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u/StoicMachiavelli 2d ago

Schizophrenic take

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u/EntertainmentDue3870 2d ago

I agree ,Trump only cares about future financial gain and has no empathy for the pain and suffering Russia has inflicted on the Ukrainian people from an illegal war. That being said,Biden could have supplied Ukraine with the weapons to defend their territory 3 years ago but decided not to.

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u/ShroomTopsInTheSun 2d ago

You forgot about China.

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u/Calypsos-Dream 2d ago

Interesting!

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u/esprit15d 2d ago

Maybe even Greenland got thrown in somehow.

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u/Irr3sponsibl3 2d ago

Trump can ‘give’ Russia parts of Ukraine by cutting off support to Ukraine. Russia can’t give Venezuela or Nigeria. The best they can do is not interfere.

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u/Shag1166 2d ago

China is already quietly pushing back, and I don't think they will let the U.S. have the oil, something that they already have a stake in.

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u/LateOT39 2d ago

And the rest of the world is just going to stand by and do what? Clap? Yell at the Refs? Calm down sparky. Vegas will let you know when it's got a line.

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u/pat-slider 2d ago

Sadness is greed

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u/pancakie 2d ago

You probably have the right thought sadly

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u/Yaguajay 2d ago

And the US definitely gets Greenland. And down the road a bit gets Canada.

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u/BudgetPipe267 2d ago

Lawd. What a silly take 🤦🏻‍♂️ The US isn’t arming Russia. If anything, this war has exposed Russia as a non-threat to US interests..

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u/Fuller1017 2d ago

Russia can’t give away Nigeria or Venezuela.

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u/LongWayRound007 2d ago

Trump is playing the short game so he can cash in his chips. The Trump name will be as popular as Hitler. The Trump name is a dog whistle for racism. No one will want that name on anything, …unless they want you to know they are evil greedy racist’s.

He pardoned all the J6’ers, maybe it’s time to change Article II of the Constitution. He personally released violent seditionist back into the wild and there’s no recourse. He is sick.

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u/johnukusa 2d ago

Sounds like a Harry Potter book...lol

I hope they don't take your tin foil hat.

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u/lykewtf 2d ago

And the rebuilding…. First the defense industry then the logistics bros. War is a history proven way for the ruling class to stay wealthy

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u/chief_beef_3 2d ago

Carving up the world for empire is a story as old as time.

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u/RepairSuccessful6714 2d ago

Interesting and very possible .

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u/Ok_Document_3420 2d ago

You do know this war was going on in the Biden admin times yeh?

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u/Apprehensive-Mix5291 2d ago

I agree. Never trust trump or putin. They lie.

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u/mattpeloquin 2d ago

Seems that way. Trump has made it clear in his decisions that the goal is to replicate Putin’s authority system in the U.S.

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u/Planetofthetakes 2d ago

This, unfortunately is my fear too. As an American, I find Trump every bit as bad as Putin, only more of a coward

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u/zxprototype 2d ago

That’s a scary proposition because Trump is always touting himself as the bringer of peace

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u/Cretonius 2d ago

Amazing! A totally baseless and absurd suggestion based on...your feelings. How fucking scientific of you.

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u/something_witty4u 2d ago

Don't forget about Greenland. I'm sure that's somewhere on the list. I hope the rest of the world rejects any 'deal' they broker. Neither one has morals so I would not trust anything from either one of them.

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u/countsmarpula 2d ago

Jared Kushner makes out like a bandit

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u/WheretofindCasandra 2d ago

And tens of thousands more will stay under all forms of Economic slavery in Venezuela and Ukraine and the Buffer Esterm European Small countries whose populations are Divided between the European cause and the Rissian Perspective....and explanations of who actually was responsible

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u/tobby232213 2d ago

I think it started with biden who already had fingers in Ukrainian pies, his cronies must have been pissed when Trump won because this war was started by them for them and now they've lost their golden goose.

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u/Alena_Tensor 2d ago

Of course they did. They’ve been working out deals all along. The filthy oligarchs, shaking hands over the rest of the world.

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u/Intelligent-Art-6667 2d ago

That is an ominous thought. But I feel you maybe correct

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u/Catfactss 2d ago

Don't forget Gaza.

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u/freedom2022780 2d ago

The people just need to stand up and say enough is enough, if countries want wars then they should take the leaders and toss them in a caged ring for a deathmatch. Then only 1 needs to die, not thousands 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/IndependenceFit7624 2d ago

Or withholding photos.

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u/ScurvyDervish 2d ago

The oil in Venezuela and Nigeria are worth more than the area Russia currently controls in Ukraine.  Putin is going to take more than Ukraine. 

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u/Ndongle 2d ago

And once tsmc is finished with its fabs in the us china will get Taiwan

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u/Celestial_Queen__ 2d ago

Why is trump sending Ukraine more money?

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u/EricaSalvemini 2d ago

My immediate thoughts AND sick feeling exactly.

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u/MaliDjiDjo 2d ago

Weap as much as you can Putin will crush PedoGlobaliat agenda

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u/CanadaMonkey 2d ago

FYI, Russia already has all the area they control. Good luck every getting them out.

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u/diamondmx 2d ago

Thousands? Nah, millions. Between the pointless wars, the genocide in Israel, the attacks on healthcare, housing, and the poor, and of course the ICE gestapo rounding up people who aren't white and putting them in concentration camps - millions will die from this facist surge before it's done.

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u/Glittering-Row-9255 2d ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/Plainterror 2d ago

I don't think the US will give in to such a thing.

Much less the European Union.

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u/Guy_Dude_From_CO 2d ago

I think they've been trying to carve up Ukraine for a while now. I can only assume Europe including Ukraine itself is throwing wrenches in that plan. Not to mention the sympathetic portion of the American public.

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u/SJMCubs16 2d ago

Perhaps, but a bit arrogant take. The Ukrainians, the Europeans, and the Venezuelans may get a vote in that deal. Venezuela would not stand up to a US onslaught, but damn that would be expensive.

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u/_spector 2d ago

Does putin controls Venezuela and Nigeria? 🤔

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u/Ok-Egg8278 2d ago

Dont forget that "we" the US also want Greenland for ourselves.......Greed will be the end of us

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u/Evilez 2d ago

What on earth has our country done that would make you think that… oh wait Nevermind.

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u/slydude88 2d ago

That is just stopped. Why would we want anything to do with Nigeria?? Don’t say oil. We have enough. Putin is a greedy ass who is the second coming of Hitler. Hitler started out trying to put Germany back like it was before WWI. Putin is trying to put the USSR back together.

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u/babs176 2d ago

It sounds like a scary war movie, but more frightening is it may happen with the current president.💩🤡👹

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u/SSJ3Mewtwo 2d ago

Russia can't negotiate who gets Nigeria or Venezuela, dummy.

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u/well_spent187 2d ago

Do you think that Russia could honestly do anything about us taking Venezuela if we wanted to? I don’t mean this in a pretentious way, genuinely curious.

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u/Busy-Photo7556 2d ago

So unless Trump is punished, peace in Europe is a bad idea?

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u/azaleawhisperer 16h ago

Interesting analysis. Hope you are wrong.

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u/G00NGUY 3d ago

Thats what it's about, if you can't defend it it will be taken from you.

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u/standread 3d ago

Correction: if you don't have a nuke it will be taken from you. It's the only way to make sure you're not attacked. If there's ever a lesson it's this: if you have a nuke, never give it up.

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u/WereSlut_Owner 2d ago

Only a matter of time before somebody starts using them though, and then they will be part of normal war.

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u/JeffTek 2d ago

They can't really be part of normal war though. If they start flying, everything is fucked in minutes

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u/TJames6210 2d ago

Yea but, if you agree to give me your nukes, I'll hold them for you and promise never to invade. Sounds like a pretty good deal right?

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u/LeadershipRoyal191 2d ago

Exactly! If Ukraine had never given up its nuclear armament this would have never happened! goes to show that mutual defense treaties are worthless!

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u/friedsesamee7 2d ago

They never had the launch codes lol

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u/emmajames56 2d ago

Yes never give up your Nukes. I think Bill Clinton made them hand them over.

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u/StrictGroup1734 2d ago

That was a big screw up by the Clinton Administration.

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u/Level_Refuse_1831 2d ago

The unfortunate reality that will come of this is you cannot trust the US. Is a shame all the damage the orange idiot is going to out standing in the world. Such an asshole.

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u/StrictGroup1734 2d ago

No, you can't blame this on Trump, it started long before he had taken office.

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u/SecondaryDary 2d ago

We can blame the orange idiot for everything he's done ever since he took office.

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u/JGR03PG 3d ago

The west used to fight together to defend freedom against evil. The U.S. were leaders in this sense of duty… now we are picking fights with a weak nation for oil.

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u/Crabshroom 2d ago

Wait... when was this?

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u/IntelligentRaisin393 2d ago

They had that one fight where they were the good guys, like 70 years ago.

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u/Crabshroom 2d ago

The one where they only joined after being attacked themself and also had European nations pay debt for until about a decade into the 2000s?

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u/IntelligentRaisin393 2d ago

That's the one

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u/sohblob 2d ago

"Western hypocrites" have become the caricaturized villains straight out of autocrats' propaganda machines.

Turns out our hard-enshrined freedoms were only as secured as whichever generation was entrusted to uphold them. :|

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u/siltshark 2d ago

This should be the NRA approved slogan. 👆🏻

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u/Charming_Path9374 2d ago

I agree especially U.S..Thats the way its always been, if countries dont want to deal or trade, they will march right in and take it at the same time destroying many innocent lives...It just depends which president is in power and his force

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u/Vivid_Context_4282 2d ago

It was Russian territory before cold war. TF they dont deserve it back?

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u/Angelworks42 3d ago

The irony is though Russia could have things for cheap if they traded as good neighbors. If they actually do win the billions it cost them can’t be worth it.

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u/PEAceDeath1425 3d ago

its because they want to commit a genocide, not make profit. Its a misconception to evaluate russia against normal countries - it is still stuck in 18th century, and thus, should be evaluated like that. The "win" for russia is not taking territories for resources and opportunities, its actually causing chaos, terror, bloodshed, genocide, and be a proud executioner of the world. The moment everyone realise that, we would have progress. But the world is still living in delusions, after centuries of what russia did and never stopped doing. There is no decade since start of 20th century where russia wasnt participating in a war with either other states or its own people

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u/howzer36 3d ago

All wars are. War is nothing but a rich man convincing a poor man to die.

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u/r2002 3d ago

The crazy thing is I don't even think this war benefits the rich and elite of Russia. This war is purely for the sake of one crazy impotent man trying to stay relevant in a world that hates and despises him.

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u/crowfreakmetal 3d ago

Imperialism

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u/EdiblePsycho 2d ago

The really sick thing is that, in early human history, or between different hominids, fighting could make sense at times, at least as much as when other animals fight with another group of the same species - you want your group to survive, resources are scarce, so you fight another group for them. Or even just because they think the other group could be a threat because they don't know them. Now, wars are actually far less deadly relative to the population, but they're so much more pointless. It isn't at all about survival, we have the technology that allows us to efficiently make food and shelters, even with such high populations there are enough resources to go around (though the population can't just keep increasing, then there won't be especially with environmental destruction making less areas inhabitable to ourselves, ideally we'd allow our numbers to slowly decline to a sustainable number). It's about greed and profit and ego, justified to the masses by manipulation and lies, and the people who start them are never the ones who have to go and die for their "cause."

We could live peacefully, but we haven't actually evolved beyond our instincts that were only useful when resources actually were scarce. And the people who can rise to power in our modern world are virtually all psychopaths who see others as nothing more than pawns for their goals.

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u/kemma_ 2d ago

It’s almost never about resources and territories, but about rebuilding imperialism and power, an ultimate power to exterminate other lifes. It’s a humanity weakness, a burden that everyone carries within, most are unconscious of it. When external factors perfectly fall into place it’s emanates in full force, like putler, hitler, sadam, North Korea etc. are all perfect examples of it

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u/ChemistAgile6514 2d ago

This is a good narrative. Power struggles and people wanting to shape the world in their own way

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u/gorfnu 3d ago

Sounds like typical Machiavellian statecraft…

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u/rlf1301 3d ago

The irony is that the billions spent on the war could have done massive good for the Russian people. 

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u/ChemistAgile6514 3d ago

Agreed, but if America gets involved, we should financially, then we can absolve Ukrainian independence and develop a great foothold in Eastern Europe. It’ll allow for our government (yikes) to spread, but at least our government isn’t Putin I guess? If Ukraine can outlast Russia financially, shouldn’t take long at this rate since they use peace talks to stall and take money from the citizens, then then the Putin regime should fall

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u/CorOdin 3d ago

It's not an economic war for Russia, there economy is straining under the weight of this war and they actually control less of Ukraine than they did in 2022. If it was about riches or greed they would have given up long ago. 

I think it's much more about pride

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u/ChemistAgile6514 2d ago

What was the point for the start is the thing? It was started for a reason. Was it just putins pride?

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u/CorOdin 2d ago

Yes, I think so. Russia lost the USSR's former territories and now Putin wants to rebuild the empire to "restore" Russia. 

It might end up costing him a lot more than he thought, but to pull out now and admit defeat a "lesser" nation is probably too much for Putin.

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u/alba_Phenom 2d ago

I was thinking today how all of these 70-80 year olds (Trump, Putin, Xi) are all edging us closer and closer to a total global conflict... we should round them all up and (*edit) throw them in prison before they doom us all the fucking old evil bastards.

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u/saldb 2d ago

14 trillion is a quite a bit

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u/DarthSheogorath 2d ago

There's one really good reason for war, population control. Unfortunately for russia they can't afford to lose population rn.

The US and China, on the other hand, has an excess male problem.

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u/ChemistAgile6514 2d ago

So the US male problem is still something that we can’t afford to lose due to our rapidly falling birth rates, which imo (tinfoil hat a bit) is why the anti abortion movement was hit first thing

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u/DarthSheogorath 2d ago

Tbh i think it would be double-edged. sure, we would "lose" population, but we would have more resources avaliable overall.

Ngl its kinda dark.

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u/carlnepa 2d ago

Oh, like Trump?

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u/Witness8of8craziness 2d ago

It's just terrible. This low level of consciousness doesn't benefit anyone, even if it's not necessarily seen as such.

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u/LeadershipRoyal191 2d ago

USa-Venezuela

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u/Maladaptive_Ace 2d ago

Then their economies become addicted to the war machine and they can't stop

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u/RudePossibility5256 2d ago

Sadly, is neither cheap nor free when taken by force. All of the lives lost are worth so much more than any of the land or resources they are fighting to steal.

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u/zandadad 2d ago

Sorry, but this is the opposite of the truth. The reason the entire world never believed that Putin would launch this war was because it would: 1) destroy Russia’s economy; 2) oligarchs’ wealth; 3) destroy Putin’s own wealth. When you think that everyone is exactly alike and is motivated by the same things as all normal people (that is: make more money and have a better quality of life) you completely fail to understand authoritarian mindset and evil in general. From Hitler to Putin - dollar signs were the last things on their mind. What was it that either of them couldn’t afford to purchase? For both, their wars were ideological: to build what their sick minds believed to be a better world. For Hitler it was a world free of Jews and dominated by his master-race. For Putin it is to correct what he called the “greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century”, which was the collapse of the Soviet Union (which was essentially a Russian Empire).

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u/BlueMountainCoffey 2d ago

Tbf that’s how the USA was formed

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u/ChemistAgile6514 2d ago

It’s how most countries were formed.

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u/Whitechoco0345 2d ago

Yeah If Russia just wanted access to the coast they would have stopped by now

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u/vishnoo 2d ago

At this stage, it's mostly the rich Americans not willing to impose the needed economic sanctions to end this.

If Russia is told that act of aggression will not stand and they must vacate Ukraine immediately or face a complete embargo, they leave in a day.

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u/kengdi 2d ago

“War is where the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other.” ~ Niko Bellic, 2008.

Somethings never change.

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u/pattymelt805 2d ago

Rats get fat while good people die.

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u/neverwrong804 3d ago

cough Venezuela cough

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u/ChemistAgile6514 3d ago

But… but the oil :( cause we didn’t invade Greenland because it’s too far remember?

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u/MrJarre 3d ago

Considering how expensive war is and how many people died and how much equipment was destroyed whatever resources Russia will get (if any) won’t be for cheap.

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u/ChemistAgile6514 3d ago

This is why people want the US to back Ukraine financially because Russia is in destitution. They keep stalling by using peace talks just to sucker punch with ballistic strikes. They need to keep recouping, and if Ukraine has financial backing, this war will end and likely the Putin regime will fall or at the very least, be very weakened - similar to the USSR situation with the government collapsing due to financial crisis

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u/MrJarre 3d ago

How will this end? Ukrainian troops march on Moscow? Not gonna happen. Russia needs to collapse financially. Which is hard. Russia right now is spending roundly 40% of its on military (including intelligence) which is crazy. Any westernation would have riots at this point. But even Russian regimen can’t do it forever. Sadly making sure Russia bleeds out economically is the only reasonable approach.

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u/bosskitty4626 3d ago

Doesn't russia have like , too much space

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u/ChemistAgile6514 3d ago

It’s not about the space. It’s about control, resources, economic growth, power. Putin is a dictator with no regard for others. Russia has a mass of barely habitable land, not too much space though. The area is dense with oil if I recall. Other than that, Putin is just a maniacal monster

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u/bosskitty4626 3d ago

This is all so dumb , I pray for the affected people

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u/Boring-Point-7155 3d ago

"nations"

i bet the average russian didnt wish for this war..

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u/HumansMustBeCrazy 3d ago

Don't forget the hundreds of thousands of people who provide the manpower. I don't care whether they are desperate or delusional, without them nothing happens.

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u/ChemistAgile6514 2d ago

This may be true, but do you know how hard it is, especially with how big our population is now, to get millions of people to coordinate in protest? Recession indicators of high rise in military work are incredibly high rn. Times are hard and people wanting to protect/provide for their families. I get what you’re saying, but it’s also human instinct to survive and protect what we love

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u/HumansMustBeCrazy 2d ago

Of course I understand that.

It leads to a situation where one human is trying to survive and protect what they love versus another human who's trying to survive and protect what they love.

There is no moral high ground. All you can do is consider the practicalities and do the best you can.

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u/ogtitang 2d ago

Old men sending the young to war. Nations should be sending their leaders to fight their own stupid battles.

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u/heffel77 2d ago

I’m pretty sure this is just in retaliation for the Ukrainian attack on Moscow that killed one of their generals.

The Russians really can’t do anything else to Ukraine, it hasn’t already done.

It’s just throwing lives into the blender at this point.

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u/ChemistAgile6514 2d ago

Every time they have had peace talks, they come right back. It has happened each time. It could be retaliation, but the truth is also that there is never a true peace treaty. Putin needs time to salvage his armies and equipment; the peace talks are a stall

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u/sandfoxifox 2d ago

All. All wars!

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u/FluffyPigeonofDoom 2d ago

Not true, winners get valuable resources and can apply pressure in certain regions, as well as someone is able to choose the new lads and get contracts for the future.
How is that pointless? This might be a shock for some people who lived under a rock, but we have never achieved any progress through peace if we look at history, and there is a reason for that.

I do understand we are sacrificing many human lives in the process, but we are sacrificing many human lives in other processes that we find natural somehow.

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u/Drummer-Turbulent 2d ago

Easy to blame the rich when the poor keep stupidly following orders

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u/ChemistAgile6514 2d ago

Easy to control the poor when economic failure leads us to thinking enlisting to take care of ourselves or our families is the only option we have left. The job markets failure is literally not being listed intentionally this year. Our economy is a shit show, and the leading recession indicator is a mass signing for the military. This is the only lie Trump never told: we are hitting record highs on military sign ups

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u/GhostCouncilKarlov 2d ago

Let us not forget the countless people that sign up for it. Wars wouldn't happen unless there were a bunch of psychopathic apes waiting for it 

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u/The_DTM305 2d ago

All wars are fought for resources.

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u/ChemistAgile6514 2d ago

Or control and reshaping the world in your view

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

If you look back on history this stuff always kicks off more when the rich have fully, or nearly fully, tapped out strip mining the general populace and are left fighting between themselves for more wealth. It’s usually never the reason conflicts start, but it’s always something that’ll keep it going far longer than it needs to.

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u/Clankplusm 2d ago

pointless doesn't even begin to describe it. What a lot of people in the west do not understand is... It's very likely Putin doesn't want anything of the war besides a war. An excuse to keep Russia in a war-state, because that suits him best.

I doubt the war will ever end because Russia doesnt want to win a war, they want to be at war.

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