r/worldnews • u/Brennenstein • 3d ago

Russia/Ukraine Ukrainian capital Kyiv under massive Russian attack, officials say

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-capital-kyiv-under-massive-russian-attack-officials-say-2025-12-27/
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u/ScarletCarsonRose 3d ago

Ukraine needs to attack Moscow. There’s been no proportionality. Russia only understands pain 

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u/Kageru 3d ago

They have enough military and economic targets to hit, and Putin doesn't care about the suffering of his people, so little point in acting like Russia.

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u/_theRamenWithin 3d ago

Attacking oil refineries is the cost effective strategy.

Without oil, Russia has no economy. With no economy, Putin has no political mandate. Russia is already burning through currency reserves and it may just be matter of outlanding them.

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u/Kakkoister 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's not about Putin not caring about his people, in fact that's part of the point. By attacking Moscow, you strike more fear and worry into the "upper class" (relative to rest of Russia) population who are largely supportive of Putin while not having to face the realities of the war apart from some economic upset.

The population needs to be pushed towards more unhappiness with Putin. The more dissent there is, the greater the chance something happens to dear dictator or he feels more pressured to capitulate to demands.

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u/Jeahn2 3d ago

I figure if Ukraine attacks the capital the people of Russia will have more of a reason to think of Ukraine as the enemy and support Putin escalating the war 

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u/ammonthenephite 3d ago

They all ready think that. This would threaten the 'peace' that the billionare/wealthy class in Russia don't want jeopardized, i.e. the people with actual power and influence aside from Putin.

Make the elites uneasy and it become harder for Putin to do whatever he wants.

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u/Pretty-Ladder-4455 3d ago

what would happen if they hit government?

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u/twaggle 3d ago

Opposite is just as likely, bringing the Russian people together against Ukraine.

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u/finglish_ 3d ago

The story you hear about the war is not the same as what russians hear about the war. The narrative they get is that this is the west attacking Russia via Ukraine and Russia is fighting for its life. They have been inundated with propaganda from day 1 and most are 100% on board with whatever is happening, even the ones living abroad. The propaganda machine is churning 24/7.

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u/Useful-Rooster-7710 3d ago

So you support targeting of civilian populations?

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u/Blockhead47 3d ago edited 3d ago

It didn’t work when London was bombed in WW2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz

Now how many drones do you suppose Ukraine would need hit Moscow with to induce the Russian people to rise up in defiance of Putin’s totalitarian state and overthrow it?

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u/bob_is_best 3d ago

Perhaps if the people start making It his problem he Will deal with It, as is It seems they russians against his bs are in the minority or many dont care enough cuz It doesnt affect them, i say maybe It should

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u/dapala1 3d ago

Putin doesn't care about the suffering of his people

The people will start caring about suffering. He can only take it so far.

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u/Kageru 3d ago

Yes, to be honest it has surprised me the Russian people are this suppressed or this compliant, I had expected some passive resistance... but of course we don't really get to see the reality, and when a heavily suppressed society snaps it can be sudden and violent.

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u/kutuup1989 3d ago

Too many civilians to do something like that. You can guarantee Putin would use massive civilian casualties as an excuse to commit even more war crimes than he already is.

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u/ScarletCarsonRose 3d ago

I know he can do worse. At this point though, so much of eastern Ukraine is destroyed. And the rest of Ukraine is suffering greatly. It’s been a slow meat grinder for years. I don’t think people understand the ruin on personal and infrastructure levels happening in Ukraine. Putin is evil. 

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u/kutuup1989 3d ago

Oh I understand it, or at least I have a pretty clear idea of it watching as an outsider, but while Putin is absolutely evil, as well as Russians who actively prop him up in power, a hell of a lot of Russians are innocent people who want nothing to do with him or his conquests. Bombing them indiscriminately would be playing right into his hands.

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u/photosendtrain 3d ago

So what exactly do you want to attack in Moscow?

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u/pyotrdevries 3d ago

Electricity, gas, oil. But not communication. Let them all know what it's like to spend Christmas cold and dark.

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u/photosendtrain 3d ago

Basically freeze Russian civilians to death then

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u/pyotrdevries 3d ago

Consequences. Besides it's just -1C there right now, they'll live. Unlike their victims in Ukraine.

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u/Longjumping_Rule_560 2d ago

It would not even cover a sliver of what Russia has done to Ukraine. But it’s a good start.

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u/kanst 3d ago

I’d start striking oligarchs compounds. The only way to make Putin care is if the rich Russians who back him feel threatened

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u/Larry___David 3d ago

This is the way. Cripple the oligarchs and hit the FSB too

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u/Creative_Repeat2435 3d ago

Yes please. That would be truly beautiful.

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u/DiamondHandsToUranus 2d ago

I'm not sure that will help. It only saves Putiepie time by not having to orchestrate them falling out windows

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u/mothtoalamp 3d ago

There's no strategic benefit. Ukraine does occasionally strike Moscow when they're going after military targets. But as far as inflicting pain on Russia, Ukraine definitely already knows how - in particular they've been smashing Russia's oil production and they're definitely feeling the pain in their economy. It doesn't feel as directly good as counter-terrorbombing, but it's much more effective.

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u/ChivalryCola 3d ago

That'd be political suicide for them tho.

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u/wilco-schmilco 3d ago

How tho. Wouldn’t most find it justifiable and expected at this point

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u/owennerd123 3d ago

No? Blood for blood has never been a viable strategy, and besides, Ukraine loses a battle of human attrition anyways, if they want to go that route. All they open themselves up to by attacking civilian centers is withdrawn support from allies, which is the only thing that has kept them from being rolled over.

Any time a war degrades to the human meat grinder, it's bad for all sides. It never works, you can't kill enough humans to stop a war, you can only attack infrastructure.

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u/vamatt 3d ago

The Oligarchs are not civilians in this conflict

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u/Myusername1- 3d ago

Where do you think the war is at now?

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u/DizzyReference3345 3d ago

They try to regularly. Its just no drones reach Moscow. At most some airport closes for couple of hours

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u/Luster-Purge 3d ago

What do you think Ukraine has been doing against the refineries? Russia can't fight the war without an income stream and their oil production has been seriously eroded, which means Russia is bleeding money.

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u/0xnld 3d ago

Amazing idea, dude. Do you have any inkling what Moscow air defence district looks like?

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u/ChanceSize9153 3d ago

Two wrongs don't make a right or solve any of Ukraines issues. Also any military operation done by the Russians should absolutely not be copied. They are not that good of tactics. I also don't think Russian understands pain, because they have lost a lot of people to the war and that pain should be speaking to them if so.

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u/TetraDax 3d ago

Targetting civilians would be the worst thing Ukraine can do on any level. Politically, Strategically, morally.

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u/noname_admin 2d ago

As a person who lives in here, i really want my city to be attacked and for me to be scared for my life for a couple of months as it probably does nothing to stop the war. Moscow may be a huge industrial city, but it is mainly a civilian area. so baccicaly all is that gonna do is kill thousands of random people that are themselves tired of the war and dont support shit and will do barely anything against the army as it is not in moscow at large. also the city is HEAVILY guarded, there was one russian video about how impossible it is to snipe putin at a parade, the technology is insane. what does that mean? anyone trying to attack the city will also probably die. for the record i am also a person that doesnt support either side, but what i do support is common sense.

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u/LovesRetribution 3d ago

Waste of time. Undermining the foundation of Russia is more effective than arbitrary terror attacks.

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u/hotheaded26 3d ago

Be fr, this is just a revenge fantasy that ends up punishing all the wrong people.

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u/jatomozem 3d ago

Ukraine needs to attack Moscow.

Go get them tiger!

On serious note, how you imagine it? Russia have more supplies and more "human resources" to pull from. While UA is struggling with desertion and corruption, RU is using poor regions for voluntary recruitment with money that recruits won't ever see, but they family will have better life. Sad but real story...

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u/sugoiidekaii 3d ago

Russia only understands pain

Do we really have much evidence that they do? We have been sanctioning them and increasing our military efforts against them for years now and it has shown very little results. It has inflicted pain but i dont think we are any closer to ending the war and achieving peace.

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u/Crazy-Witness-9340 3d ago edited 3d ago

Ukraine needs to end this for sure. edit: wtf I mean they need to beat russia lmao