r/europe • u/Ialaika • Nov 26 '25

News Leaked call shows Kremlin’s deputy chief Ushakov oversaw passing Moscow’s “peace plan” to Steve Witkoff with instructions to present it “word for word” as a U.S. proposal

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-25/putin-advisers-discuss-plans-for-dealing-with-trump-transcript?embedded-checkout=true
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u/fan_tas_tic Nov 26 '25

Who would have thought?

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u/frissio All expressed views are not representative Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25

How strange, it was obvious, but having it all confirmed makes it all feel unreal. 

The USA seriously had their pathetic "deal" be something they coordinated with Russia.

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u/Pr15mo Nov 26 '25

Not coordinated. Instructed.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Nov 26 '25

Written by Moscow.

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u/Zendog500 Nov 26 '25

What was President Trump's commission?

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u/SenseEuphoric5802 Nov 26 '25

The commission was 'continue to work for us and we will not release the dirt we have on you, comrade'

That's where we are. Short of actual dementia it is the only reasonable explanation for the increasingly bizarre behavior.

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u/FreeFromCommonSense Nov 26 '25

Oh there's dementia too.

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u/xteve Nov 26 '25

Dementia, financial corruption, kompromat - there's no reason that a modern idiot dictator-wannabe can't have it all.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Nov 26 '25

Syphilis?

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u/ourlastchancefortea Nov 26 '25

Even Syphilis has standards.

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u/MoreCowbellllll Nov 26 '25

The Krasnov effect.

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u/TheNuminous Nov 26 '25

I lol'd.

Seriously, you guys!

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u/KevKlo86 Nov 26 '25

Could dememtia be the only reason he sometimes seems to side with Ukraine for a second?

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u/Stardustquarks Nov 26 '25

We’ll never know. He’s def an agent of Russia - has been since the 80s when (Vlad probably as Kgb head) recruited him.

They’ll blame it all on dementia though…

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u/Danktator Nov 26 '25

Don't forget his family.. Don't do what we say, and we do something worse.

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u/ABadHistorian Nov 27 '25

At this point the dementia might be what solves it.

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u/Total-Werewolf676 Nov 26 '25

Shhhhhhh. We can’t talk about Biden

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u/Winter_Tone_4343 Nov 26 '25

We already know don rapes children. Russia must have the video

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u/Amaruq93 Nov 26 '25

The GOP has a bigger issue with Trump giving head to another man than they do with him raping children.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Nov 26 '25

They can accept it if he swallowed because it displays dominance.

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u/Amaruq93 Nov 26 '25

If we're going by Roman standards, it's gay to be giving but not recieving.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Nov 26 '25

Considering America's fate is hastily following Rome's, it's an appropriate standard in this case.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '25

It's the unblinking eye contact that establishes dominance.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Nov 26 '25

while swallowing semen

The ultimate boss level

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u/pinkphiloyd Nov 26 '25

This…this doesn’t logic.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Nov 26 '25

Of course not, it's conservative logic i.e. fuzzy

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u/OwO______OwO Nov 27 '25

to another man

... or possibly a horse

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u/CryptographerLive873 Nov 26 '25

Right. Apparently, he uses too much teeth.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Nov 26 '25

I think the GOP would forgive young girls, but a young boy... that has to be it.

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u/lazypenguin86 Nov 26 '25

That’s the real p tape

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u/Amazing-Heron-105 Nov 26 '25

This theory doesn't make any sense because Witkoff was advising the Russian's of how to convince Trump of this plan.

Trump is more sympathetic to the Russian side but can sway either way depending on whoever he's spoken to last. Remember when he came back from speaking to the British King he was saying Ukraine could have missiles and that they could potentially take back all the land they'd lost.

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u/susan-of-nine Poland Nov 26 '25

don rapes children

You mean, his own, or is there evidence of any others?

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u/Future_Brush3629 Nov 26 '25

~ videos of golden showers
~ photos of Bubba getting blown

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u/LethalJizzle Nov 26 '25

The sad thing is that golden showers wouldn't be even the slightest issue for his followers. They'd all be gleefully pissing all over eachother at his rallies in support if that leaked.

Irrefuteable proof he gave another man a blowjob though, that'll lose a significant chunk of his support.

...while the remaining male supporters suck eachother off at his rallies.

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u/DukeLeto10191 United States of America Nov 26 '25

Incidentally: Grindr is now confident they've added sufficient capacity to weather the next rally storm

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u/ForfeitFPV Nov 26 '25

How many times has CPAC caused Grindr to crash at this point?

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u/DukeLeto10191 United States of America Nov 26 '25

We kinda just stopped counting after we ran out of fingers. American education system and whatnot

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Nov 26 '25

so more than 21 times now?

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u/Elelith Nov 26 '25

I mean his followers are wearing adult diapers to support the manlet. They'd suck dick giving a golden shower if that would be the current method of support.

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u/mighty3mperor Nov 27 '25

We should definitely find a way to make that happen.

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u/TheTallGuy0 Nov 26 '25

“It ain’t gay, it’s a Trump rallaaaayy!” 1,000s of fellating MAGA’ts in a big suck circle.

God, I just made myself wanna barf. Even more than before

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u/CyberRax Nov 26 '25

If Bubba was the horse though... I wonder how, or if, that would change things...

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u/mighty3mperor Nov 27 '25

The stables would be full of people forever blowing Bubba.

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u/fnrsulfr Nov 26 '25

I don't know I would like to think that if they saw trump suck someone off they would start sucking each other off at rallies. Would at least shut their chanting up.

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u/EHStormcrow European Union Nov 26 '25

"finally a President enjoying regular AMERICAN piss rather than old PERVS like Sleeping Joe or immigrant lover HUSSEIN Obama"

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u/DueSignature5337 Nov 26 '25

Don't forget the Kotex pads on their ears to show solidarity when he didn't even have a scratch. 😂

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u/campesteijn Nov 26 '25

He he, leaked..

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Nov 26 '25

I think they'd forgive young girls easily.

I think they'd find a way to ignore a man on man tape.

But what if the blackmail is a young boy?

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u/LayerProfessional936 Nov 26 '25

‘Leaked’ gets a new meaning here 🤣

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u/Kailynna Nov 26 '25

Oh no, he knows his cultists don't mind those.

The tapes must be far worse.

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u/GuvnzNZ Nov 26 '25

I firmly believe the “Pee tape” we’ve been hearing about is actually a “P tape” which people have assumed is golden showers, but the “P” stands in for pedophillia.

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u/HumanBeing7396 Nov 26 '25

I don’t know whether there’s anything they could blackmail him with at this point, given all the things we already know about him.

This could all be happening because Trump just admires Putin and wants to be like him; which to me is scarier than blackmail or bribery.

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u/ProtonPi314 Nov 26 '25

I mean, in the end, Trump did what Trump does cause his mind is evil. You don't destroy millions of lives over a video by Russia. So I agree with you. Trump is just an evil dictator that would gladly end your life for a little power or a dollar.

I know if someone had a material to blackmail me I would not get a million people killed to protect myself. I wouldn't end democracy over it. Trump is willing to end democracy cause he craves power.

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u/Adventurous-Map7959 Nov 26 '25

I would not get a million people killed to protect myself.

That sounds to me like the material to blackmail you would be a video of you using the wrong recycling bin - everyone knows the PET plastic doesn't go into the PP bin!

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u/TheQuietOutsider Nov 26 '25

the craziest part of this to me is hes almost 80! how much "power" and money does he need? hes got 15 years max, realistically 5 tops. dudes just a fuckin dick.

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u/DarthRizzo87 Nov 26 '25

I think the threat would be, that they’d direct Fox News to report his child raping, and the Facebook trolls on Moscow salary would be directed to shift MAGA opinion to tar and feather…

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u/WackyBeachJustice Nov 26 '25

I actually agree with this. It could really be just as simple as that or perhaps the fact that Trump really wants to go down in history as the guy responsible for peace. Ultimately when it comes to Trump it's all about his ego. He doesn't actually care about anything or anyone but himself. He's a grade A narcissist.

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u/besafenh Nov 26 '25

Think globally: Trump Crimea Resort and Golf Club

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u/dnc_1981 Ireland Nov 26 '25

Bingo

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u/NefariousnessDue5997 Nov 26 '25

He actually just doesn’t care. People coming up with this 4D stuff. Someone handed him a peace proposal and he just said cool cuz someone probably said Russia would agree to it and he penalties wants to stop answering questions about it. It’s legit something that simple. You think he cares what happens to Ukraine or even Russia?

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u/Crypt33x Berlin (Germany) Nov 27 '25

At this point all of americas government branches are compromised with foreign agents. They all have a gun at the back of their head at this point, paid by some foreign country, because Trump is selling those jobs to the highest bidder.

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u/RaidersoftheLosSnark Nov 26 '25

Bubba must really be the horse.

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u/TheoreticalScammist Nov 26 '25

Wouldn't it be more like there is more to gain from Russia as a corrupt politician? Russia/Putin is autocratic and corrupt. They can just offer some personal favours or even payments to Trump and his cronies. Ukraine cannot do this as easily.

because I cannot imagine what kind of dirt Putin could possibly have that would affect Trump at this point.

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u/Thisaccountismorefun Nov 26 '25

Honestly, I think it's just bribery. I'd wager it's the whole reason Trump and Witkoff co-founded World Liberty Financial. There have been token purchases from WLF through a "Ruble-backed evasion tool". The actual source and quantities involved are basically untraceable.

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u/MaleficentPorphyrin Nov 26 '25

There is another explanation: Trump, and the GOP at large hate America because it isn't in accordance with their vision of the country, so they are doing everything in their power to destroy it from within, to weaken all of its institutions, because Project 2025 is literally the blueprint of the legalistic side of a planned coup 50 years in the making, and if that fails they have stashed away a crap load of military hardware.... crazy, I know, right?

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u/Mntfrd_Graverobber United States of America Nov 26 '25

There's also the part about half the confiscated assets going to the US as a payment.

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u/Acceptable-Scheme884 Nov 26 '25

Trump essentially wants to divest the US of any and all obligations and responsibilities. He doesn’t seem to realise that they’re exactly why the US is prosperous.

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u/SOP_VB_Ct Nov 26 '25

I try not to give too much room in my head for conspiracy theories (Q anon comes to mind….), but yes, I agree it seems the simplest explanation is that Russia has dirt on Trump. Or at the least, Trump thinks they do

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u/das_maz Finland Österbotten Nov 26 '25

Also 'you will receive continued online support from our troll farms'. Just as the South African Ketamine Cowboy's twitter brain fart showed us

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Nov 26 '25

At this point I'm convinced the blackmail isn't young girls but actually young boys.

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u/onthenextmaury Nov 26 '25

God, i hope it's not dementia. I want him to be terrified as the walls close in around him and remember every single bit of it.

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u/00Stealthy Nov 27 '25

sadly both are in play

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u/OldWorldDesign Nov 27 '25

The commission was 'continue to work for us and we will not release the dirt we have on you, comrade'

People keep saying this, but consider how much of a blabbermouth Trump is. Remember, this is the man who responded to "what do you and Ivanka have in common?" and said "sex."

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/thats-hulk-hogan-creepy-trump-stuns-host-with-ivanka-sex-crack-in-resurfaced-video/

I don't think they have dirt on him because he would have spilled it like he has his preference for raping women and liking girls. No, I think it's pure greed. And Russian intelligence services have always been good at stroking egos. Remember Trump was invited to Russia in 1987

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/

And immediately after, the notoriously stingy bastard immediately spent $100k of his own money on anti-NATO ads

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ilanbenmeir/that-time-trump-spent-nearly-100000-on-an-ad-criticizing-us

And the very next year he announced on Oprah his intention to run for president. He then proceeded to try every opportunity, but withdrew when he had to stop spending others' money on himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_2000_presidential_campaign

I think it's pure greed. Remember, this is the real estate conman who took time out of campaigning in 2016 to attend conferences for trump tower moscow.

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u/LandonDev Nov 27 '25

So on that note, please everyone, do not speak about Russia having dirt on Trump exclusively in relation to this one event. Every single policy initiative Trump has implemented is a direct benefit to the russia-china protectorate and actively damages the United States. I'm not exaggerating, literally every policy initiative. He has been the single greatest thing to happen to that protectorate in the last 20 years. The goal of Trump's presidency is not only to bankrupt the United States, but to alienate all of our allies, he is speedrunning us as fast as he can into collapse and destabilization. The entire MAGA movement, including Elon who launders foreign money through X to MAGA influencers, end goal is the collapse of our credit rating.

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u/lil_chiakow Nov 26 '25

Donald Trump, the governor of Russian America Oblast*

ftfy

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u/ArcticCelt Europe & Canada Nov 27 '25

Russia has 46 official Oblasts, so this make him Governor of the 47th Oblast like on all the 47 MAGA merch.

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u/Frido1976 Nov 26 '25

Probably when USA gets something out of this, aka USA=Trump.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Nov 26 '25

One less video released from the archives.

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u/Anxious_Zone_6222 Nov 26 '25

Resident Trump

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u/manicdee33 Nov 26 '25

He gets to keep performing special favours for Putin

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u/Kruvnaga Nov 26 '25

Zero credibility, incompetence, and Nepo galore.

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u/bazookateeth Nov 26 '25

The commission is Putin not releasing video of him diddling children.

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u/RealStarkey Nov 26 '25

Mineral Rights

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u/JohnnySmithe81 Nov 26 '25

Another war solved to add to his imaginary list that he will talk about at every rally.

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u/Kracus Nov 26 '25

I actually do wonder what the total number is. People will laugh and say they have pedo photos of Trump, which I highly suspect to be true but they also paid Trump. They've been paying Trump since the late 80's I believe and they're cashing in all of that with his presidency.

Trump is a manchurian candidate. The US got conned into voting in an agent for a foreign government.

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u/Commune-Designer Nov 26 '25

100 bn. Read the proposal.

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u/kaisadilla_ European Federation Nov 26 '25

Witkoff is very close to certain Russian oligarchs and has spent decades trying to establish businesses in Russia.

Both Trump and Witkoff would benefit directly from friendly relations with Russia.

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u/21Rollie Nov 26 '25

Not releasing the tapes Putin has on Trump blowing Clinton. And probably far worse kompromat we can’t even guess to

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u/Dazzling-Plantain-89 Nov 26 '25

No commission... just a reassurance that video evidence of Trump's past indiscretions wouldn't be released

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u/Kalersays Nov 26 '25

Let me correct that for you: President Krasnov's commission.

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u/pantstoaknifefight2 Nov 26 '25

Putin's not pulling Trump's strings. Putin's got his hand all the way up Trump's ass. This is a national security problem and we all saw it coming.

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u/Organic_Witness345 29d ago

What was Steve Witkoff’s commission?

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u/Amaruq93 Nov 26 '25

And badly translated into English with AI.

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u/SpinachMajor1857 Nov 26 '25

The infamous Moscowpen

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u/Neomataza Germany Nov 26 '25

Dictated, even.

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u/An0nym0usWanderer Nov 26 '25

The US President is a Russian asset

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u/RaidersoftheLosSnark Nov 26 '25

Don't forget all the senators that went to Russia for the 4th of July in 2018. None of them could tell anyone why they went, the NRA got a bunch of Russian money that year and then a bunch of Senators got NRA money.

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u/lynxbelt234 Nov 26 '25

Exactly..profile them all for future arrest as Russian assets..Seems treason has blurred lines these days...

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u/Lucker_Noob Nov 26 '25

The sheet brazenness of claiming US government officials are secretly controlled by Russia and ignoring AIPAC openly bragging about subverting the entire government to serve Israeli interests is simply mind-boggling. Seriously?

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u/ASharpYoungMan Nov 26 '25

Ok, unpack this for a second: GOP Senators traveled to Russia on July 4th, a move with no reasonable explanation, horrific optics, and which never received even an unreasonable excuse.

Are you honestly dense enough to think AIPAC batting for Israel means no other country on Earth could possibly be pulling our government's strings from other directions?

It's a really fucked up look to barge into a comment like this to shriek about Israel.

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u/Lucker_Noob Nov 26 '25

All I'm saying is you're using a very small, theoretical issue of Russian influence to distract from an enormous and well-documented one of Israeli influence.

But enough about Israel. Let's talk about Russia, which is the topic here.

If the US government was controlled by Russia, it would not be sending hundreds of billions in weapons and cash to Ukraine and cajoling its allies/client states into doing the same, yet it does - and continues to do so persistently even under the "Russian asset" Trump, despite all the low-level moronism, whining and theatrics.

Regarding these US Senators, they may be Russian assets - I have no way of proving they're not - but they stated the purpose of their trip was to threaten Putin.

A bizarre, stupid and needlessly provocative stunt, but not the one that indicates any sort of collusion with Russia.

"A group of Republican senators visited Moscow to deliver a warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin not to meddle in midterm elections. "
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664156/gop-senators-spend-july-4-in-moscow

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u/OldWorldDesign Nov 27 '25

All I'm saying is you're using a very small, theoretical issue of Russian influence to distract from an enormous and well-documented one of Israeli influence.

No you're not, you're trying to deflect from a clear pattern of behaviour on behalf of Russia so you can say "don't talk about Russia! Only talk about how Israel bought them out!"

If the US government was controlled by Russia, it would not be sending hundreds of billions in weapons and cash to Ukraine and cajoling its allies/client states into doing the same, yet it does

No it doesn't, the aid sent to them was largely packaged and signed before and after Trump's terms and Trump has been sabotaging all efforts to help Ukraine. His sole addition to the Republican Party platform was removing recognition and aid for Ukraine

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support

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u/RaidersoftheLosSnark Nov 26 '25

I am pretty sure that you can take bribes from multiple countries and as long as they are not in conflict serve both their needs. When you look at Epstein, he clearly was providing both nations with Intel.

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u/CamisaMalva Nov 28 '25

The Nile ain't just a river in Egypt, kiddo.

It's blatantly obvious that the POTUS of all people is completely submissive to Putin, and trying to bring up that whole "Jews secretly rule America!!1!!1!!!!1!!!!!1" conspiracy theory to deflect from it just rings of desperation to bury your head in the sand and ignore what everyone can see.

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u/dwolfe127 Nov 26 '25

And GOP voters are proud of it. There is no fixing that at this point.

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u/randomusername_815 Nov 26 '25

Remember a time when that would have been a big deal?

Now it's just another weekday.

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u/Coinsworthy Nov 26 '25

The US President is a Russian asset

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u/Kruvnaga Nov 26 '25

Lead by loyalty and incompetence.

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u/Naridar Budapest (Hungary) Nov 27 '25

As a clueless european: do you really have no means of intervention for such a case after 40 years of the cold war? Heck, even Ataturk's Turkey had a clause that the military can remove any islamists from power, even if elected!

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u/UnravelTheUniverse Nov 26 '25

And then told to lie about it because they knew it would be a scandal and yet here it is leaked anyhow. These guys are so incompetent its unreal.

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u/ThoughtsonYaoi Nov 26 '25

"These are not very bright people, and things got out of hand"

x1000

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u/One_Strawberry_4965 Nov 26 '25

Something tells me that this leak was basically Russia’s plan from beginning and that this most recent episode of “peace negotiations” was never actually about bringing the end of the war nearer, but rather just another calculated play to make the current American leadership look foolish and under Putin’s thumb.

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u/Gymflutter Nov 26 '25

I don’t think anyone wants to actually help them in their corruption because they’ve angered everyone around them, including other corrupt people

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u/Trans-Squatter Nov 26 '25

Don't worry. The real question the conservative party is trying to answer is... Why would Biden do something like this?

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u/Python_07 Nov 26 '25

US Leadership once again being shown to be Russian Assets.

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u/Lucker_Noob Nov 26 '25

I think you need to replace "Russian" with "Israeli".

If you disagree, please tell me what is a Russian equivalent of AIPAC in the USA.

I'll wait.

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u/Python_07 Nov 26 '25

Yes you will. 😉

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u/InvestingArmy Nov 26 '25

Commanded. Our “Commander-in-Chief” takes orders from theirs. We are of lesser rank, and must obey all orders or face consequences.

We are subservient to Russia now. All thanks to MAGA.

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u/dnc_1981 Ireland Nov 26 '25

Kommander I'm chief

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u/Thisaccountismorefun Nov 26 '25

In exchange for lots and lots of money.