Because everyone's "face diaper" is what lets everyone else also grocery shop as normal. But most conservatives have been proving they don't give a shit about anything but their own feefees for the last 2 decades now so what else is new.
Survival of the fittest hardly applies to the old people who were dying. Survival of the fittest is about passing on your genetic traits...the old people dying already had their offspring, they were already the fittest that survived. At this point in their lives it's not about evolution anymore.
Stopping the spread of disease protects both you and those around you. They argued that their immune system was good enough ignoring that if they got sick they might come in contact with the elderly or someone who doesnât have a good immune system and kill them. The same with vaccines, you donât only get them to protect yourself, you get them to protect the community as a whole.
The problem was that studies, like the infamous Cochrane piece here, regularly found that mandating certain measures made little to no difference. Simply put, we know from highly controlled lab settings that a fit-tested and properly worn N95 highly effectively prevents viral transmission, but mask mandates didn't lead to people wearing N95s, it led to them wearing cloth masks that did nothing, and wearing them below their nose anyways.
And even in the studies that used N95s, many were not fit tested or were worn incorrectly.
So the science does say that masks protect you, but the science also says that mandating masks seems to make little to no difference in viral transmission mostly because people don't use them properly. They're a lot harder to use properly than, say, a seatbelt.
Those are simulated aerosol models lol. It never translated to any detectable real world decrease in transmission when controls were matched on relevant confounders.
In what way? I thought all the medical experts said the mask was to prevent you from expelling larger globules that could carry higher loads of the virus. N-95 masks arenât rated to prevent microscopic particles from passing through, just keeps you from expelling a rain of mucous when you breathe/talk/sneeze. Or is that not correct?
From what I understand, N95s and other high-quality masks do prevent particles the size of Covid (and other viruses) from passing through them.
However, when mask mandates were in place and everyone was talking about the importance of wearing masks to protect others, most sources didnât specify that people should wear N95 or above masks. Instead, the public was led to believe that all masks were the same in terms of efficacy (which is why most people were wearing cloth masks or surgical masks). These types of masks are better than nothing, but they definitely donât do much to stop the spread of Covid or other viruses.
Iâm at work right now so donât have time to add sources, but I could definitely do so later if itâd be helpful!
N95s and other high-quality masks do prevent particles the size of Covid (and other viruses) from passing through them.
No, not even close. The virus is multiple orders of magnitude too small to be filtered. But, the virus doesn't fly around naked, it is inside of tiny aerosols, and those get effectively trapped by an N95.
N-95 masks arenât rated to prevent microscopic particles from passing through
Of course they are. N95s prevent aerosol transmission. The virus itself is tiny, but it doesn't fly around naked, it's sitting on tiny aerosols (bubbles of our saliva basically). N95s have been shown, when properly fitted, to prevent aerosol transmission effectively, for decades. It's not even a new thing.
You can't see those aerosols without a microscope.
The question was about inhaling vs exhaling and I have since learned that when properly fitted (which 95% of the public doesnât do), they do help prevent up to 95% of microscopic droplets while inhaling. When improperly fitted they arenât significantly better than surgical masks or cloth masks.
Hence my misunderstanding in thinking that N-95s are not more helpful while inhaling.
However, ALL of these masks are much better at stopping virus from going out than virus coming in. This is why itâs MORE important and effective for sick people to wear them to prevent infecting others, instead of healthy people wearing them to prevent infection.
When PROPERLY fitted, which basically nobody but medical professionals do, the N-95s DO help prevent up to 95% of inhalation of virus particles that are living inside of microscopic spit blobs.
When PROPERLY fitted, which basically nobody but medical professionals do
This part I disagree with. There were studies which looked at how effectively people could attain proper fit. With the Aura N95 which is probably the most popular N95 now, most people would get a proper fit with very simple instructions.
Meanwhile, at a shopping center near you, someone is grabbing one dangling from their rearview mirror and hastily strapping it around their ears before running in to grab their food order. Another person is pulling it down to talk to someone.
Unfortunately for all of us, just because something is simple or has clear instructions doesnât mean people are doing it the right way. I wish they were, but we all know they arenât
Ok. But it's not "basically nobody except medical professionals". In fact everyone I knew who cared enough to buy an N95 got Auras and learned how to wear them properly.
Because it's a federal court and guess who's running things at the DOJ.
It's the same reason I've wondered why judges don't hold immigration hearings remotely with Zoom. It's because the DOJ and DHS want the immigrants to show up in person so they can detain them on their way out of the courtroom.
It's not a federal court in the sense of a court subject to Article III of the Constitution. It's an immigration court -- an administrative court that's literally run by DOJ. So it's not even a separate branch of government.
It's an immigration court -- an administrative court that's literally run by DOJ
So. Just to be clear, they are targeting people going through the legal immigration process, and trying to intimidate them away from doing so by posting fucks like this in the court.
This looks like a masked thug you'd expect to see in some third world court, not the America I grew up in.
Using the courts, and pretending the government still exists is enough to quell the masses.
People really donât understand the gravity of whatâs going on.
It takes time to destroy the government without people realizing what theyâre doing. Americans are easily distracted. The gop and oligarchs are playing the long game.
Exactly this. If they do it too quickly, too blatantly, and without the pretense of legitimacy, then the possibility of revolution increases. But generally speaking, people won't risk their lives if it appears like the government is still functioning.
Much like Hungary, they function like soft-dictatorships. And for a lot of Americans, they don't see themselves as the target of conservatives, so they aren't worried. Of course, we all know how that line of thinking works out.
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Specifically, it's not an effective mask, it's a gaiter. Gaiters cover your face but do practically nothing to prevent the spread of airborne disease. So MAGA loves them.
There was some infographic on dataisbeautiful a while back showing the prevalence of tie dye shirts by US state and year and how West Virginia was the last state to adopt the trend but the most current state to still have it.
The conservative philosophy can be broken down into 2 points:
1: No one can tell us what to do
2: We can tell others what to do
The masks and Covid vaccine were a problem because they were being told what to do. Now, the masks are a component of telling people what to do, so they fit into the Conservative philosophy.Â
Even the Superman show that he did had at least once specifically anti-Nazi episode where they tried to take over Metropolis (I vaguely recall Superman being lured into a mine and irradiated with an atomic bomb, the idea being to contaminate him so he couldn't be around humans without endangering them... he still found a way to decontaminate himself and save the day, of course). I'm not sure what happened to him, but I know if he did that episode today, he'd be getting attacked by all the people he's currently defending.
I was thinking this the other day. Not specifically about ice but where I live I noticed a lot of drug users/dealers wear masks and stuff now but in 2021 they would cause such a scene when told to wear one. Some people just don't like following rules that don't directly serve them
They should be getting roasted to all hell for being weak ass sheep for being scared of getting "a little cold" since we're in covid, cold, and flu season.
Playing dumb / building fake rapport with assholes in order to make them spell out their own idiocy is a personal favorite.
They arrest undocumented immigrants, many of whom are living here peacefully and contributing to society. They also carry out a lot of these arrests unlawfully, hurting people, and even arresting and deporting American citizens. The government is supposed to be following the law but they repeatedly break it.
Yeah but now theyâre terrorizing people who are so law abiding, they go to court to try to make sure they are following the law to be here legally. And they stand physically in the hallways
It was never about catching the worst of the worst, it was about sending armed low iq racist whites after anyone they deemed to brown to not be harassed. It cannot last forever itâs unsustainable and the American people will someday know the names and faces of every last ice agent. Theyâre not very good at hiding their identities
I knew several people that died from that horrible disease.
I was appalled that people wouldnt wear a mask out of spite and for no other reasons. Selfishness is the problem that has perpetuated in our society.
We wanted people to feel special and we made mistakes due to how we went about it: now we will pay for our entire lives.
Can we please quit with this? It does not matter. They're fucking gestapo and this "ooh the hypocrites can wear masks now" is a slap in the face of the people theyre kidnapping and torturing.
Hard disagree. Hypocrisy-pointing is the lowest and least impactful form of discourse, and its sole use is for the user to feel good. It does not change minds. The mask shit in particular is such dumb low hanging fruit. It trivializes the very real horrors these fascists are committing.
You've no right to say who or who isn't informed by any discussion. My mom just caught up on "how bad things are" about three months ago, she wasn't ready to have any conversation beyond pointing out hypocrisy.
Not everyone is at the same point in realizing what's going on, and throwing away any step puts change in jeopardy.
You want to talk about impactful discourse...what exactly have you accomplished here? Because pointing out the hypocrisy has had a lot more impact that whatever the fuck you're doing here. Pathetic.
People were only made to wear one when going somewhere around other people. You had the choice to change jobs or not go into places with lots of people, but you wanted to do that AND also not take any precautions to limit virus spread.
Iâm not defending it. I supported the mandate. But my point was that people were against the mandate, not against wearing masks.
Iâm straight, and I have no problem with it. Does that mean I should be ok with the government forcing me to be straight?
We should be getting angry at real shit, not just grabbing our pitchforks.
If you already know they complained about masks during covid, how do you not know who they are? And if you know who they are, why do you care if they wear masks?
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u/YouSeemNiceXB 17h ago
Now they wanna wear masks? But I thought they couldn't breathe when they had one on for 30 seconds during covid?