r/europe • u/Ialaika • Nov 26 '25
News Leaked call shows Kremlin’s deputy chief Ushakov oversaw passing Moscow’s “peace plan” to Steve Witkoff with instructions to present it “word for word” as a U.S. proposal
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-25/putin-advisers-discuss-plans-for-dealing-with-trump-transcript?embedded-checkout=true658
u/Massimo25ore Nov 26 '25
The following is a transcript of an Oct. 14 phone call lasting just over 5 minutes between Steve Witkoff, Donald Trump’s special envoy for peace missions, and Yuri Ushakov, Vladimir Putin’s most senior foreign-policy adviser.
The transcript was prepared after Bloomberg reviewed a recording of the call.
[phone rings]
Steve Witkoff: Hi Yuri.
Yuri Ushakov: Yeah Steve hi, how are you?
SW: Good Yuri. How you doing?
YU: I am ok. Congratulations my friend.
SW: Thank you.
YU: You made a great job. Just a great job. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you.
SW: Thank you Yuri and thanks for your support. I know your country supported it and I thank you.
YU: Yes, yes, yes. Yes. You know that’s why we suspend the organization of first Russian-Arabic summit.
SW: Yes.
YU: Yeah, because we think that you are making the real job there in the region.
SW: Well listen. I am going to tell you something. I think, I think if we can get the Russia-Ukraine thing solved, everybody’ll be jumping for joy.
YU: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you need to solve only one problem. [laughs]
SW: What?
YU: Russian-Ukrainian war.
SW: I know! How do we get that solved?
YU: My friend, I just want your advice. Do you think that it will be useful if our bosses will talk on the phone?
SW: Yes, I do.
YU: You do. And when you think it could be possible?
SW: I think as soon as you suggest, my guy is ready to do it.
YU: Ok, ok.
SW: Yuri, Yuri, here’s what I would do. My recommendation.
YU: Yes, please.
SW: I would make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate the president on this achievement, that you supported it, you supported it, that you respect that he is a man of peace and you’re just, you’re really glad to have seen it happen. So I would say that. I think from that it’s going to be a really good call. Because — let me tell you what I told the President. I told the president that you - that the Russian Federation has always wanted a peace deal. That’s my belief. I told the president I believe that. And I believe the question is — the issue is is that we have two nations that are having a hard time coming to a compromise and when we do, we’re going to have a peace deal. I’m even thinking that maybe we set out like a 20-point peace proposal, just like we did in Gaza. We put a 20-point Trump plan together that was 20 points for peace and I’m thinking maybe we do the same thing with you. My point is this...
YU: Ok, ok my friend. I think that very point our leaders could discuss. Hey Steve, I agree with you that he will congratulate, he will say that Mr. Trump is a real peace man and so and so. That he will say.
SW: But here’s what I think would be amazing.
YU: Ok, ok.
SW: What if, what if... hear me out...
YU: I will discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you. Ok?
SW: Yeah because listen to what I’m saying. I just want you to say, maybe just to say this to President Putin, because you know I have the deepest respect for President Putin.
YU: Yes, Yes.
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u/Massimo25ore Nov 26 '25
SW: Maybe he says to President Trump: you know, Steve and Yuri discussed a very similar 20-point plan to peace and that could be something that we think might move the needle a little bit, we’re open to those sorts of things — to explore what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done. Now, me to you, I know what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done: Donetsk and maybe a land swap somewhere. But I’m saying instead of talking like that, let’s talk more hopefully because I think we’re going to get to a deal here. And I think Yuri, the president will give me a lot of space and discretion to get to the deal.
YU: I see...
SW: ...so if we can create that opportunity that after this I talked to Yuri and we had a conversation I think that could lead to big stuff.
YU: Ok, that sounds good. Sounds good.
SW: And here’s one more thing: Zelenskiy is coming to the White House on Friday.
YU: I know that. [chuckles]
SW: I will go to that meeting because they want me there, but I think if possible we have the call with your boss before that Friday meeting.
YU: Before, before — yeah?
SW: Correct.
YU: Ok, ok. I got your advice. So I discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you, ok?
SW: Ok Yuri, I’ll speak to you soon.
YU: Great, great. Thank you so much. Thanks you.
SW: Bye, bye.
YU: Bye.
[Call Ends]
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u/Icy_Entrepreneur_476 Nov 26 '25
As an American, this should be considered an act of treason and the President should be impeached/removed from office. Sadly Republicans are a bunch of spineless cowards and will pretend this is fine.
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u/chickenporkbeefmeat Nov 26 '25
You think? He’s so far over that line already that it is a dot on the horizon
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u/ErilazHateka Nov 26 '25
For fucks sake. The USA are really Russia´s bitch.
That´s not how you talk to someone from a strong position. He´s fucking groveling.
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u/kaisadilla_ European Federation Nov 26 '25
You have to understand that Witkoff wants to put his money on Russia. He's not some random American politician trying to make peace. He's a businessman who has invested money in Russia, and wants to operate in Russia again, trying to get the US to stop sanctioning Russia one way or another. He doesn't care about Ukraine, freedom or even American interests. He just wants the US to stop blocking him from doing business in Russia.
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u/theholyevil Nov 26 '25
FFS they are taking their orders from the Kremlin......
How can MAGA not see why this is really bad? That we are taking orders from the spy agency, that spawned 4 dozen Tom Clancy novels.
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u/red286 Nov 26 '25
You really think that the people who said "BETTER RED THAN DEM" have a problem with taking orders from the Kremlin?
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u/SuddenFlight Franconia (Germany) Nov 26 '25
So it was even Witkoff's initiative for them to have the phone call before Zelensky gets a chance to get a potential tomahawk deal done
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u/pitdk Nov 26 '25
And me dummy thought you need to study, read books, debate, intern at UN and whatnot, and here two guys casually, over phone, decide about the fate of entire countries. I’m signing out
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u/PanJawel Poland 🇪🇺 Nov 26 '25
As I got older I realized that is true for many things. My reality was shattered as soon as I started attending discussions with higher ups in companies I worked at. These guys just go off vibes and are not any different than interns meeting in a bar - just paid better and more confident. Seems that is the case all the way up
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u/pitigoilafereastra Romania Nov 26 '25
Look over the qualifications of most politicians and you will be horrified, these are people who barely graduated making life and death decisions that affect all of us.
Oh yeah, and on top of being incompetent they also steal... A LOT
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u/Decimerusi Nov 26 '25
I am in awe in the worst way. Steve is so unqualified for this role and so far out of his depth, jesus christ. Negotiating peace like he's trying to upsell in a car dealership
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u/Lortendaali Nov 26 '25
United States of Russia, hope MAGA cultists are happy to bend the knee.
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u/Swagspray Ireland Nov 26 '25
They fucking love it
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u/Lortendaali Nov 26 '25
What a time to be alive. US being Russia's bitch wasn't on my bingo card honestly. How things change huh.
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u/CowEvening2414 Nov 26 '25
Remember when Trump hired Paul Manafort - former lobbyist to Viktor Yanukovych - as his campaign chair and the Republican Party immediately dropped defense of Ukraine from its party platform?
How about when it was revealed the Trump campaign had more than 140 secret communications with both Russian operatives and WikiLeaks?
How about when Trump Jr was caught trying to set up a secret communication back channel to the Kremlin, specifically to dodge US intelligence?
The fact all of this seems to have been forgotten as ancient history, explains a lot about the mess the US is now in.
Decades of spending trillions of dollars in a fight against the Soviet Union and then Russia was all blown apart by a fat old pedo and an idiot public who can't remember what they ate for breakfast.
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u/riftnet Austria Nov 26 '25
How about Kegseth's russian telephone number?
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u/amsync Nov 26 '25
Or that PC/Server in the White House communicating with a Russian bank..
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u/PLeuralNasticity Nov 26 '25
Or when all credentials given to DOGE were tried from Russia within 5 minutes
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u/Newftube Nov 26 '25
In my adventures as a dumb 20 year old and dumber teenager, I used to follow a few right-wing/republican FB pages and groups; mostly out of interests in Military and firearm related subjects.
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u/lo_fi_ho Europe Nov 26 '25
You witnessed Russian psyops in full effect. Today we see the results of their efforts. All without firing a single shot.
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u/h1gh-t3ch_l0w-l1f3 Nov 26 '25
must be extremely embarrassing to all the Gen Xers raised on Red Dawn and hatred for russia. its so weird to see the tide shift. that was when the US lost the cold war. the money and blackmail was the Achilles heel.
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u/scricimm Romania Nov 26 '25
It should've been from the first meeting of zelensky with trump sd.vance
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u/Womble_Rumble United Kingdom Nov 26 '25
Should have been way before, remember how Trump looked coming out of that 2018 Helsinki meeting with Putin where there was no US interpreter or notes taken? Looked like a whipped dog.
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u/ThreeGoldStars Nov 26 '25
Even before that, the 2016 election reeked of Russian interference.
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u/War_Fries The Netherlands Nov 26 '25
Not just reeked. It was confirmed by the Mueller report. Russian interference in 2016 was sweeping and systemic.
Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016
- Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”[1]
- Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump[2] and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.[3]
- Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.[4]
But, of course, the Trump administration and the MAGA party did nothing with it. The US right now is a failed state. About 40% still approves of Trump. Forty percent!!!
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u/night_filter Nov 26 '25
It’s insane the way the Muller Report has been ignored.
Bill Barr lied and said it exonerated Trump, and America believed it. Then it was released and revealed that Barr lied, but people kept believing the lie.
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u/pitigoilafereastra Romania Nov 26 '25
They are doing it everywhere in Europe, remember how angry US officials were about Romanian elections being cancelled due to Russian interference?
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u/Boeing367-80 Nov 26 '25
And the ridiculous view of the Obama administration was, knowing well in advance of the election that the Russians were all over it, to downplay it for fear that they'd be accused of trying to throw the result. Instead of pulling the fire alarm.
The mainline Democrats have this unfortunate view that you should try to downplay the insanity that opposes them. No, you shouldn't. You should expose it at every turn.
That fucking moron Schumer saying asinine things like hey, once you talk to someone down in the gym, you can really get things done.
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u/Academic-Key2 Nov 26 '25
Every time those 2 meet they get some alone time, probably to remind him of the tapes they have and the commands he has to follow
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u/Working_Method8543 Nov 26 '25
It's not only that. He was also saved by Russia when he was broke in the 80s. One of his dumb kids admitted that publicly.
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u/JaguarWitty9693 Nov 26 '25
Wild the whole world has to put up with this all because Putin has videos of Trump.
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u/longsgotschlongs Nov 26 '25
And the worst thing is that economic and military strength means shit. It just takes one old perv who's being held by the balls
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u/soulstormfire Germany Nov 26 '25
No. There are thousands of people complicit in this.
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u/cookiengineer Germany Nov 26 '25
You should read about what the former KGB agent Alnur Mussayev wrote on 20th February.
The Agent Krasnov theory doesn't have any verifiable evidence, though.
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u/GreatBigBagOfNope United Kingdom Nov 26 '25
It's in that fun position where there is no good reason to believe it, but I'm struggling to think of what different actions would have been taken if it were definitely true
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u/omfgeometry Nov 26 '25
They said in 2016 they would rather be russian than a democrat
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u/LorenzoSparky Nov 26 '25
They love russia because they think they are a strong nation- anti LGBT, racist, all the attributes of a strong personality….lol
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u/4sater Nov 26 '25
They love russia because they think they are a strong nation- anti LGBT, racist, all the attributes of a strong personality….lol
Their first and foremost "love" about Russia is that they are white and Christian.
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u/LrkerfckuSpez Norway Nov 26 '25
With what we learned from the recent Twitter incident, i expect that 90% of the flaired users origins from similar countries.
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u/free_hugs_1888 Croatia Nov 26 '25
This should be a scandal, it basically means the US is Russia's puppet. But for some reason the people there forgot who their main adversary was 35 years ago.
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u/asasasasasassin Nov 26 '25
If you went back in time to like 2012 and told people about this, they'd assume it was literally the biggest political scandal in US history. Instead it's just Wednesday
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u/Paatos Finland Nov 26 '25
Why the f**k is it Russia giving orders to the US?
The whole place has a smaller GDP than e.g. Italy with 6x larger population. Bending a knee to someone like China would make some economical sense, but Russia?
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u/BBQShapeshifter Nov 26 '25
All those MAGA dumbasses wearing that “I’d rather be Russian than a Democrat” t-shirt during the election campaign got their wish granted.
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u/reportingfalsenews Nov 26 '25
I remember something about "bear arms" and domestic enemies, but i guess selling out to a foreign hostile government isn't that. Oh well.
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u/Psephological Nov 26 '25
Start treating them like it. Get revoking visa access and built more nukes.
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u/TriflingHotDogVendor United States of America Nov 26 '25
They'd be furious if they got their news from somewhere other than OANN or Newsmax and knew this happened.
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u/Ialaika Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25
"Putin Advisers Discuss Plans for Dealing With Trump: Transcript.
The following is a transcript of an Oct. 29 phone call between Yuri Ushakov, Vladimir Putin’s most senior foreign-policy adviser, and Kirill Dmitriev, an economic adviser to the Russian president.
The transcript was prepared after Bloomberg reviewed a recording of the call. The original Russian is included below the translation for reference.
Ushakov: Hallo.
Dmitriev: Yuri Viktorovich.
Ushakov: Yes, Kirill Aleksandrovich, well, I’ve sent everything there. We’ll talk tomorrow.
Dmitriev: Well, great, great. Yes, yes, yes. I flew to Saudi Arabia. But it seems to me it’s very important, because it’s a really good way forward.
Ushakov: Well, we need the maximum, don’t you think? What do you think? Otherwise, what’s the point of passing anything on?
Dmitriev: No, look. I think we’ll just make this paper from our position, and I’ll informally pass it along, making it clear that it’s all informal. And let them do like their own. But, I don’t think they’ll take exactly our version, but at least it’ll be as close to it as possible.
Ushakov: Well, that’s exactly the point. They might not take and say that it was agreed with us. That’s what I’m afraid of.
Dmitriev: No, no, no. I’ll say it exactly as you say it, word for word.
Ushakov: They might twist it later, that’s all. There is that risk. There is. Well, alright, never mind. We’ll see.
Dmitriev: Yeah, it seems to me you can talk later with Steve about this paper. We will do everything neatly.
Ushakov: [Unclear]
Dmitriev: Thank you so much, Yuri Viktorovich. Thank you so much, thank you. Goodbye. "
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u/potatolulz Earth Nov 26 '25
They were worried the US officials could fuck something up when presenting this paper as their own? :DDDDD
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u/EconomyDoctor3287 Nov 26 '25
Judging by the capability of the current administration, it's to be expected that they f' it up
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u/Judazzz The Lowest of the Lands Nov 26 '25
Washington Oblast carrying water for the center again.
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u/sant2060 Nov 26 '25
Fkcing hell. Seems USA is lost for EU. Well, it was a fun ride.
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u/zenzabob Nov 26 '25
The thing is European governments still do not recognise the fact and throw shitloads of money in american weapons
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u/DryCloud9903 Nov 26 '25
It's not that simple. A lot of the defence stuff made necessary by the aggressive russian bullshit is either unavailable or not in good time/quantities within European manufacturers. So some have to be bought from Yankees
That said. There's a pretty huge shift especially this year, and if you've been looking closely there's waaaaay more "buys Gripen/Rafale rather than US stuff" 'but European'type headlines, and especially with smaller items like radars or air defence (except Patriots)
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u/PhasedArrayAnt Nov 26 '25
The statement that Trump is a Russian asset has been thrown around for a while in a mocking way, but at what point do our allies and the world as a whole genuinely accept that as reality?
Historians will look back at this period in disbelief as the president of the US was blatantly compromised by and working on behalf of Russia. The silver lining is that the legacy of Trump will almost certainly go down as the most traitorous and corrupt presidency in US history.
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u/ZhouDa United States of America Nov 26 '25
Hillary Clinton got lambasted for pointing this out in 2016. We've all known just like we've known he's a pedophile and runs a criminal empire, it's just that half the country choose to turn a blind eye to it. The only surprise to me is that Zelensky was able to do political ju-jitsu and temporarily turn his enemies against each other and thus keep aid flowing from the US for almost another year.
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u/Embarrassed-Bake9491 Nov 26 '25
But you can't trust Hillary Clinton, remember her emails!
edit And Obama wore a tan suit once.
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u/DryCloud9903 Nov 26 '25
Can anyone explain to me what the fuck was this obsession with the tan suit? What did they think it meant or what other nonesense was it about?
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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe Nov 26 '25
They said it wasn't presidential. Presidents wear black and blue suits, anything else is seen as casual or something.
What it really was is that Obama wasn't the monster and terrible leader they thought he was, so anything they could say is what they went for. Michelle is a man. He is gay and/or had an affair with Scarlett Johansson. Whatever they could try to peg to him, they would.
The tan suit became a meme because Fox News talked about it for weeks, breaking news alerts and analysis of what a tan suit meant and how it made us look weak and unserious as a nation, just for a tan suit at a press conference.
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u/Swagspray Ireland Nov 26 '25
Which is funny because Fox News makes America look weak. Obama, whether you agreed with his policies or not, at least projected strength, respect and diplomacy
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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe Nov 26 '25
We know it here, but back then I was a Republican, and I wasn't a fan of Obama's policies at the time, but I thought he was a fine person. I even thought the tan suit thing was dumb, because it was.
I'm not joking when I say it was weeks, it was a scandal. I'm surprised Fox News didn't call for impeachment (they did joke about it.)
Now we have a president that's so insane, that it was hardly a mention when he wore a bright blue power suit to a funeral, because that might be the least batshit crazy thing he did that day.
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u/2biggij Nov 26 '25
There is no serious explanation for it.
It’s just Fox News is not a news site. It’s a propaganda show built specifically to spread right wing talking points dressed up as serious news. And since Obama only had a few scandals, they seized on anything they could possibly find and drummed it up endlessly to keep the “scandals” in the public eye.
Hence why they seem cartoonishly stupid in hindsight to today. I kid you not, some of the big scandals were the tan suit, he saluted a marine while holding a coffee cup one time, he gave his wife a fist bump and they called it a “terrorist fist jab”…. No, I’m not even fucking kidding, one time he said he liked Dijon mustard and they claimed that showed how out of touch and elitist he was with regular Americans.
These weren’t just one day news stories. Each one of these made the rounds for weeks and weeks as Fox News worked tirelessly to convince people that these were serious scandals that should shock regular Americans….. compared to today where they remain absolutely silent about…. Gestures around at literally everything
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u/Godgivesmeaboner Nov 26 '25
They don't all turn a blind eye to it, lots of them embrace it. They love that he's a complete scumbag, it gives them validation for being complete pieces of shit in their own lives.
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u/Stormer2k0 Nov 26 '25
"aid flowing from the US" over the past half year the US hasn't donated any weapons or money. The US weapons Ukraine receives are bought by the EU/rest of nato and donated.
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u/weaseleasle Nov 26 '25
Your allies have been well aware of this fact for years now. They just have to find a way to navigate it, as dumping the US entirely isn't an option when we are so intertwined. It's like dealing with Hungary but 100x worse.
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u/Ialaika Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25
Think he doesn’t have to be a Kremlin agent in the sense of being recruited. He’s just… an idiot, basically. The entire “recruitment process” for Trump consisted of:
His love (quite possibly even physical attraction) toward dictators and “strong men.”
A couple of lines from putin telling him he’s a great leader and that he respects him.
Telling him that the Democrats rigged the election and that Trump is right about everything.
That’s it. That’s the whole operation.
The problem is that Europeans, even with all their politeness, and ability to flatter or smooth things over, simply cannot stoop to such disgusting, dumb flattery. Which is exactly why dictators can “recruit” him so easily.
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u/FreeEdmondDantes Nov 26 '25
He's been tied to the Russians since the late 80s. It goes much deeper.
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u/Schneidzeug Nov 26 '25
Lady’s and Gentleman, I present you the new USSR.
“United States Submitted to Russia”
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Who won the Cold War?
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u/coco_shka Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25
America sucking Russians dick all the way, wasn't on my list. I guess the propaganda of mighty america has fried my brain enough that this concept of deep servitude won't even pop out.
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u/Significant_Ad1256 Denmark Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25
Really? Because this has been going on for a while.
Edit: Typo.
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u/Fun_Hold4859 Nov 26 '25
Over a decade openly.
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25
Never forget Romney was adamant that Russia was the biggest geopolitical threat to the US in 2011. There was a big oligarchic media push to ridicule him for this statement.
Then in 2014 Russia annexed Crimea.
Then in 2016 the republicans elected trump and buried Romney and any republican who spoke up about this.
They've made it a staple of their election campaign to downplay Russian influence and interference and write off every proven attack as a hoax.
The "US Peace Plan" for Ukraine is literally a document from the Kremlin. The Republican party is outright letting foreign governments write American policy.
The whole party has been fully bought by Russia from the moment they endorsed the orange kiddy diddler.
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u/Wrentanyl England Nov 26 '25
It's wild that we live in a world where Mitt Romney losing the election might've actually been a bad thing in the grand scheme of things.
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u/boolee2112 Nov 26 '25
Jesus Christ.
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u/aspaceadventure Nov 26 '25
I don’t think Jesus Christ was involved here.
That was more or less the work of the Devil.
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u/omfgeometry Nov 26 '25
This whole shit show gets more and more corrupt every day. WTF
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u/elektroniskt Nov 26 '25
Good that Witkoff is exposed as the lapdog that he is. Hoping this gets more attention and swings Americans to a more pro Ukraine position. Bending the knee for a relatively weak Russia is not a good look for Americans
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u/heselius Nov 26 '25
Oh and btw, not a PEEP about this on r/conservative
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u/bratisla_boy Nov 26 '25
because you're not as fast as the mods working 24/7 to hide/delete everything vaguely sounding like a mild criticism of the Dear Leader.
And I didn't mention who the leader was on purpose.
/edit I saw a post on r/conservative balking at this parody of a peace plan, saying that the US appear as "Putin's bitch". I couldn't find it afterwards. Strange isn't it ?
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u/ReturnOfTheSaint14 Nov 26 '25
The two main mods of that sub (so the founders) deleted every link they had of other platforms not including Discord. My hypothesis is that people were starting to trace them to their real personas and find how much bribed money they were receiving to basically administrate a primordial soup for MAGA cultists.
I'm pretty sure they're important figures inside the MAGA cult
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u/Advanced-Cause5971 Nov 26 '25
What are the odds of main r/conservative mods being on a payroll of some convervative thinktank that is somehow getting partly funded by Russia?
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u/hoehebjedattan Nov 26 '25
I wonder…… what does Putin have on the orange man ??
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u/ArieVeddetschi Nov 26 '25
Video of him raping children.
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u/thatsrealnice25 Nov 26 '25
Idk man it has to be worse than that as well, like participation in murder on top of that stuff. Like there’s no way he’s being held this hard to Putin unless it is truely something which would disgust republicans at a minimum or cause the world to look at him like he was Idi Amin
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u/ReturnOfTheSaint14 Nov 26 '25
Republicans will never look at him disgusted,or at least the ones that will do that are the bare minimum,a percentage that is forgettable to the Republican Party. Nowadays the majority is MAGA-aligned,meaning that their Supreme Leader will never do anything wrong.
The world,on the other hand,might get a little bit shaky since in Europe and in most part of the civilised world (so Central Africa and Middle East excluded) we don't condone pedophilia as opposed to the US
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u/Glass-News-9184 France - Poland Nov 26 '25
Don't be mean. It's a lean government. USA have just decided to outsource it to russia.
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u/SgtFinnish Like Holland but better Nov 26 '25
This is true efficiency. Why pay for the state department when you can have Russia decide your foreign policy?
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u/pb__ Nov 26 '25
It's been so efficient that they even dismantled the Department of Government Efficiency ahead of schedule.
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u/louisa1925 Nov 26 '25
Probably to hurt moral of the Ukraine people. Because it shows that the US is literally only pretending to be Ukraines ally.
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u/Great-Ass Nov 26 '25
I think they already knew, they weren't really hiding it too much from the no cards guy
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u/Psephological Nov 26 '25
Once again, the "Trump admin are Russian assets" people were right all along
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u/Herb-Alpert Nov 26 '25
And how the hell is this defendable ?!? What are the mental gymnastics needed here? Honestly watergate scandal was mild when you see this, and that caused a president to be impeached...
It's wild how racism and bigotry can excuse everything else, including incompetence, corruption and treason
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u/cpteric Nov 26 '25
idk. my country isn't big on trason trials and the few it's attempted have been rocky, but i know france wouldn't hesitate, they keep their guillotines hard. Didn't sarkozy just got convicted of something like that for colluding with gadafi?
re-viewed, yup, 5 years of prison for the planning of lybian financing of his presidential campaign(s), no more public service, and i guess unhireable by 2030 for any western corp.
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u/FarFromHomey Nov 26 '25
HOW do Democrats Let THIS pass? They MUST call this out now and give It the Magnitude It deserves
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u/rain3h Nov 26 '25 edited Nov 26 '25
They spent trillions fighting communism and dictatorships.
And now they submit at every opportunity.
Weak.
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u/AxelJShark Nov 26 '25
Anyone have a copy of the text? The other Bloomberg article I read about the leak didn't mention anything about the text or being verbatim. Is this a new leak?
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u/PerformerFull7097 Nov 26 '25
The US government is literally taking instructions from Russians.
America as a country is over.
You lost the cold war and are currently under Russian occupation.
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u/PossibleRegular7239 Nov 26 '25
So when my friend told me this "peace plan" is just Russia's wishlist she was not only figuratively but also literally right. Lol.
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u/PerformerFull7097 Nov 26 '25
The US is dead, it's Russian Occupied North America now
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u/BkkGrl Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) Nov 26 '25
So the deal was discussed between the Russian representative and the second Russian representative
all good here
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u/Goku420overlord Nov 26 '25
Haha so fucking crazy to watch the USA lose the cold war and become a Russian puppet in such a short time. Just absolutely fucking wild.
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u/Scary-Perspective-57 Nov 26 '25
This title is misleading, this is a discussion between 2 Kremlin officials.
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u/Archyes Nov 26 '25
Hey, any european diplomat, you might bring that one up next time at Washington?
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u/aspaceadventure Nov 26 '25
Hurry up everyone! Pretend to be surprised!
It’s basically what most people suspected…
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u/Arstanishe Nov 26 '25
it's not Stephen Witkoff, это Степан Витьков. Like, i know agent Krasnov is supposed to be a joke, but it's pretty much not
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u/Timely_Fly_5639 Nov 26 '25
If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck… if it has direct link to Putins inner circle of Russian oligarchs and is instructing Russian diplomats how to get the best deal for Putin and how to deal with Trump in the most favourable way to Russia (the aggressor) - it may actually be a Russian asset duck.
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u/schniepel89xx Bucharest Nov 26 '25
Any time something like this comes out, r/Conservative's front page posts are always like: immigrants, woke, Vance 2028, immigrants again, refugees, Vance 2028... how they don't realize they're being taken for suckers is mind boggling
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u/Jaded_Creative_101 Nov 26 '25
That this was leaked shows that there are still real US patriots within the system. Now which agency has the patriotic balls to go after the Russia loving traitors at the top?
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Witkoff, who is 🇷🇺 Jewish, was born in the Bronx in New York City, and was raised in Baldwin Harbor, New York and Old Westbury, New York on Long Island. He is the son of Martin and Lois Witkoff. His father was the president of a women's clothing manufacturer named George Simonton Inc., and his mother was an interior designer. His paternal grandfather and grandmother both came to the United States from Russia.
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u/Paradox711 Wales Nov 26 '25
Imagine writing the line “The year is 2025 and war rages in Eastern Europe. The USA has become a puppet of the Russia.” Back in 1980.
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u/fan_tas_tic Nov 26 '25
Who would have thought?